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Congratulations liberals, for another self-goal in forcing Bloomsbury on Delhi riots book

El Sidd

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Liberals should be liberal enough to accept majority's rule. Currently in India, BJP is ruling and they won majority of the seats in the parliament. Liberals should accept them with open heart.
'Liberals' brought BJP to power
 

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I don't think so! Supreme Court is always an independent institution.
This is just desperation that you see everyone cowed down to ruling party.
Not everyone.

Only targeted members of key institutions.

The Chief Justice. The Election Commissioner who gave adverse and dissenting notes about BJP hate speech. The two senior generals, who were superseded.

It is desperation that makes people pull strings to make things go in their favour; in the natural course of things, they would not.
 

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There is the letter of the law, and there is the spirit of the law. Merely hiding behind the shade of the letter of the law is not much of a defence. We all know what is going on.

Let me list them:
  • Bearer bonds for political finance: Undoing all the efforts of the Election Commission's struggle to bring about transparency in political funding;
  • Demonetisation - a decision taken by an individual without the Cabinet being even involved, even at a conversational level, with the RBI sidelined;
  • The use of the Army as contract labour without a contract, for a crooked Godman's Yoga celebration
  • Art. 370: Proven again and again, and with a Supreme Court verdict stating clearly that it was impossible to legally remove this enabling act, anomalous though it was;
  • Art. 35A: Removed though even BJP-ruled states have similar clauses;
  • Purchase of MLAs with large sums of money, as a substitute for winning elections;
  • The Rafale purchase: with all its preposterous arithmetic, presented to the nation as a patriot act, and an act opposition to which was tantamount to treason;
  • Assignment of the Rafale offset programme to an inexperienced company set up almost overnight;
  • The killings of rationalists and secularist intellectuals, as the culmination of a long campaign to impugn them and their work;
  • CAA and the NRC, and the blatant move to create second class citizens;
  • The destruction of the integrity of Supreme Court through false sexual harrassment charges against the Chief Justice;
  • The witch-hunt of the Tableeghi idiots;
  • Kafeel Khan; no need to add a word to his name, the entire episode is germane;
  • The sidelining of the dissident Election Commissioner;
Can we seriously claim that these were entirely unconnected event?
Among the list all, Rafale's numbers, I have gone through them quite thoroughly and there aren't any problems in them. Abingdonboy broke it down to the penny, you cand it, - you know where, if interested.
Rafale offsets controversy is based on poor reporting, if you look further into it, you will find the answers.
 
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I don't think anyone forgot the following statements by your idol Yogi,

“Hindu audiences should dig graves of Muslim women and rape the corpses....
Piles of BS. A) Yogi has never ever said that. B) Baad mein aana B pe, first find proof of A which never happened. Tc
 

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Not everyone.

Only targeted members of key institutions.

The Chief Justice. The Election Commissioner who gave adverse and dissenting notes about BJP hate speech. The two senior generals, who were superseded.

It is desperation that makes people pull strings to make things go in their favour; in the natural course of things, they would not.
Sir, do you have any reliable source to backup your claim except RaGa tweets?
And I am wondering which hate speech you are talking about?
I have never heard any hate speech from renowned BJP spokesperson.
Ya.. 2 or 3 MLAs has given the hate speech, but it was always in reaction when people like Owaisi speaks garbage at first. But still BJP has taken action against those MLAs. And I too don't support those individuals in BJP, I want them to get out from BJP.
 

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You are just a saffron Modi follower masquerading as a neutral objective third party.

I don't think anyone forgot the following statements by your idol Yogi,

“Hindu audiences should dig graves of Muslim women and rape the corpses....

Or may be the following

"Adityanath was referring to inter-religion marriages and said, that if Muslims take one Hindu girl,
we will take 100 Muslim girls. If they kill one Hindu, we will have 100 of them killed".

The first statement certainly promotes a rape culture so prevalent in India these days.

What is so Indian about these statements ?
This is a very old statement when no body knew him. He was not CM them. According to time and situations people changes, if it is good change then we should accept it and respect it and move on.
Now he is CM, has a huge responsibility. He has never given any controversial speech since he became CM. He works for every community equally now. I used to hate him once more than you without knowing this man. But when I searched deeply, i found he is not a bad man the way media was showing.
 

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Biggest problem with "liberals" in India is their disconnect and disregard with/for common Indians.
Are you saying that the right-wingers now in power find connect and regard with the sufferings of common Indians ?

I will again point out a recent incident of apathy. That migrant laborer woman who died of hunger at a Bihar railway station. Did her sad case find mention in Modi's Independence Day address at Red Fort ?

What are a lot of the middle class Indian youth doing ? Do they care to be saddened by the 300,000+ Indian farmers who committed suicide between 1995 and 2015 for actually very avoidable socio-economic reasons ? Why are these youth not rising up in revolt ? Why are they doing stupid things like banging plates to drive away Corona ?

