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Dasu Hydropower Project: China links resumption of work to payment of compensation?

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so we should sell Pakistan to China for money ?
What sort of childish reply is that? My point was why does Pakistan have Chinese engineers worrking on these projects? Did they Chinese fight their way to these jobs? Could Pakistan not find any engineers out of the 220 pious Muslims of Pakistan? Instead of importing these pork chumping kaffirs inside Pakistan?
 

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What sort of childish reply is that? My point was why does Pakistan have Chinese engineers worrking on these projects? Did they Chinese fight their way to these jobs? Could Pakistan not find any engineers out of the 220 pious Muslims of Pakistan? Instead of importing these pork chumping kaffirs inside Pakistan?

Shouldn't it be the prerogative of the contracting company on who they would employ? Pakistanis may be skilled but may not work for the same compensation or with the same disciple or long hours like their Chinese counter parts. There could be many reasons including local labor laws.
 
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Shouldn't it be the prerogative of the contracting company on who they would employ? Pakistanis may be skilled but may not work for the same compensation or with the same disciple or long hours like their Chinese counter parts. There could be many reasons including local labor laws.
Look at us be honest. Construction built with 100% desi labour/engineers tend to be terrible. Quality is sub-par, corners are cut, completion times keep being extended and desi contactor will end up with cost over runs. The finished product will be shoddy and be over priced. This is exactly why Pakistan looks a mess. I am always shocked at how buildings built 20 years ago look like they were built 100 years ago. Even new construction will be shoddy.

Compare this with Chinese cities. The built enivornment is superfluous. The reason is Chinese contractors follow stands of excellance with hard working employees. Furthermore they will finish projects well in time. The reason there are Chinese engineers and labour in Pakistan is because of the quality and work ethic. If desi's had those qualities those Chinese would never come to Pakistan.

But then Pakistan would look like China and Pakistani contractors would be building dams and motorways in Africa and China.
 

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Interesting. May be it is not true. Could be a propaganda news.


If the news is true (this is the big question), then I am sure there would be room for negotiation. Pakistan and China may agree to the amount what China pays to people who get injured or killed in China.

Can some Chinese confirm what is the compensation in China in such cases?

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Considering its Indian origin, I think that is a false news.
There is no news about compensation in China's special news about CPEC. And China is a decent big country. I don't think China will embarrass our allies for such some money.

Compensation standards of the Chinese govt:
In short, the Chinese govt will compensate the deceased for 20 years' income and funeral expenses.
According to the standards of the Chinese government, the families of these dead people should receive compensation of RMB 4-5 million (US $600k-800k). However, I have not received any information from the Chinese government asking Pakistan to pay the money.


BTW: I think Pakistan friends may have misunderstood something. The biggest impact of the explosion on the Chinese side is not that it caused casualties, and the Chinese people are not unacceptable for casualties. The Chinese are annoyed by the lies of the local govt in the incident, which leads many Chinese to believe that the Chinese govt is unable to obtain fair results for overseas workers. Human anger often comes from insecurity, as do the Chinese.
 
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Well the source is Indian. IT IS yet another FAKE NEWS. But hey what, lets start opening new threads every-time there is a fake indain newz.
 

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Well the source is Indian. IT IS yet another FAKE NEWS. But hey what, lets start opening new threads every-time there is a fake indain newz.


this outlet broke the story, it looks like well known pakistani news agency.

anything not suiting your narrative, best to call it indian source right?
 

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Shouldn't tje compensation be paid by the company employing them? Usually they will already be cobered by insurance.
 

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This is extremely unfair

imagine such conditions were imposed during the construction of Korakaram Highway (KKH) when several hundred Chinese and 1000+ Pakistani workers and engineers died due to extreme weather conditions and dangerous environment with little technology compared to modern standards

It’s giving the notion of China of 80s and 90s was a great friend and China of 2021 is a businessman

China is China. It never changed. You remember the China of 60's and before??

What did change was the amount of propaganda pumped out by Pakistani media to sugarcoat the relationship we have with China. Frankly, it's no different from the start of the relationship we had with the US in the early days.

Once China has settled in, it'll keep demanding more and more until we're no different than some African country where Chinese men go and beat up regular laborers if they don't meet the quotas.

 

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We can all thank some tribes for constant losses and insult they cause to Pakistan by selling out themselves to the enemies, and their addiction to terrorism.
Just a few hundred thousand have literally destroyed the rest of 220 million peoples lives.
 

