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I read somewhere that Dassault has not fulfilled any of the ToT terms in the contract.

Did India blacklist Dassault yet or shall we say Modi does not have the balls? :D

Indian agencies ignored millions paid in kickbacks in Rafale deal: report​

French media reports Dassault paid almost 13m euros to middlemen to help secure sale of fighter jets to India



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Indian media on Tuesday published reports regarding a fresh political controversy over the Rafale deal as evidence pointed out that Indian agencies ignored allegations that French company Dassault, the maker of the Rafale jets, may have paid millions of euros to "middlemen".
French portal Mediapart has reported that Dassault paid almost 13 million euros to middleman Sushen Gupta between 2002 and 2012 to help secure the sale of Rafale fighter jets to India.

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Indian agencies failed to investigate these allegations despite having access to incriminating documents on at least some of these payments, NDTV reported.
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"Now NDTV has found more documents that show that in 2019, three years after India signed the Rafale deal, central agencies, including the CBI, were alerted to possible kickbacks paid by Dassault, yet they failed to act on the allegations. Such allegations could have led to a blacklist of Dassault under Indian laws," the report stated.
It said that the documents form part of the CBI's charge-sheet on alleged corruption in the sale of 12 AgustaWestland helicopters to top leaders in India. "They include a statement by Dheeraj Aggarwal, then manager of IT services company IDS, who in 2019 told the CBI that Dassault routed money to Sushen Gupta's Mauritius-based shell firm Interstellar through IDS."
It was reported that the payment period spans the NDA government under Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, which was in power till 2004, and the UPA, which came to power right afterwards.
Despite including this testimony in its court filings, the CBI did not initiate a probe against the company, it added.
According to Indian laws, a company can be suspended or banned if it "resorts to corrupt practices," "unfair means" or "illegal activities" during any period of the bidding and negotiations.
Meanwhile, a minister in the Indian state of Maharashtra demanded that the Centre should investigate claims made by the French portal.
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"A lot of news regarding Rafale has been coming in the French media. I think the way the news is coming the government should investigate the matter. We demand an investigation by the government," said Maharashtra Cabinet Minister Nawab Malik.
The 7.8-billion euro ($9.3 billion) deal for 36 planes between the Indian government and French aircraft manufacturer Dassault has long been mired in corruption allegations.
Dassault had initially won a contract in 2012 to supply 126 jets to India and had been negotiating with Indian aerospace company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
By March 2015, those talks had almost reached a conclusion, according to Dassault. But in April of that year, after Modi paid an official visit to France, the talks suddenly broke down to general surprise.
Reliance Group, which has no experience in aeronautics, later replaced HAL and finalised a new contract for 36 jets.
France’s Le Monde newspaper also revealed that France in 2015 cancelled a 143.7-million euro tax adjustment targeting a French firm belonging to Reliance, at the time when the deal was being negotiated.

Mediapart is a french tabloid, one of the sole in France. The owner, Edwy Plenel, is specially against the Dassault family (I don't know why, but the so called rafale bribe is a old obsession) and known to be islamic compatible...
It is a news that weight nothing.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: Final IAF Rafale In Sight, India Squeezes In More Enhancements

EXCLUSIVE: Final IAF Rafale In Sight, India Squeezes In More Enhancements - Livefist

A 36th Rafale fighter jet, the last airframe of an Indian order placed in 2016, will be delivered to the Indian Air Force a month from now, completing what France hopes is only the first order for the jet. The final airframe, actually the first to be built for India,…

Final IAF Rafale is an apt headline as there will be no more Rafale procurement by India.

Dassault kickbacks to Modi's friends is out in the open.
 

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Mediapart is a french tabloid, one of the sole in France. The owner, Edwy Plenel, is specially against the Dassault family (I don't know why, but the so called rafale bribe is a old obsession) and known to be islamic compatible...
It is a news that weight nothing.

French are good at giving bribes to win the deals and Indians are infamous for corruption and accepting bribes.

French Judiciary knows better.

French judge tasked with investigating Rafale fighter jet sale to India​

Issued on: 02/07/2021 - 23:00
Indian Air Force Rafale fighter jets fly past during the first day of the Aero India 2021 Airshow at the Yelahanka Air Force Station in Bangalore, February 3, 2021.
Indian Air Force Rafale fighter jets fly past during the first day of the Aero India 2021 Airshow at the Yelahanka Air Force Station in Bangalore, February 3, 2021. © Jewel Samad, AFP
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A French judge has been tasked with investigating a controversial 2016 multi-billion-dollar sale of Rafale fighter jets to India on “corruption” suspicions, the national financial prosecutors’ office (PNF) said Friday.

