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Su-57 has bigger RCS than Su-27. It is true. Why should I deny that? It is fact.
Shut up if you know nothing stop claiming nonsense, Su-27 have RCS of 15 meter square but Su-57 have less than meter square RCS on various defense sites like Janes defense weekly/Flight global/Avaiton weekly, stop your nonsense BS claims
 
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I claim what I want. Who are you to say otherwise. It's my freedom. Unless I see proof, I can claim whatever I want. This is free country.
But you're not the expert of any kind in military field all here we are talking about based on some source/evidence what is the world military experts thinks/ says, your personal opinion worth nothing here on PDF
 

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I would love for the PAF to procure 50 of these birds in the next decade. There is easily a requirement in the PAF for 50 long range air superiority bombers able to strike far away. The Su-27/30/35 series fits this perfectly well but with the SU-57 it is the latest technology at a very reasonable price (45 million). The engine, IRIST, AESA radar technology in the SU-57 is top notch and superior to the F-35. THe SU-57 equiped with something like the PL-15 would be a Rafale killer.

Hopefully with the increasing cooperation between Russia/Pakistan such a purchase may become a possibility. Russia is expected to invest easily above 10+ billion over the next few years in Pakistan in the energy sector alone. A huge potential exists between us to a create a super region trade block centered around Central Asia.
F-22 uses a lot of titanium. It's heavier than F-15. Big RCS. Source:

The F-22 air superiority fighter utilizes more titanium alloy than any other United States Air Force aircraft. Stringent F-22 performance requirements led to the extensive application of titanium alloys. The F-22 product mix consists of cast and wrought versions of six different alloys and multiple heat treatments.

The titanium is there because it is far more heat resistance to increased temperature during super cruise. Remember the F-22 is expected to super cruise during most of its missions flying above mach 1 without after burners.

During the FXX competition the F-22 was actually outclassed in both stealth and performance by the F-23. The F-23 project team was led by northrop gruman which was know for its cost overruns associated with the B-2 bombs which costs 1+bn each for each bomber. Also during the test trails lockheed showcased live firing of missiles from within the F-22 which the F-23 northrop team did not.

Led to the USAF choosing F-22 for political reason (2 companies benefit ie lockheed and GD which employs 200,000+ employees). I strongly believe the USAF made a big mistake and should have actually went with both fighters as it would allow the US to also export to key allies like NATO/Japan/Korea/ Australia which lack 5th generation capabilities equivelent to the F-22. F-23s legacy did not die though as the USAF actually tested the 6th generation aircraft secretly last year and much of its DNA comes from the F-23 :) so I guess in the end the F-23 did win out

 
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I would love for the PAF to procure 50 of these birds in the next decade. There is easily a requirement in the PAF for 50 long range air superiority bombers able to strike far away. The Su-27/30/35 series fits this perfectly well but with the SU-57 it is the latest technology at a very reasonable price (45 million). The engine, IRIST, AESA radar technology in the SU-57 is top notch and superior to the F-35. THe SU-57 equiped with something like the PL-15 would be a Rafale killer.

Hopefully with the increasing cooperation between Russia/Pakistan such a purchase may become a possibility. Russia is expected to invest easily above 10+ billion over the next few years in Pakistan in the energy sector alone. A huge potential exists between us to a create a super region trade block centered around Central Asia.


The titanium is there because it is far more heat resistance to increased temperature during super cruise. Remember the F-22 is expected to super cruise during most of its missions flying above mach 1 without after burners.

During the FXX competition the F-22 was actually outclassed in both stealth and performance by the F-23. The F-23 project team was led by northrop gruman which was know for its cost overruns associated with the B-2 bombs which costs 1+bn each for each bomber. Also during the test trails lockheed showcased live firing of missiles from within the F-22 which the F-23 northrop team did not.

Led to the USAF choosing F-22 for political reason (2 companies benefit ie lockheed and GD which employs 200,000+ employees). I strongly believe the USAF made a big mistake and should have actually went with both fighters as it would allow the US to also export to key allies like NATO/Japan/Korea/ Australia which lack 5th generation capabilities equivelent to the F-22. F-23s legacy did not die though as the USAF actually tested the 6th generation aircraft secretly last year and much of its DNA comes from the F-23 :) so I guess in the end the F-23 did win out

Not possible bro First customer for Su-57 is Russian air force first let them induct in large numbers than it will possible to induct by PAF

And don't relpy @Tai Hai Chen he is just brainless troll nothing else
 

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I would love for the PAF to procure 50 of these birds in the next decade. There is easily a requirement in the PAF for 50 long range air superiority bombers able to strike far away. The Su-27/30/35 series fits this perfectly well but with the SU-57 it is the latest technology at a very reasonable price (45 million). The engine, IRIST, AESA radar technology in the SU-57 is top notch and superior to the F-35. THe SU-57 equiped with something like the PL-15 would be a Rafale killer.

Hopefully with the increasing cooperation between Russia/Pakistan such a purchase may become a possibility. Russia is expected to invest easily above 10+ billion over the next few years in Pakistan in the energy sector alone. A huge potential exists between us to a create a super region trade block centered around Central Asia.


The titanium is there because it is far more heat resistance to increased temperature during super cruise. Remember the F-22 is expected to super cruise during most of its missions flying above mach 1 without after burners.

During the FXX competition the F-22 was actually outclassed in both stealth and performance by the F-23. The F-23 project team was led by northrop gruman which was know for its cost overruns associated with the B-2 bombs which costs 1+bn each for each bomber. Also during the test trails lockheed showcased live firing of missiles from within the F-22 which the F-23 northrop team did not.

Led to the USAF choosing F-22 for political reason (2 companies benefit ie lockheed and GD which employs 200,000+ employees). I strongly believe the USAF made a big mistake and should have actually went with both fighters as it would allow the US to also export to key allies like NATO/Japan/Korea/ Australia which lack 5th generation capabilities equivelent to the F-22. F-23s legacy did not die though as the USAF actually tested the 6th generation aircraft secretly last year and much of its DNA comes from the F-23 :) so I guess in the end the F-23 did win out

I am sure china will help forment better ties between its two closest allies in pakistan and russia.
 

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You cannot. Either/or binary proposition.

If you go for quality you cannot have quantity - and vice versa.

I suggest you study the histories of the Russian Air Force and also the USAF.
USA has close to 1200 F-16s in service. Name any combat aircraft in Russian air force in those numbers
 

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Why have mods unbanned this idiot austin powers/ tai hai chen again. He is crapping in every thread and making it a troll fest.
 

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USA has close to 1200 F-16s in service. Name any combat aircraft in Russian air force in those numbers
F-16 is single engine. You can build 6 single engine for 1 double engine. US doesn't have 1000 F-15 or F-18. You are comparing apples and oranges. Please compare single engine with single engine, double engine with double engine.
 

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Worst stealth design among all 5th gen jets, it have only frontal aspect stealth, with least plan-form alignment properties, it have 2 piece canopy with metal bar between it which increases RCS, IRST also increase RCS, LAVCON deflection also somehow increases RCS and Biggest RCS points are air intakes, which place almost same place s on Su-27 series of jets which may also increases RCS, i think Su-57 is the modified version of Su-27 series of jets with only frontal aspect stealth only, its is LO design but not VLO design like F-22/J-20 but think Russia don't need VLO design because they have different doctrine/strategies and philosophies for their fighter jet development as compare to west and China, and they have backup of latest gen SAMs (S-400/S-500)
Your comment may somehow also increased RCS.
 

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