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Covid Killed Over 9,000 Americans In November, figures at odds with widespread beliefs the pandemic is over

Robert Hart
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Dec 2, 2022,12:36pm EST

Covid hospital admissions are trending upwards and at least 9,000 died with the virus in November, figures at odds with widespread beliefs the pandemic is over as increasing numbers of Americans return to their pre-pandemic lives and shun updated vaccines as immunity fades and the virus continues to evolve.

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More than 9,000 Americans died with Covid in the U.S. in November.

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KEY FACTS

Between 300 and 400 Americans died with Covid every day throughout November, according to CDC data, a rate that has remained roughly constant since early October but took a sharp downturn in the last days of November.

While far lower than the daily peak figure of more than 3,200 Covid deaths during the delta wave in January 2021, the toll, which primarily affects the elderly, is significant but largely ignored or written off as an acceptable or inevitable loss by politicians, leaders and members of the public who are eager to declare the pandemic over and return to normal.

The number dying with Covid throughout November is similar to the number dying from causes linked to excessive alcohol use and around two to four times the rate people are dying from flu, firearms, motor traffic accidents and opioid overdose, with each week nearing the number (2,977) killed in the September 11 attacks.

Between 3,000 and 4,000 people a day were admitted to hospital with Covid in November and hospitalizations have been trending upwards, according to CDC data, and though admissions are a very long way from the pandemic peak of more than 21,500 in January, they are also reasonably distant from lows of around 1,400 in April.

The public response to Covid in November is markedly different from similar periods at other times during the pandemic and polling suggests Americans are swiftly moving on from Covid, signposted by the near total abandonment of face masks and dismal uptake of updated booster shots—just 12% of the population over 5 and less than a third of adults 65 and over—released months ago.

Searches for terms including “Covid,” “coronavirus,” “Covid-19,” and “omicron,” which have broadly risen and fallen in line with cases and deaths, have also fallen and are at their lowest point in years and lower to earlier periods with comparable cases and deaths.


BIG NUMBER

1,077,303. That’s how many Covid-19 deaths there have been in the U.S. since the pandemic began, according to CDC data. Around 250,000 Americans have died with Covid in 2022 so far. The death toll means it is very likely Covid will, for the third year running, be the third leading cause of death in the country. The true death toll is probably greater than official figures suggest. Excess deaths, which include those not counted in official tallies and those who may have died from causes related to the pandemic, are markedly higher and provide a more comprehensive account. There are also likely millions who have survived the virus and are now suffering from long Covid, a potentially debilitating condition of persistent or new symptoms after infection.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

It is possible a new Covid wave is on its way. Winter is approaching and the cold weather has historically aided the spread of respiratory infections like Covid by bringing people closer together and indoors. Protection from previous infection or vaccination also wanes over time and leaves the population more vulnerable, a fact that sits uncomfortably next to the diminishing enthusiasm for booster shots and the emergence of new omicron offshoots that are more capable of skirting our defenses and are resistant to antibody treatments.

CRUCIAL QUOTE

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House’s chief medical advisor, has repeatedly urged Americans to get boosted but expressed optimism that any wave this winter will not be a repeat of the high levels last year when omicron first emerged. The country has “enough community protection that we’re not going to see a repeat of what we saw last year at this time,” Fauci said, at what is expected to be his last White House briefing before stepping down. This protection comes from a combination of highly effective vaccines and booster shots, large numbers of people with protection from prior infections and the rollout of new or improved treatments like antibody therapies and antiviral drugs like Paxlovid.

 

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Number of Americans hospitalized with COVID-19 rises to 36,354, the highest in more than 3 months

Los Angeles County says indoor masking "strongly recommended" as COVID cases are up 44% from last week

U.S. COVID update: Number in hospital continues to rise

- New cases: 29,860
- Average: 52,436 (-2,549)
- States reporting: 15/50
- In hospital: 36,354 (+352)
- In ICU: 4,211 (+124)
- New deaths: 219
- Average: 287 (-1)
 
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If there were no vaccines it would be substantially higher considering the percentage of people wearing masks in public had dropped dramatically in the last year.
 
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Covid Killed Over 9,000 Americans In November, figures at odds with widespread beliefs the pandemic is over

Robert Hart
Forbes Staff

Dec 2, 2022,12:36pm EST

Covid hospital admissions are trending upwards and at least 9,000 died with the virus in November, figures at odds with widespread beliefs the pandemic is over as increasing numbers of Americans return to their pre-pandemic lives and shun updated vaccines as immunity fades and the virus continues to evolve.

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More than 9,000 Americans died with Covid in the U.S. in November.

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KEY FACTS

Between 300 and 400 Americans died with Covid every day throughout November, according to CDC data, a rate that has remained roughly constant since early October but took a sharp downturn in the last days of November.

