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Skull-Buster

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I have a little context.

it wouldnt be a wise thing to reach a decision in view of a little context. that is a form of "selective perception". just because you want to believe that something is the cause for another thing, you will reach a conclusion with the tiniest context you can get. ignoring the large probability that what you are perceiving is bound to be wrong.
 

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it wouldnt be a wise thing to reach a decision in view of a little context. that is a form of "selective perception". just because you want to believe that something is the cause for another thing, you will reach a conclusion with the tiniest context you can get. ignoring the large probability that what you are perceiving is bound to be wrong.

What makes you think your perception is right, what if a terrorist comes in here and tells your interpretation of islam is wrong and he is correct.
 

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just because you want to believe that something is the cause for another thing

I dont want to believe something is the cause for another thing. You're wrong.

You cannot prove me wrong in my conclusion that you're indeed a Muslim. Can you?
 

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What makes you think your perception is right, what if a terrorist comes in here and tells your interpretation of islam is wrong and he is correct.

im not perceiving like the rest of you here, im believing. im believing that the terrorist is wrong, as there is not even ONE verse in ANY interpretation of the Quran, wether it be an interpretation of the Shias or the Sunnis or the Hanafis or the Wahhabis or the Barelvis or the Shafais or the Malikis or anyone else, which could give the LEAST inspiration to a person to commit a terrorist act. since you dont have knowledge, the best you can do is to perceive what suits you thinking.
 

Skull-Buster

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I dont want to believe something is the cause for another thing. You're wrong.

You cannot prove me wrong in my conclusion that you're indeed a Muslim. Can you?

i can prove you wrong in your conclusion that the terrorist was inspired by the Quran. infact i have already:woot:
 

Samudra

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im believing that the terrorist is wrong, as there is not even ONE verse in ANY interpretation of the Quran

You're better off telling that to a terrorist. He's killing innocent people.

i can prove you wrong in your conclusion that the terrorist was inspired by the Quran. infact i have already

You're yet to do that my friend. However you dont have to prove me wrong.

Prove the terrorists wrong. Thats more important if you feel the urge to prove something.

Have a great day.
 

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You're better off telling that to a terrorist. He's killing innocent people.



You're yet to do that my friend. However you dont have to prove me wrong.

Prove the terrorists wrong. Thats more important if you feel the urge to prove something.

Have a great day.


Skull

Read the post well. You dont have to prove to us, you have to prove it them.
 

Skull-Buster

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Adux,

if i had the means to reach to them, i would definitely do it. and since i have the means to prove your perception wrong, i am doing it.
 

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Adux,

if i had the means to reach to them, i would definitely do it. and since i have the means to prove your perception wrong, i am doing it.

Dude we have no such wrong perceptions about you.
You are mistaken in the fact that we cant differnitiate between you and them; we can.
The name Islam-Terrorist from non-muslims will stick as long as there is terrorist activites perpetrated in the name of islam. You are going to great lengths cuz you love religion i understand that, but the name islamic-terrorism will stick as longs your brethern will do it.
It is not about islam as an entity,
 

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Fear of Islam on Rise in US, Says CAIR ReportBarbara Ferguson, Arab News
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=97572&d=17&m=6&y=2007
WASHINGTON, 17 June 2007 — A prominent US Islamic civil rights group has released a study showing a significant increase in the total number of complaints of anti-Muslim bias in the United States between 2004 and 2005. The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations report blamed the trend of anti-Muslim bias including hate crimes, discrimination, and harassment on lingering animosity toward Muslims and a growing use of anti-Muslim rhetoric by some political, religious and media figures.

The organization said the increase is due to the lingering impact of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, increased awareness of civil rights issues in the Muslim community and what the group says is a general increase in anti-Muslim sentiment in American society.

According to the study, called “Presumption of Guilt,” that total is a 25.1 percent increase over the preceding year’s total of 1,972 cases. One of the most significant increases is in the category dealing with government agencies, which rose sharply from 19.22 percent of total reports in 2005 to 36.32 percent in 2006. This increase, said CAIR, was due primarily to the number of cases related to immigration issues such as citizenship and naturalization delays.

Nine states and the District of Columbia accounted for almost 81 percent of all civil rights complaints to CAIR in 2006. They include (in descending order): California (29 percent), Illinois (13 percent), District of Columbia (7 percent), Florida (7 percent), Texas (6 percent), New York (5 percent), Virginia (4 percent), Michigan (3 percent), New Jersey (3 percent) and Ohio (3 percent).

In addition, the number of incidents reportedly involving some form of police or law-enforcement abuse, such as unreasonable arrests, detentions, and searches, rose sharply in 2004, constituting more than one-fourth of all cases of abuse or discrimination, according to the report.

