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It will be for F4 :)
Wishful thinking mate, especially since the possibilities are now available and not in the future. The F4 will already have PDL NG in France, Litening in India, MICA NG and Maitri will be developed seperately, IAF fighters will include more Israeli weapons and less French once...
The biggest problem is, there is no will from the French side that see's this potential and actually want to use it for the advantage for the Rafale and for French forces.

Btw, Olybrius from the MP forum says that all Rafales in the exercise are F3s, which is not only a disappointment for the Indian side, but also pretty silly from the French side! When you want to impress the IAF and get the new government to sign the contract faster, you need to use this exercise to show off all capabilities that the IAF could get, but now neither AESA, nor DDM NG can be showcased. :(
 
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Wishful thinking mate, especially since the possibilities are now available and not in the future. The F4 will already have PDL NG in France, Litening in India, MICA NG and Maitri will be developed seperately, IAF fighters will include more Israeli weapons and less French once...
The biggest problem is, there is no will from the French side that see's this potential and actually want to use it for the advantage for the Rafale and for French forces.

Btw, Olybrius from the MP forum says that all Rafales in the exercise are F3s, which is not only a disappointment for the Indian side, but also pretty silly from the French side! When you want to impress the IAF and get the new government to sign the contract faster, you need to use this exercise to show off all capabilities that the IAF could get, but now neither AESA, nor DDM NG can be showcased. :(
Well we are in war in mali and CAR atm, and new stuff is being tested for doctrinas. Not so may planes available...
 

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Well we are in war in mali and CAR atm, and new stuff is being tested for doctrinas. Not so may planes available...
Come on mate, that has nothing to do with it, AASM 125 was tested although there is no interest of French forces, just like the opening of the external wingstation has more to do with UAE's requirements. So there are developments going on independently and could go on with India too, especially if joint funding would make things far easier.
I simply don't understand that Dassault is on the one side so unconcerned about the export potential of the Rafale, by ignoring the benefits India would bring s a partner, at least for certain tech developments, not to mention the benefits for French forces! Instead they waste time and re-sources to convince the UAE and Brazil, although the MMRCA deal is bigger than both together.

Jaitley caught in Defence-Finance crossfire

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Union Finance Minister Arun Jaitley is facing calls from the three service chiefs to increase the defence budget to close to two per cent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), highly placed government sources have told The Hindu.

The calls come even as Mr. Jaitley, who also serves as Defence Minister, has been hearing from bureaucrats at the Finance Ministry that the money simply cannot be found for the increase without politically controversial subsidy cuts...

...Finance Ministry officials say restructuring subsidies could make funds available, but add that such measures are unlikely to be in place before the Budget is presented in July. Industry spokespersons, though, have suggested that insolvent public sector units can be stripped to finance defence acquisitions...
Jaitley caught in Defence-Finance crossfire - The Hindu


So much for Jaitley as a joint minister will make things faster and easier. Talk is simple when you are in the opposition, but now he see's the problems that he must deal with!
 
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Jaitley caught in Defence-Finance crossfire - The Hindu


So much for Jaitley as a joint minister will make things faster and easier. Talk is simple when you are in the opposition, but now he see's the problems that he must deal with!
Indeed, but the issue they are referring to is raising defence spending to 2% of GDP or even that one off 25% hike he had suggested. It doesn't specifically relate to the MMRCA deal and there is no questioning of not being able to pay for it this year.
 

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Indeed, but the issue they are referring to is raising defence spending to 2% of GDP or even that one off 25% hike he had suggested. It doesn't specifically relate to the MMRCA deal and there is no questioning of not being able to pay for it this year.
Of course not, but it shows that the celebrations when he was announced as a joined defence and finance minister were useless. People simply have far too high expectations once from BJP because of all the promises, but also because they don't see the realities. It's simply is not that you are in power now and can do what you want, you have to justify any move and that for good reasons. It will be very interesting to see how the new budget will look like.
 

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@Sanco i was talking about the presence of AESA at Garuda. Talked today with Cpt Brocard (i am sure you know who he is), he told me he had no clue but he considered very highly probable the presence of AESA radar in one of the involved Rafale.
 

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Of course not, but it shows that the celebrations when he was announced as a joined defence and finance minister were useless. People simply have far too high expectations once from BJP because of all the promises, but also because they don't see the realities. It's simply is not that you are in power now and can do what you want, you have to justify any move and that for good reasons. It will be very interesting to see how the new budget will look like.
Why not ???
Adjusting 2% of budget isnt a big deal.
GOI has a lot of unesecssary spendings.
 