While far lower than the daily peak figure of more than 3,200 Covid deaths during the delta wave in January 2021, the toll, which primarily affects the elderly, is significant but largely ignored or written off as an acceptable or inevitable loss by politicians, leaders and members of the public who are eager to declare the pandemic over and return to normal.

The number dying with Covid throughout November is similar to the number dying from causes linked to excessive alcohol use and around two to four times the rate people are dying from flu, firearms, motor traffic accidents and opioid overdose, with each week nearing the number (2,977) killed in the September 11 attacks.

Between 3,000 and 4,000 people a day were admitted to hospital with Covid in November and hospitalizations have been trending upwards, according to CDC data, and though admissions are a very long way from the pandemic peak of more than 21,500 in January, they are also reasonably distant from lows of around 1,400 in April.

The public response to Covid in November is markedly different from similar periods at other times during the pandemic and polling suggests Americans are swiftly moving on from Covid, signposted by the near total abandonment of face masks and dismal uptake of updated booster shots—just 12% of the population over 5 and less than a third of adults 65 and over—released months ago.

Searches for terms including “Covid,” “coronavirus,” “Covid-19,” and “omicron,” which have broadly risen and fallen in line with cases and deaths, have also fallen and are at their lowest point in years and lower to earlier periods with comparable cases and deaths.


BIG NUMBER

1,077,303. That’s how many Covid-19 deaths there have been in the U.S. since the pandemic began, according to CDC data. Around 250,000 Americans have died with Covid in 2022 so far. The death toll means it is very likely Covid will, for the third year running, be the third leading cause of death in the country. The true death toll is probably greater than official figures suggest. Excess deaths, which include those not counted in official tallies and those who may have died from causes related to the pandemic, are markedly higher and provide a more comprehensive account. There are also likely millions who have survived the virus and are now suffering from long Covid, a potentially debilitating condition of persistent or new symptoms after infection.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

It is possible a new Covid wave is on its way. Winter is approaching and the cold weather has historically aided the spread of respiratory infections like Covid by bringing people closer together and indoors. Protection from previous infection or vaccination also wanes over time and leaves the population more vulnerable, a fact that sits uncomfortably next to the diminishing enthusiasm for booster shots and the emergence of new omicron offshoots that are more capable of skirting our defenses and are resistant to antibody treatments.

CRUCIAL QUOTE

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House’s chief medical advisor, has repeatedly urged Americans to get boosted but expressed optimism that any wave this winter will not be a repeat of the high levels last year when omicron first emerged. The country has “enough community protection that we’re not going to see a repeat of what we saw last year at this time,” Fauci said, at what is expected to be his last White House briefing before stepping down. This protection comes from a combination of highly effective vaccines and booster shots, large numbers of people with protection from prior infections and the rollout of new or improved treatments like antibody therapies and antiviral drugs like Paxlovid.

This kind of continuous lockdown propaganda has to end. The Chinese people seem fed up, and people don’t seem reassured by these stories any longer.

How many people died of the seasonal Flu or RSV in the US ? while there were extended lockdowns in the US, people that would otherwise get cancer screenings didn’t or had them delayed, and found out later the usually that they had cancer, causing some to not get treated earlier, which when studied will probably show an increase in cancer deaths.

There is always a trade off in health strategies. Look at the experience of all the US states and many countries around the world and see which model fits best to China’s situation before condemning how the US is trying to manage.
 
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View attachment 902865

90'000 since the ridiculed Shanghai lockdowns. At current trends, will reach 100'000 dead by year end.

You are not posting the correct chart.

Here is the Centers for Disease Control chart where media sites gets their data
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The pic you have posted 100 times in multiple PDF threads shows a 12,718 spike for November 11 that doesn't exist.

Even the title of this article says 9,000 in total for all of November which is under 12,718.
 
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This kind of continuous lockdown propaganda has to end. The Chinese people seem fed up, and people don’t seem reassured by these stories any longer.

How many people died of the seasonal Flu or RSV in the US ? while there were extended lockdowns in the US, people that would otherwise get cancer screenings didn’t or had them delayed, and found out later the usually that they had cancer, causing some to not get treated earlier, which when studied will probably show an increase in cancer deaths.

There is always a trade off in health strategies. Look at the experience of all the US states and many countries around the world and see which model fits best to China’s situation before condemning how the US is trying to manage.

Pre-pandemic in 2018, death from seasonal flu in whole of China for the entire year was 153 person. So yes 9000 death in a month from any disease would be a serious threat, as death from all the transmissible diseases combined for a full year in China is around 20,000.
 
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Pre-pandemic in 2018, death from seasonal flu in whole of China for the entire year was 153 person.

