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Defence Minister Khawaja Asif has drawn criticism from the PTI over his suggestion that the army appoints its own chief, with Fawad Chaudhry calling him a "danger to Pakistan" and demanding the election of a new government that could make important appointments.

Asif made the suggestion in a Neo TVprogramme, Bolo Talat Hussain Kay Saath on Thursday, when he was responding to a comment about the PTI's and the PML-N's changing stance on army chiefs.

"This controversy should now end," Asif said, as he recalled that he was the defence minister at the time of the appointment of two army chiefs, former chief of army staff retired Gen Raheel Sharif and incumbent army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa.

Both times, he said, Nawaz Sharif was the prime minister had he had no "personal motive" in those appointments.

Before retired Gen Sharif's appointment, Asif continued, he had sought the then-defence secretary's input regarding the selection of the army chief. The defence secretary was a very honourable man and said any person awarded three stars was suitable for the post, Asif added.

"I am telling you all this so as to explain that this is a very transparent process," he said, criticising PTI chief Imran Khan for "questioning" and "casting doubt" on the appointment of the new army chief in November.

"They are trying to pre-empt [the matter, warning] that this may not happen, that may not happen, and if this happens that may happen," he remarked.

He then said, "Why can't there be a system for this (army chief's appointment) to happen within the institution?"

PMLN has brought Boot Polish to a whole new level. In all democratic countries civilians get to choose their own army chief but apparently this shouldn't be allowed anymore after US backed regime change operation in Pakistan...

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Vote ko izzat do ka nara kahan war gaya? Koi is Sialkoti rang baz sa poocha, is ka is bayan sa is ka apna leader ki woh tamaam chawalin jo marta phirta tha dafun ho gai.
 

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Vote ko izzat do ka nara kahan war gaya? Koi is Sialkoti rang baz sa poocha, is ka is bayan sa is ka apna leader ki woh tamaam chawalin jo marta phirta tha dafun ho gai.
Actually pml.n in great mental trouble about appointment of new coas bcz they are used to play with empires of their own choice and any real neutral empire will make or create problems for them as they know what they did with this country when they were in power..no escape door for them if new coas is a real neutral soldier and chief.
 

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Khwaja Asif is a lapdog of the establishment and at the same time spews venom at the establishment.

Depends whether he is in the government.

Also known for begging the establishment when he is losing in elections.

Simply a corrupt thief and a certified Dubai Iqama holder. Anything that comes out of his mouth should not be taken seriously.

The CAOS and ISI chief should be chosen by the PM. That is the only way to create an equilibrium.
 

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Admittedly, the is a long history of the Pak Army interfering in Pakistani politics, but at this juncture PA are acting in line with the Constitution and have decided to stay neutral. Why then politicians intent on dragging the Army into the politics? As if 2014 speech by Nawaz Sharif at Gujranwalla was not enough; Imran khan has called the sitting Arm Chief Mir Jafar!

I have not commented on this earlier because I have been disgusted by the political parties in general and PTI in particular, on calling Pak Army's support to help them retain/ or return to power.
Whatever happened in the past is water under the bridge. I would leave Pak Army out of it and let the politicians fight it out.
 
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You'd need a constitutional amendment for that.
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As if 2014 speech by Nawaz Sharif at Gujranwalla was not enough; Imran khan has called the sitting Arm Chief Mir Jafar!

I have not commented on this earlier because I have been disgusted by the political parties in general and PTI in particular, on calling Pak Army's support to help them retain/ or return to power.
Nobody is calling for army chief's help if he truly is neutral. Circumstances tell he is not
 

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Defence Minister Khawaja Asif has drawn criticism from the PTI over his suggestion that the army appoints its own chief, with Fawad Chaudhry calling him a "danger to Pakistan" and demanding the election of a new government that could make important appointments.

Asif made the suggestion in a Neo TVprogramme, Bolo Talat Hussain Kay Saath on Thursday, when he was responding to a comment about the PTI's and the PML-N's changing stance on army chiefs.

"This controversy should now end," Asif said, as he recalled that he was the defence minister at the time of the appointment of two army chiefs, former chief of army staff retired Gen Raheel Sharif and incumbent army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa.

Both times, he said, Nawaz Sharif was the prime minister had he had no "personal motive" in those appointments.

Before retired Gen Sharif's appointment, Asif continued, he had sought the then-defence secretary's input regarding the selection of the army chief. The defence secretary was a very honourable man and said any person awarded three stars was suitable for the post, Asif added.

"I am telling you all this so as to explain that this is a very transparent process," he said, criticising PTI chief Imran Khan for "questioning" and "casting doubt" on the appointment of the new army chief in November.

"They are trying to pre-empt [the matter, warning] that this may not happen, that may not happen, and if this happens that may happen," he remarked.

He then said, "Why can't there be a system for this (army chief's appointment) to happen within the institution?"

PMLN has brought Boot Polish to a whole new level. In all democratic countries civilians get to choose their own army chief but apparently this shouldn't be allowed anymore after US backed regime change operation in Pakistan...

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No when PA is infested with influenceable or corrupt imbedded officers in key positions.
 

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This point by Kh Asif also gives rise to a couple of problems:

1- In-fighting. If you do not have a simple senior most gets to be Chief, you can bet your bottom dollar that there would be infighting within the top ranks and a bickering for the top spot. Chabloosian, and buttering will be free for all. Not to say it doesn't happen right now, but it's at a minor scale.

2- The comparison with the judiciary is pointless. The judiciary is an arm of the state, like the parliament and executive. The military isn't an arm of the state, but a part of the executive. In such a system, the COAS reports to the Secretary Defence and up goes the chain. Why not let the FBR chairman choose the successor then? Or governor state bank? Or IG of police? Understand the fallacy with this argument then?

Kh Asif has in effect here reduced the concept of the constitution to zero, aur yehi log 4 maheenay pehle ayen aur jamhuriat kay naray lagatay thay. He has admitted that not only de facto, but in his eyes de jure the military is an independent arm of the state.

Boot polish is going up a notch.

Admittedly, the is a long history of the Pak Army interfering in Pakistani politics, but at this juncture PA are acting in line with the Constitution and have decided to stay neutral.

Respected sir..

1- Is the meeting of a general (won't say the exact rank) with 20 dissident MNA's regarding the VoNC in line with the constitution?

2- Is the meeting of top brass with N leadership, and also with Nawaz Sharif to find a way back in line with the constitution?

3- Are the directions of the military to Zardari to rope in all the members of opposition in line with the constitution?

4- Are the orders for BAP and MQM in line with the constitution?

5- Are the promises made by the military to Nawaz Sharif et al in line with the constitution? (The promises haven't yet been fulfilled, but that's another story)

The establishment has almost never acted in line with the constitution, neither do I see it doing that for the foreseeable future. Sadly.
 

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