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Constitution of Pakistan guarantees Shariah: Imran

Discussion in 'Pakistan's Internal Security' started by Leader, Feb 9, 2014.

  1. M.AsfandYar

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    With all due respect i really doubt it.
     
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    Maybe he meant Pakistanis who were raised abroad and have little connection to their homeland.

    But even then, I am sure Pakistanis would know more about their country than outsiders would.
     
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    Read the constitution Sir
     
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    Most Pakistanis don't know what Sharia is. And if they say they want it and it comes to them, they will rebel against it (at least some of it)...

    Unfortunately we are educated ignorants and hypocrites of the highest degree. Our hearts need to be purified...

    Translation:

    Whether it is the Glory of Monarchy or the Drama of Democracy
    If Deen and Politics are separated, then all that is left is "Genghis".

    http://iqbalurdu.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/bal-e-jibril-037-zamistani-hawa-mein.html

    First of all there is no complete Sharia law in Pakistan, in parts it has been grafted on like a botched surgical operation. As to blasphemy laws, yes I think they should exist. Regarding the details on how a person is convicted of this ... I do not have the knowledge...
     
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    Quran is there for our guidance

    • Laws of Government and cities / tribes or small towns are all in Hadith to some extent with flexibility of adjustment based on needs for society

    Question is do we have such intellects in our society who can safely apply the advancement on Society to define new city/governence laws ?
     
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    Do you think a truce with the Taliban is possible. These are the same people who killed dozens of innocents in APS. Their version of Islam is disgusting and is corrupting Pakistan ideologically. Even if we had not declared war on them then what. They would have kept spreading their ideology and targeting shias, ahmadis and christians. Society as a whole would have been radicalized.
    Abandoning them and fighting them was the best thing Pakistan could have done.
     
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    It is not bs. He has a valid point that should be addressed logically. @Horus is right by pointing out that secularism doesn't mean success in every case of its manifestation.

    However, it is important to make people aware of one of the most important features of secularism: free choice.

    To put it in a nutshell, secularism is a concept that widens your individual range of free choice. In this regard, some people make the right choices for their personal wellbeing; needles to say that other people fail to do so.

    Just like individual humans, some secular states don't succeed. This isn't surprising at all. But it's not a coincidence that every single rich and technologically advanced nation has a secular foundation - and this is the most important argument in favour of secularism.

    On the contrary, every single society/state with a non-secular constitution fails to deliver wealth and prosperity to its own members and citizens.

    This is undeniable.
     
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    Article 2 of the Constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan 1973, stipulates that all existing laws shall be brought in conformity with Injunctions of Islam as laid down in ... Thus, Pakistan became the first Muslim country to officially declare modern (and rampant) bank interest system as un-Islamic and illegal.
     
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    Saudi Arabia is not secular, and it is doing well economically.
     
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    The secular law can be defined as law, which does not depend on the religious beliefs of the parties involved. The question immediately begged by such a statement is, 'Who decides what such laws should be or that there should even be laws which don't depend on the religious beliefs of the parties involved?'

    The ardent pro-secularist will say that the majority decides what such laws are and what their extent is. The Muslim should say that Islam prescribes such laws and to what extent they are implemented in society depends on the influence and power of the Muslim community and or other communities who also want those particular secular laws implemented.
    What those secular laws are which Islam prescribes relate to a number of areas but in broad terms, they are the 5 basic universal rights that have been outlined above: life, property, freedom of conscience, freedom of religion and honour.
    The next question that arises is whether a state can implement some secular laws and some non-secular laws. A good example of a non-secular law is the law of marriage. In some countries, this law still has very Christian overtones and everyone regardless of their religion must go through the ceremony to be recognized in law as married. Generally, the West has muddled the two types of law and starting from a position of very Christian law have diluted it into less and less Christian forms.
    In contrast, Islam makes a clear distinction between secular law and non-secular or religious law and to as great an extent as possible it prescribes enforcing both types. The Christians have their own marriage law in Islamic countries and that is what is enforced for them, the Jews have another marriage law and the Muslims another. Each religious group has in principle its own distinct non-secular laws and as far as is it wanted by each group and as far as is practically possible they are all enforced by the Islamic State. Each religious group builds their own judicial system and reaches an agreement with the state on how their laws will or won't be enforced.
    Communism has had a set of secular laws. The West has a set of secular laws. Islam has a set of secular laws. Out of these three Islam's set of secular laws gives the greatest meaning to freedom of religion and freedom of conscience, communism's set of laws gives the least (if any) meaning to freedom of conscience or freedom of religion and the West's set of secular laws is somewhere in between.

    One key area in which an Islamic state would change the way a country works is through the laws on trade. An Islamic state would manage the property rights of people (at least the Muslims) according to some key principles of moral economics. This forms the important field of Islamic economics.
    The role of the state in Islam is modelled on the way that the early companions implemented the affairs of state. Islam requires the authority of the state to act in the public interest, to maintain justice, to promote Islam internationally, and to redistribute wealth. The extent to which the state should rule people’s affairs depends on the needs of the people. Sometimes large government involvement may be needed and sometimes only a little. Islam does not prescribe anything like a state with huge control over industry but it is responsible for taking control of such basic utilities such as water rights if it is necessary to ensure that the basic needs of the population are met. The Islamic economy is a very free market economy restricted by the morals of the Muslims involved in the trading and general concerns over distortions to that freedom to trade. For example, the existence of monopolies or other forms of attempts to deceive people as to the would-be free market prices is something an Islamic government would attempt to eradicate. One key aspect of Islamic economics is the prohibition of interest.
     
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    Plea Bargain is unislamic and should be challenged by the GoP At the Federal Shariah court.
     
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    Isn't plea bargain same as blood money kesas as thier corruption did cost lives.
     
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    no. state of Pakistan has not declared a standard diyyat.

    their hands should be cut before going further in any corruption trial
     
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    We don't have any problem with unislamic laws constitution shouldn't be given any importance government should do what is in the interest of Pakistan
     
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    No laws can be made repugnant to the Quran and Sunnah in Pakistan.

    Maybe tribal supermacists write laws in your village