Besides I am not a fan of socialism , I consider it unnatural and certainly not progressive .
So you are saying what is natural is tolerating or enacting social and economic injustice, apathy, cruelty, criminality etc ?

@Soumitra, who is a right-wing supporter, once said that one should do cost benefit analysis before thinking of helping the poor and oppressed. Is that your idea too ?

I am telling you, true socialism is the way to live in harmony with each other and with the surrounding ecology.

A) Yogi has never ever said that.
This is a very old statement when no body knew him. He was not CM them. According to time and situations people changes, if it is good change then we should accept it and respect it and move on.
Now he is CM, has a huge responsibility. He has never given any controversial speech since he became CM. He works for every community equally now. I used to hate him once more than you without knowing this man. But when I searched deeply, i found he is not a bad man the way media was showing.
Yes, as far as I know it was one of Yogi's henchmen who said that some years ago, but did Yogi after becoming CM show regret for those words ?
 

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The book would have come and gone and nobody would have noticed. Now with all the publicity, it would be a big hit probably a movie or a web series on the book would come up next. The liberals would again crib, cry, abuse and make the said famous too. They freaking made Modi PM of the country with their hate after all.
 

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Are you saying that the right-wingers now in power find connect and regard with the sufferings of common Indians ?

I will again point out a recent incident of apathy. That migrant laborer woman who died of hunger at a Bihar railway station. Did her sad case find mention in Modi's Independence Day address at Red Fort ?

What are a lot of the middle class Indian youth doing ? Do they care to be saddened by the 300,000+ Indian farmers who committed suicide between 1995 and 2015 for actually very avoidable socio-economic reasons ? Why are these youth not rising up in revolt ? Why are they doing stupid things like banging plates to drive away Corona ?



So you are saying what is natural is tolerating or enacting social and economic injustice, apathy, cruelty, criminality etc ?

@Soumitra, who is a right-wing supporter, once said that one should do cost benefit analysis before thinking of helping the poor and oppressed. Is that your idea too ?

I am telling you, true socialism is the way to live in harmony with each other and with the surrounding ecology.




Yes, as far as I know it was one of Yogi's henchmen who said that some years ago, but did Yogi after becoming CM show regret for those words ?
Did you ask the same question to Congress, is responsible for 1984 sikh riots and many..., did you ask the same question to Akhilesh Yadav, is responsible for Muzzafarpur riots, did you ask the same question to Owaisi, is responsible for many hate speeches and spreading extremism in India, did you ask the same question to Karela govt, why it is becoming hub of ISIS recruitments? Did you ask the same question to Kejriwal, why his partymen are involved in Delhi riots?
Why is this double standard from leftists always?
And mate, for your info, Yogi already has already given clarification many times on this statement, one is famous from Rajat Sharma show "Aap ki Adaalat".
 

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I have never heard any hate speech from renowned BJP spokesperson.
Do you, Sir, understand what is a circular argument?

No renowned BJP spokesman has uttered hate speech.
If he (or she) has uttered hate speech, he (or she) is not a renowned BJP spokesman.

I can give you three examples of hate speech from the Delhi political campaign, one of the culprits being a Minister in the Central Government, but your defence again will be that he is not a spokesman, that he is not a renowned spokesman, and that he was voicing a personal opinion, and not the opinion of the party.

Do you think these tactics cannot be seen through? :D
 

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Ya.. 2 or 3 MLAs has given the hate speech, but it was always in reaction when people like Owaisi speaks garbage at first. But still BJP has taken action against those MLAs. And I too don't support those individuals in BJP, I want them to get out from BJP.
Including the infamous three from the Delhi campaign? Do you want them to get out of the BJP too?

Does it go beyond hate speech? Does it include leading mobs to assault officials who do not 'oblige'? Does it include the little Vijaybargiya? Or is he exempt being a minor (mental age)?
 

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This is a very old statement when no body knew him. He was not CM them.
...and after becoming a CM, he has cast away all his past, just as he did when becoming a sadhu.

According to your rather amusing defence, how many such metamorphoses are permitted (only for the BJP, of course) in each BJP politician's lifetime? Just curious.
 

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I expected better from Joe. Anyone knows what happened in Delhi riots was nothing short of state backed pogrom. Calling them riots is insult and make it look like fight between equals.
 

Joe Shearer

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He works for every community equally now. I used to hate him once more than you without knowing this man. But when I searched deeply, i found he is not a bad man the way media was showing.
Dr. Kafeel Khan might have a different story....oh, wait, he is Muslim, and wajib e qatl!

Sorry, wrong address; if you were not a BjP supporter, and did not endorse their daily brutality, I would ask you to do the same deep research that you did on that charlatan Sadhu on Kafeel Khan.

It would be interesting to see your public reaction to what has been done to that philanthropist by your semi-divine CM.
 

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