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Look at us be honest. Construction built with 100% desi labour/engineers tend to be terrible. Quality is sub-par, corners are cut, completion times keep being extended and desi contactor will end up with cost over runs. The finished product will be shoddy and be over priced. This is exactly why Pakistan looks a mess. I am always shocked at how buildings built 20 years ago look like they were built 100 years ago. Even new construction will be shoddy.

Compare this with Chinese cities. The built enivornment is superfluous. The reason is Chinese contractors follow stands of excellance with hard working employees. Furthermore they will finish projects well in time. The reason there are Chinese engineers and labour in Pakistan is because of the quality and work ethic. If desi's had those qualities those Chinese would never come to Pakistan.

But then Pakistan would look like China and Pakistani contractors would be building dams and motorways in Africa and China.

That's the point. Chinese workforce is simply superior to that of other countries.
 

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Pakistan to pay Dasu attack Chinese victims
ISLAMABAD:
Pakistan has decided to compensate the 36 Chinese nationals, who died and were injured in a terrorist attack last year -- aimed at removing a major irritant in bilateral relations.
A total of 10 Chinese national lost their lives and another 26 were hurt in a suicide attack on a bus that was carrying them to the work site of the Dasu Hydropower Project in July last year.
The government has worked out four different compensation amounts ranging from $4.6 million (Rs810 million) to $20.3 million (Rs3.6 billion), sources told The Express Tribune on Tuesday.
Pakistan has decided to make the payment despite there was no legal or contractual obligation on the government.

The Dasu Hydropower Project is funded by the World Bank and does not fall in the scope of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

Four Pakistani nationals had also died in the attack.
After the government tried to downplay the terrorist attack as an accident caused by gas leakage, China immediately retaliated and cancelled a scheduled meeting of the Joint Cooperation Committee of the CPEC.

The Chinese contractor had also stopped the work on the project and demanded a compensation of $37 million.
The compensation that the contractor had claimed was over 500% more than what a Chinese national’s heirs would have received if killed in a similar attack in their own country, according to government sources.

The 4,320MW Dasu Hydropower Project is being constructed by China Gezhouba with funding from the World Bank.

The Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the cabinet would take up the proposal on Wednesday (today) to formally select one of these four options aimed at removing the bottleneck in bilateral relations.
Prime Minister Imran Khan has directed to present the options before the ECC for making a decision.

Work on CPEC has slowed down considerably over the past three and half years and there is no new project approved by both the sides under the project’s framework.
The $6.8 billion mainline-I project of Pakistan Railways also remains buried in the files.

It is the second time that Pakistan has decided to compensate Chinese nationals, who had died in a terrorist attack.
In 2004, one Chinese national lost his life and another was injured in a terrorist attack while working on the Gomal Zam Dam Project. Pakistan had then paid $100,000 to the family of the deceased and $50,000 to the injured worker.

The first option that the government has used as the baseline is the Gomal Zam Dam amount to work out the current compensation, which comes to $4.6 million (Rs810 million) in today’s exchange rate, said the sources.
On the basis of China's compensation package for own nationals working in China, the compensation amount would be $6.1 million, the sources added.
However, the Chinese contractor has demanded $37 million compensation.
On the basis of the purchasing power parity based GDP per capita, the compensation amount comes to $11.6 million.
While keeping in mind the factors of Gomal Zam Dam amount of 2004 that is indexed upwards using nominal GDP increase, the compensation will be $20.3 million.

To be headed by Finance Minister Shaukat Tarin, the ECC would pick one of these four options.
After the attack, the Chinese contractor demobilised from the site and had raised several demands as preconditions to resume work.

Then in September last year, an inter-ministerial committee, headed by water resources secretary and comprising the secretaries of finance, law and justice, foreign affairs and interior was formed to work out the compensation amount.
The committee had been tasked to work out the compensation package for the affected Chinese nationals keeping in view the past precedents, the current demand of the Chinese company, the prevalent insurance rates and the package offered by the Chinese government for their nationals in similar cases.
The body had set up a sub-committee, comprising officers of the ministries concerned to work out the necessary details.
The sub-committee had determined that there was no contractual remedy to make financial compensation related to casualties of the contractor’s staff, owing to any terrorist activity.

However, because of China’s sensitivity, Pakistan has decided to make the payment, the sources said.
After the ECC’s approval, the government would take up the matter with China and the money would be handed over to Pakistan’s embassy in China to directly make the payments to the Chinese nationals.
The water resources ministry has sought a supplementary budget to make the payments. There is no provision in the present budget to make them.
 

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