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@Sanco i was talking about the presence of AESA at Garuda. Talked today with Cpt Brocard (i am sure you know who he is), he told me he had no clue but he considered very highly probable the presence of AESA radar in one of the involved Rafale.
Sorry my fault and I still hope that they have an AESA there, because it would be very important for IAF, but all pics that we saw so far, are showing F3s.

Why not ???
Adjusting 2% of budget isnt a big deal.
GOI has a lot of unesecssary spendings.
Because it is a big thing when you are in power and have to juggle with all demands and pressure from all sides, while trying to have a balanced budget. Just look at the demands of the forces now, which one will be provided first, which one could be combined in the defence budget of this FY, how much would the spending be increased to fix the rest in the coming years, all problems that Jaitley or the BJP can only evaluate now, while early or even campaign promises hardly have any relevance without having a real idea about the budgets or the demands.
And that is only the defence field, but as a FM he will get pressure now from all sides to provide more money, so the idea that he makes a difference in quickly providing budgets is flawed as it seems.
 

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Eurofighter crashes at Spain's Moron base near Seville

A Eurofighter jet, similar to the one pictured, crashed at the Moron air base

A pilot has died after his Eurofighter jet crashed at a military base in southern Spain, defence officials say.

"A Eurofighter has crashed on landing on the runway of the Moron base", a Spanish defence ministry spokeswoman told the AFP news agency.

The accident took place at around 14:00 local time (12:00 GMT) at the facility, 56km (35 miles) south-east of Seville.

The base is shared by Spain and the US Air Force, but only Spain operates the Eurofighter jet.

Local media say the aircraft smashed in to the ground while attempting to land.

Images posted on social media showed black smoke rising from the vicinity of the air base.


Eyewitness Jorge Gargallo took this picture of the crash site from a nearby field

BBC News - Eurofighter crashes at Spain's Moron base near Seville
 

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Because it is a big thing when you are in power and have to juggle with all demands and pressure from all sides, while trying to have a balanced budget. Just look at the demands of the forces now, which one will be provided first, which one could be combined in the defence budget of this FY, how much would the spending be increased to fix the rest in the coming years, all problems that Jaitley or the BJP can only evaluate now, while early or even campaign promises hardly have any relevance without having a real idea about the budgets or the demands.
And that is only the defence field, but as a FM he will get pressure now from all sides to provide more money, so the idea that he makes a difference in quickly providing budgets is flawed as it seems.
Thats what theory is Sancho :p::p::p:
Do you know from where the budget allotment came for Food security bill ???

If one has to do there is a way. If you have to juggle 2% (relatively small amount) all you have to do is take 0.2% from every allotment that is relatively unnoticed from common eye.
In case of Food security bill the juggle percentage was 0.5%
 
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Thats what theory is Sancho :p::p::p:
Do you know from where the budget allotment came for Food security bill ???

If one has to do there is a way. If you have to juggle 2% (relatively small amount) all you have to do is take 0.2% from every allotment that is relatively unnoticed from common eye.
In case of Food security bill the juggle percentage was 0.5%
If that would only be so simple, but first he has to juggle with it, meaning fighting for every 0.xxx % with different ministries and lobbies and so on and when that is done we can see, how the budget increase will be diverted between the forces, which again means juggeling. So a long way to go and we still don't have a final DM yet, nor do we know where the new government will focus their priorities other than the increase of basic manufacturing as it seems.
 

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If that would only be so simple, but first he has to juggle with it, meaning fighting for every 0.xxx % with different ministries and lobbies and so on and when that is done we can see, how the budget increase will be diverted between the forces, which again means juggeling. So a long way to go and we still don't have a final DM yet, nor do we know where the new government will focus their priorities other than the increase of basic manufacturing as it seems.
It is that simple. look at the fund allocation for Food Sec. bill. money came from nowhere.

PM is always a boss nobody fight with him and not with this PM. if PM wish to do so he can.
All the ministerial committees are dismantled and Ministers are given free hand & responsibility over decisions and if he need help he has to go to PMO. What does this tell you ??? Ministers will work in accordance to PM. you know the meaning of that ;)
eg today govt decide to reduce Fertiliser subsidy ( Urea ) by 10% . Subsidy is around 11-15 billions INR. If my calcualtions are right GoI just made first step to 2-3% juggle :p::p::p:
Its more of a policy decision rather an just a juggle. Its was long awaited but no GoI showed the spine to do so.
Exclusive - Government considering urea price hike to curb fertiliser subsidies| Reuters
PS: urea is most commonly used fertiliser heavily subsidised by GOI since stone age.
 
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