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Could we judge the virus origin by the first place where we see the outbreak? No.

kankan326

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It may be true in the ancient time. But not true in the global village age.

Virus spread speed is in a way of acceleration. Massive infections normally don't happen at the early stage. If the origin of the virus happens to be a low population density place, the early stage could be a very long period. In this window time, if the virus was brought to another country's high population density place(big city for example), the virus outbreak speed in this country could be even faster than the origin country.

Considering the symptoms of the Covid-19 are pretty much like flu, and some cases have no symptoms at all, the possiblily of transnational spread before people even knew this virus exsits is very big.
 
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I agree.. however its equally difficult to connect its dots for the alleged source as per the Chinese i.e. USA.
 

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China is a high population density country. And most of China's territory is in north temperate zone, where seems to be very suitable for viruses spread. So it's not strange that China could be the place where viruses outbreaks were found. But it doesn't mean it was China who created the viruses.
 

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China is a high population density country. And most of China's territory is in north temperate zone, where seems to be very suitable for viruses spread. So it's not strange that China could be the place where viruses outbreaks were found. But it doesn't mean it was China who created the viruses.
China didn't create this virus but it's government is responsible for the current global crisis, by taking these kind of action early on





This time around, the story begins with a mysterious respiratory outbreak on Dec. 12 in the central Chinese city of Wuhan. It sent at least 59 people to isolation wards in infectious diseases hospitals, where seven are now said to be in critical condition. As is typical, Beijing has kept mum about the outbreak, aside from insisting that the scientists—including non-Chinese—toiling to identify the culprit microorganism need to maintain secrecy and that there is no evidence that it can be spread from person to person. In fact, the government delayed notifying anybody about the pneumonia outbreak until Wuhan city officials acknowledged it two weeks after its apparent onset. In part because of the delay, the disease spread—according to some sources, there have been at least 16 suspected cases so far in restive Hong Kong and one putative case in Singapore—and Beijing has threatened to jail individuals who convey further information about the disease on social media.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/08/lunar-new-year-hong-kong-pnuemonia-sars-epidemic-wuhan/
 

kankan326

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I agree.. however its equally difficult to connect its dots for the alleged source as per the Chinese i.e. USA.
As I said, in the origin of the virus, there are no massive infections in the early stage. But there must be some unusual signs. US had all the signs(bio lab close, e-cigarette symptom, high flu death rate, etc).

The sudden outbreak in China, without any portent, seems very unnormal.
 
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As I said, in the origin of the virus, there are no massive infections in the early stage. But there must be some unusual signs. US had all the signs(bio lab close, e-cigarette, high flu death rate, etc).

The sudden outbreak in China, without any portent, seems very unnormal.
China did not act in time and take this out break seriously.only when the China virus went out of control did the Chinese govt acted,till then it was trying to cover it.even now we don't know the number of dead in China
 

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China is not to blame as a country per se , BUT it trying to pass the buck and not banning the wet markets after the first virus a decade back , is unseemly.
 

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China did not act in time and take this out break seriously.only when the China virus went out of control did the Chinese govt acted,till then it was trying to cover it.even now we don't know the number of dead in China
I'm tired of explaining this lie again and again. It took China one and half months to response to the disease(shut down the city). For a new unknown virus, 1.5 months is pretty fast for any country.

Another fact you should know, no matter how fast you acted, it was already too late to stop the virus spread. Because when you knew there is a new virus, the virus had already spreaded.
 
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China is not to blame as a country per se , BUT it trying to pass the buck and not banning the wet markets after the first virus a decade back , is unseemly.
Many recent disease outbreaks would seem to properly qualify as potential bio-warfare agents: AIDS, SARS, MERS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hantavirus, Lyme Disease, West Nile Virus, Ebola, Polio (Syria), Foot and Mouth Disease, the Gulf War Syndrome and ZIKA.
 

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If a virus as super contagious as Covid-19 can be easily snuffed out, it won't be this Covid-19 exploding exponentially around the world, China's draconian nationwide quarantine and lockdown had never been seen in the whole human history, that means China did her utmost efforts to contain it, no other countries had ever done or will ever do what China did on this virus.

China locked down the whole nation on Jan.20 2020, there were very few overseas cases by then, but some governments kept downplaying this virus as no more than common cold or the flu, didn't properly alert the general public to take it seriously or duly precautions, 2 months time window were just squandered away.

Jan. 20 2020
 

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That would have made the surroundings/surrounding cities of the bio lab a crippled epicenter by now.how do you think US can cover this up?
US hasn't been crippled even till now. Althought we know the situation is very bad there. If the first ever infected person is not living in a city. The spread speed could be very slow. Except in cities, Americans tend to live in dispersed houses. And we all know ordinary Americans are not willing to go to the hospital even they know they got sick because of high cost. So I guess at early stage the virus was spreading in a slow and silent way.
 
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https://interestingengineering.com/...f-a-re-emergence-of-a-sars-like-virus-in-2007

Researchers Had Warned of a Re-Emergence of a SARS-Like Virus in 2007
The culture of eating exotic mammals in parts of southern China meant it was just a matter of time.

sometimes ppl have to pay because other special ppl want to be exotic, for ppl who now feel offended there is no need these article shows that there are special ppl por groubs in the south with this behavior.. the goal should be to change their behavior..

but today its corona tomorrew its another variant of the flu.. these epedemics will exist in the future unless we find something like antibiotics against viruses
 

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The natural host of this virus is still unknown, actually most pandemics were caused by domestic animals, not wild animals, 1918 Spanish flu and 2009 H1N1 were from pigs, bird flu is from chicken, MERS is from camels, mad cow disease is from cows, foot and mouth disease is from cows and sheep...unless people can all go vegetarians, those viruses will still pop up somewhere in the future.
 

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