But CAIR’s Communication Director Ibrahim Hooper praised what he called “the responsiveness” of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI, to reports of hate crimes against Muslim Americans which encouraged more victims to come forward.

“Every time we referred a hate crime to the FBI, it’s been investigated thoroughly and professionally,” he said. The report, however, called on the FBI to act more proactively rather than relying on groups like CAIR to report incidents.

“These disturbing figures come as no surprise given growing Islamophobic sentiments and a general misperception of Islam and Muslims,” said CAIR Legal Director Arsalan Iftikhar, who wrote the 62-page report.
 

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It is not about islam as an entity,

I happen to disagree with this.

Some of the codifications of thought processes and beliefs ingrained by the religion in an organized manner have been a hurdle in overcoming fundamentalism and conflict within the Muslim society.

I'm moving away from the topic here but since I'm done with Skull-buster I really want to indulge. What change can an unpronounced opinion bring about eh ?

This is just an opinion and most certainly not a point to debate. I'm just writing what I'm thinking. I'm jobless...so I think a lot these days when I'm not eating.

Lets consider the example of Non-Muslims being banned from becoming President of Pakistan.

Why aren't those <include-latest-percentage-of-moderates-in-Pakistan> moderates not even raising their voice against this very very blatant insult meted out to their Citizens ?

Why, ofcourse, Islam is this great religion that emphasizes all sorts of nice things in the world and Islamic Nation Pakistan is!

Why can't moderates dare to open their mouths for their kaffir brothers ?

How many times have Muslims in a Muslim majority state openly sided with Kaffirs against fellow Muslims in the absence of an external agency forcing them to ? Did you do a count ? How many instances did you come up with ?

Forget Non-Muslims versus Muslims.

How many Sunni Muslims in Saudi have fought against the discrimination of Shia's in their country ?

What is that amongst Muslims that prevents them from raising their voice against oppression perpetuated by their society upon the minorities or those who're not in their 'group' ?

A typical answer would consist not of apologies or acknowledgements but reasons as to why these 'raising voices' and 'fighting for Kaffirs rights' are not possible or important.

I was myself given a handful of these reasons for asking as to why Pakistan promotes legal discrimination of Kaffirs by preventing them from becoming President.

Somehow these reasons seem to justify their acts against Islam ?

Group dynamics\Psychology.

We are discreet sheep; we wait to see how
the drove is going, and then go with the drove.
- Mark Twain.

Once again the above post was just thinking out aloud and I'm most certainly not interested in 'prove me this' sort of going around in circles anymore.
 

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let me get straight to the point.
after reading all the posts i think the muslim society needs to answer these questions:
why there are problems in only those parts of the world where muslims live or share same place of living?? example kashmir, palestine,chechenya.......
is the entire world so mad that everybody considers them threat to their societies??
what is it that makes other ppl think islam a barbaric, insensitive,aggressive religion??
u ppl live in self made notion that islam is under attack and need to stary a holy war to survive. but there is nothing like that.
living in a world of denial has harmed your society.
its high time to rethink rather blaming everybody else for your current state.
 

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let me get straight to the point.
after reading all the posts i think the muslim society needs to answer these questions:
why there are problems in only those parts of the world where muslims live or share same place of living?? example kashmir, palestine,chechenya.......

Kasmir under Indian control, Palestine under Israeli occupation, Chechnya ruled by Russians, notice any similarity ?

is the entire world so mad that everybody considers them threat to their societies??

No, MOST of the world is phobic.

what is it that makes other ppl think islam a barbaric, insensitive,aggressive religion??

Lack of knowledge about the religion.

u ppl live in self made notion that islam is under attack and need to stary a holy war to survive. but there is nothing like that.

A couple of thousand extremists do that, there are over 1.6 billion muslims in the world, there are over 25,000 members on this forum, lets say there are 15,000 Pakistani muslims and none of us has ever killed a non-muslim, or another muslim for that matter.

living in a world of denial has harmed your society.

And how well do you know our society ?

its high time to rethink rather blaming everybody else for your current state.

Thank but no thanks for the flawed advice.
 

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OK fine there are some issues releted to so called "foreign occupation of your land".

Yes most of the world is phobic about islam because there are plenty of examples that muslims dont follow or dont want to follow the law of land. the moment their population crosses halfway mark they want sharia and impose it on others also. Thats why the are phobic.

And i have plenty of knowledge about religion bcoz i follow the values of my religion in daily life too rather than praying or following a book mindlessly or mis interpreting a holy text.

You haven't killed a non-muslim. Fine, but you sympathise those who do that. Killing a living being is bad, whatever is the reason.

And i know how ignorant is your society. just look at the curriculum preaching hatered towards india and putting hindus into a bad light.
 
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