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The 7.8-billion-euro ($9.3-billion) deal for 36 planes between the Indian government and French aircraft manufacturer Dassault has long been mired in corruption allegations.
The PNF had initially refused to investigate the sale, prompting French investigative website Mediapart to accuse it and the French Anti-corruption Agency of “burying” suspicions surrounding the September 2016 deal.
In April, Mediapart claimed “millions of euros of hidden commissions” were given to a go-between who helped Dassault conclude the sale, of which “some... could have been given as bribes” to Indian officials.
Dassault retorted that no wrong-doing was flagged in the group’s audits.
After the reports, France’s Sherpa NGO, which specialises in financial crime, filed an official complaint for “corruption” and “influence peddling” among other accusations, prompting an investigating magistrate to be designated to probe the deal.
Sherpa had already asked for an investigation into the deal in 2018, but the PNF took no action.
In this first complaint, the NGO had denounced the fact that Dassault chose Reliance Group as its Indian partner, a conglomerate headed by billionaire Anil Ambani, who is close to Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
Dassault had initially won a contract in 2012 to supply 126 jets to India and had been negotiating with Indian aerospace company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
By March 2015, those talks had almost reached a conclusion, according to Dassault.
But in April of that year, after Modi paid an official visit to France, the talks suddenly broke down to general surprise.
Reliance Group, which has no experience in aeronautics, replaced HAL and finalised a new contract for 36 jets.
In January 2016, at the time of the negotiations, Reliance had financed a film co-produced by Julie Gayet, the partner of Francois Hollande, who was president at the time.
Sherpa believes this could constitute “influence peddling”.
Hollande said there was no conflict of interest, saying France had not had any say in who Dassault’s Indian partner was.
France’s Le Monde newspaper also revealed that France in 2015 cancelled a 143.7-million-euro tax adjustment targeting a French firm belonging to Reliance, at the time when the deal was being negotiated.
(AFP)

 

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French are good at giving bribes to win the deals and Indians are infamous for corruption and accepting bribes.

French Judiciary knows better.

French judge tasked with investigating Rafale fighter jet sale to India​

Issued on: 02/07/2021 - 23:00
View attachment 900739 Indian Air Force Rafale fighter jets fly past during the first day of the Aero India 2021 Airshow at the Yelahanka Air Force Station in Bangalore, February 3, 2021. © Jewel Samad, AFP
Text by:NEWS WIRES
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A French judge has been tasked with investigating a controversial 2016 multi-billion-dollar sale of Rafale fighter jets to India on “corruption” suspicions, the national financial prosecutors’ office (PNF) said Friday.

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The 7.8-billion-euro ($9.3-billion) deal for 36 planes between the Indian government and French aircraft manufacturer Dassault has long been mired in corruption allegations.
The PNF had initially refused to investigate the sale, prompting French investigative website Mediapart to accuse it and the French Anti-corruption Agency of “burying” suspicions surrounding the September 2016 deal.
In April, Mediapart claimed “millions of euros of hidden commissions” were given to a go-between who helped Dassault conclude the sale, of which “some... could have been given as bribes” to Indian officials.
Dassault retorted that no wrong-doing was flagged in the group’s audits.
After the reports, France’s Sherpa NGO, which specialises in financial crime, filed an official complaint for “corruption” and “influence peddling” among other accusations, prompting an investigating magistrate to be designated to probe the deal.
Sherpa had already asked for an investigation into the deal in 2018, but the PNF took no action.
In this first complaint, the NGO had denounced the fact that Dassault chose Reliance Group as its Indian partner, a conglomerate headed by billionaire Anil Ambani, who is close to Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
Dassault had initially won a contract in 2012 to supply 126 jets to India and had been negotiating with Indian aerospace company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
By March 2015, those talks had almost reached a conclusion, according to Dassault.
But in April of that year, after Modi paid an official visit to France, the talks suddenly broke down to general surprise.
Reliance Group, which has no experience in aeronautics, replaced HAL and finalised a new contract for 36 jets.
In January 2016, at the time of the negotiations, Reliance had financed a film co-produced by Julie Gayet, the partner of Francois Hollande, who was president at the time.
Sherpa believes this could constitute “influence peddling”.
Hollande said there was no conflict of interest, saying France had not had any say in who Dassault’s Indian partner was.
France’s Le Monde newspaper also revealed that France in 2015 cancelled a 143.7-million-euro tax adjustment targeting a French firm belonging to Reliance, at the time when the deal was being negotiated.
(AFP)

It is a cold case ! Mediapart, a full left wing news paper, tried for years to attack the Dassault family, without success....

The last bribe was about the subs purchased by pak.... causing an attack against french people working in pakistan... Just to be clear.
 

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Unlikely, I'm pretty sure Indian navy will go for F-18SH.
Just a question of time to have the answer.

Logistically to have a so small fleet of SH18, when IAF already have all the spare parts, test bench, training,... for Rafale, will be a nightmare. And Indian Navy knows that very well.
 

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Just a question of time to have the answer.

Logistically to have a so small fleet of SH18, when IAF already have all the spare parts, test bench, training,... for Rafale, will be a nightmare. And Indian Navy knows that very well.

I feel it might be the Rafale as well, and it would be sensible, considering the logistics and know-how of the aircraft will be shared between the two branches. Another main benefit is the decades of experience on Franch platforms; going with American while good would be an unnecessary burden. But we've seen stranger things happen.
 

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I feel it might be the Rafale as well, and it would be sensible, considering the logistics and know-how of the aircraft will be shared between the two branches. Another main benefit is the decades of experience on Franch platforms; going with American while good would be an unnecessary burden. But we've seen stranger things happen.

Unlike F/A18SH, Rafale wings don't fold. So it won't fit into small Indian carrier elevators.


I heard that French will allow integration of Indian BVRMs on Rafales only if India buys more Rafales.
 

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I heard that French will allow integration of Indian BVRMs on Rafales only if India buys more Rafales.
No.
It was inked in the first batch purchase. As Israeli glide bombs (Hammer is "only" a complement).


Unlike F/A18SH, Rafale wings don't fold. So it won't fit into small Indian carrier elevators.
It's true (for wings). But if it was impossible to fit the elevator, Dassault will never have spent money for tests.
So or there is space, or the leevators will be enlarged, or Dassault found an easy solution.
 

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