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All I am saying is that the Chinese should stick to one.
why stick to one? that's a prejudgemental narrative. that's what Indians do - judge and place blame.

Science only cares about proof. There is now new proof showing it originated in India. So we turn attention to India. In reality, it is very likely that the Indian government couldn't even detect coronavirus independently. I mean, there's dead people voting in India, there's people starving to death every day in India, what's a few more with a little breathing trouble last year?
 

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Western propaganda, and what difference does it make when virus samples now had been found in other parts of the world dated far earlier than that in Wuhan?

It changes with the updated discoveries and research, the origin till now is still unknown.
Did china shared samples from Wuhan to the world?
 

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Asian flu, Sars, h7n9 all started in china prior to Covid.....precedent is there for all to see..... the Chinese can try to sow confusion but one really have to be really thick to belive the propaganda.
 

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why stick to one? that's a prejudgemental narrative. that's what Indians do - judge and place blame.

Science only cares about proof. There is now new proof showing it originated in India. So we turn attention to India. In reality, it is very likely that the Indian government couldn't even detect coronavirus independently. I mean, there's dead people voting in India, there's people starving to death every day in India, what's a few more with a little breathing trouble last year?
There is also proof that Covid was there in Italy in the summer of 2019. And also proof that Covid was there in drains in Spain in the summer of 2019. And now there is proof that covid took off in India / Bangladesh in the heat wave of the summer of 2019. Also it was there is some nursing home in the US in the summer in 2019.
 

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There is also proof that Covid was there in Italy in the summer of 2019. And also proof that Covid was there in drains in Spain in the summer of 2019. And now there is proof that covid took off in India / Bangladesh in the heat wave of the summer of 2019. Also it was there is some nursing home in the US in the summer in 2019.
So you have all that evidence that it was elsewhere. What is the conclusion you can draw consistent with the evidence? All the evidence up to this point shows that Wuhan was simply the place that COVID-19 was first detected. Just like AIDS was first detected in the US - but it didn't originate there.
 

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Chinese scientists claim Covid came from India or Bangladesh as they try to shift blame from Wuhan in bombshell report

Dan Keane

14:42, 27 Nov 2020
Updated: 15:16, 27 Nov 2020


SCIENTISTS in China have claimed that coronavirus may have originated in India or Bangladesh as they try to shift the blame from Wuhan.

A paper by researchers at the Shanghai Institute for Biological Sciences suggests the virus existed on the Indian subcontinent before the Wuhan outbreak in December last year - but the theory is disputed.

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Scientists in China have claimed that coronavirus may have originated in India or Bangladesh

Scientists in China have claimed that coronavirus may have originated in India or Bangladesh Credit: AP:Associated Press
Wuhan, which went into a strict lockdown in January, is accepted by scientists to be the origin of the pandemic

Wuhan, which went into a strict lockdown in January, is accepted by scientists to be the origin of the pandemicCredit: PA:Press Association
The research, entitled ‘The Early Cryptic Transmission and Evolution of Sars-Cov-2 in Human Hosts’, challenges general orthodoxy among scientists that the virus originated in the wet markets of Wuhan.


It was posted on SSRN.Com, the preprint platform of respected medical journal The Lancet, on November 17 and bases its findings on research into strains of the virus provided by 17 different countries.

The research, led by Dr Shen Libing, claimed the traditional approach to tracing the origin of coronavirus strains did not work as it used a bat virus discovered in Yunnan, southwest China, several years ago.

Scientists use this as an ancestral reference to examine the evolutionary history of the bug but the bat virus is not the human virus’ ancestor.

In the paper, the researchers claim this prevents scientists from tracing the origins of the pandemic.


Instead, they used a new method which involves counting the number of mutations in each viral strain.

They claim that the strains with the most mutations have been around for a longer time, and those with fewer mutations are closer to the original ancestor of Covid-19.

The paper claims that the least mutated strain was found in eight countries: Australia, Bangladesh, Greece, the US, Russia, Italy and the Czech Republic.

It also states that the area of the first outbreak should have the greatest genetic diversity - and cites India and Bangladesh.

The researchers propose that India’s young population, extreme weather and drought created the necessary conditions for the virus to jump to humans.

The researchers write: “Our result shows that Wuhan is not the place where human-to-human SARS-CoV-2 transmission first happened."

It adds: “Both the least mutated strain’s geographic information and the strain diversity suggest that the Indian subcontinent might be the place where the earliest human-to-human SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurred, which was three or four months prior to the Wuhan outbreak.”

It is worth nothing that the findings are still a preprint and are yet to be peer reviewed- so should not be seen as established conclusions.

Workers wearing protective suits walk next to Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, believed to be ground zero of the coronavirus

Workers wearing protective suits walk next to Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, believed to be ground zero of the coronavirusCredit: AFP or licensors
China's President Xi Jinping talks by video with patients and medical workers at the Huoshenshan Hospital in Wuhan in March's President Xi Jinping talks by video with patients and medical workers at the Huoshenshan Hospital in Wuhan in March

China's President Xi Jinping talks by video with patients and medical workers at the Huoshenshan Hospital in Wuhan in MarchCredit: AP:Associated Press
Indian scientists have also challenged the findings of the Shanghai study.

Mukesh Thakur, a virologist working with the Indian government, told the South China Morning Post the conclusions were a “misinterpretation”.

And Marc Suchard, professor in human genetics and biostatistics at UCLA, said that the’ “arbitrary collection” of viral strains used was “unlikely to yield the progenitor”.

He acknowledged the method “holds great promise” but said it “comes with considerable uncertainty”.

Dr Shen has said he welcomes scrutiny of his paper, adding: “Only by doing so can it be rightfully refuted or accepted.”

It is generally accepted among scientists that the virus was first transmitted from an animal to a human in Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, where wild animals - including bats, marmots and snakes - were traded illegally.

Scientists are still hunting for the animal source of Covid-19, which remains shrouded in mystery - though research from the Wuhan Institute of Virology earlier this year suggested the virus’ genetic makeup was identical to the coronavirus found in bats.

The emergence of the virus prompted a draconian three-month shutdown of Hubei province from January 23 - though it later spread to 218 countries and infected over 61 million people worldwide.

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The pandemic has also caused significant diplomatic tension between the West and Beijing, with leaders including President Donald Trump accusing Beijing of preventing a transparent investigation into the virus and alleging a cover-up.

President Trump even told reporters in May he had seen evidence that the virus had originated in a Wuhan lab - though this theory is highly disputed by scientists.

On the campaign trail in August ahead of the US election, President Trump also said it was a "disgrace" that China had limited the spread of the virus at home but allowed it to reach the rest of the world.

In stark contrast to the US and Europe, China - with the world’s largest population - has largely returned to normal life and has reported only sporadic coronavirus outbreaks since May.


Wuhan, believed to be ground zero, shocked the world when videos emerged of a giant pool party thrown in August.

The Chinese Communist Party has faced accusations of triumphalism after pointing to the success of its authoritarian methods in contrast with the ‘failings’ of Western democratic countries in containing the outbreak.

According to Worldometer, the virus has killed over 1,441,100 people worldwide and infected over 61,492,000.

Not surprising :lol:

Xi is trying to whitewash wuhan corona virus out of his legacy. Unfortunately wuhan corona virus will always be rightfully associated with China under the watch of Xi. :)
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if it came from India. I mean have you seen Indian cities? People over there practically live in gutters. They're not even faintly acquainted with concept of sanitation and personal hygiene.
I also if from Paksiatn because cities are same as indian.
 

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