Notice how in January of 2019 China noted a huge spike in flu deaths (143) that almost exceeded the entire 2018 total.

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Notice how in January of 2019 China noted a huge spike in flu deaths (143) that almost exceeded the entire 2018 total.

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That’s why it’s called seasonal as the death numbers from flu for the entire year of 2019 was 269.
 
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You are not posting the correct chart.

Here is the Centers for Disease Control chart where media sites gets their data
View attachment 902907

The pic you have posted 100 times in multiple PDF threads shows a 12,718 spike for November 11 that doesn't exist.

Even the title of this article says 9,000 in total for all of November which is under 12,718.
Not correct grapgh? I am using the graph from Google. Multiple US institutions have multiple guesstimates, Google seems to provide the best analytics so far. There seems to be an incentive to 'show' lower death and portray the success. Lolololol. The title is from a news outlet, mine is from easily available GOOGLE DATA. So go argue with Google analytics team, if the article says shit is tasty, you will believe it too? What happened to questioning and reasoning? Or you are just like any cheer leader preparing to get spoonfed with msm. Read the footnote and fine prints.

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Covid Killed Over 9,000 Americans In November, figures at odds with widespread beliefs the pandemic is over

Robert Hart
Forbes Staff

Dec 2, 2022,12:36pm EST

Covid hospital admissions are trending upwards and at least 9,000 died with the virus in November, figures at odds with widespread beliefs the pandemic is over as increasing numbers of Americans return to their pre-pandemic lives and shun updated vaccines as immunity fades and the virus continues to evolve.

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More than 9,000 Americans died with Covid in the U.S. in November.

AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES

KEY FACTS

Between 300 and 400 Americans died with Covid every day throughout November, according to CDC data, a rate that has remained roughly constant since early October but took a sharp downturn in the last days of November.

While far lower than the daily peak figure of more than 3,200 Covid deaths during the delta wave in January 2021, the toll, which primarily affects the elderly, is significant but largely ignored or written off as an acceptable or inevitable loss by politicians, leaders and members of the public who are eager to declare the pandemic over and return to normal.

The number dying with Covid throughout November is similar to the number dying from causes linked to excessive alcohol use and around two to four times the rate people are dying from flu, firearms, motor traffic accidents and opioid overdose, with each week nearing the number (2,977) killed in the September 11 attacks.

Between 3,000 and 4,000 people a day were admitted to hospital with Covid in November and hospitalizations have been trending upwards, according to CDC data, and though admissions are a very long way from the pandemic peak of more than 21,500 in January, they are also reasonably distant from lows of around 1,400 in April.

The public response to Covid in November is markedly different from similar periods at other times during the pandemic and polling suggests Americans are swiftly moving on from Covid, signposted by the near total abandonment of face masks and dismal uptake of updated booster shots—just 12% of the population over 5 and less than a third of adults 65 and over—released months ago.

Searches for terms including “Covid,” “coronavirus,” “Covid-19,” and “omicron,” which have broadly risen and fallen in line with cases and deaths, have also fallen and are at their lowest point in years and lower to earlier periods with comparable cases and deaths.


BIG NUMBER

1,077,303. That’s how many Covid-19 deaths there have been in the U.S. since the pandemic began, according to CDC data. Around 250,000 Americans have died with Covid in 2022 so far. The death toll means it is very likely Covid will, for the third year running, be the third leading cause of death in the country. The true death toll is probably greater than official figures suggest. Excess deaths, which include those not counted in official tallies and those who may have died from causes related to the pandemic, are markedly higher and provide a more comprehensive account. There are also likely millions who have survived the virus and are now suffering from long Covid, a potentially debilitating condition of persistent or new symptoms after infection.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR

It is possible a new Covid wave is on its way. Winter is approaching and the cold weather has historically aided the spread of respiratory infections like Covid by bringing people closer together and indoors. Protection from previous infection or vaccination also wanes over time and leaves the population more vulnerable, a fact that sits uncomfortably next to the diminishing enthusiasm for booster shots and the emergence of new omicron offshoots that are more capable of skirting our defenses and are resistant to antibody treatments.

CRUCIAL QUOTE

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House’s chief medical advisor, has repeatedly urged Americans to get boosted but expressed optimism that any wave this winter will not be a repeat of the high levels last year when omicron first emerged. The country has “enough community protection that we’re not going to see a repeat of what we saw last year at this time,” Fauci said, at what is expected to be his last White House briefing before stepping down. This protection comes from a combination of highly effective vaccines and booster shots, large numbers of people with protection from prior infections and the rollout of new or improved treatments like antibody therapies and antiviral drugs like Paxlovid.


More than 9,000 Americans died with Covid
Is that the same as dying because of Covid ?
 
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