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Talib suicide bombing recruiters and conditioners used to do this stuff in subterranean tunnels and bunkers, while this is what is being done with the future of Pakistan by TLP activists in the heartland of Punjab in the open sight. How long can the state continue looking the other way? Brelvi fanaticism was empowered to dilute the influence of Deobandi extremism and the repercussions are being seen now. One extremism cannot be neutralized by another.

 

Bilal Khan (Quwa)

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The issue is that we educated, rational types left the management of Islam to literal criminals.

Part of the problem is that we, on one hand, don't expect a correct Islamic tarbiyah (based on seerah and evidences) of ourselves and our leaders.

Look at how we speak about Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, Bilawal, etc. It's always about their corruption or their stupidity (or both). However, if you have no firm reference point for your morals (like Islam), then what does it matter if you're corrupt or stupid? You see, Nawaz et. al lack such a level of shame, that they don't care if you call them stupid, corrupt, or whatever.

At the end of the day, because we have no "red line", they'll keep coming back to power.

OTOH, if we thought about it in terms of, "is this okay in Islam?" Then, simply put, none of our political or religious leaders would meet the criteria. They would all fail and, in turn, it'd be very easy for us and our society to marginalize them.

However, for that to happen, we -- i.e. normies -- have to retake ownership of Islam from others. Most of the prophets weren't born priests, but they were mostly men of normal backgrounds. Rasul'Allah (SAW) was of merchants. Musa (AS) was of labourers. Dawud (AS) was of soldiers. And so on. Some were born among priests, such as Ibrahim (AS), Yusuf (AS) and Isa (AS), but didn't we notice how they were all spurned by the priestly establishment?
 

Pak Nationalist

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The issue is that we educated, rational types left the management of Islam to literal criminals.

Part of the problem is that we, on one hand, don't expect a correct Islamic tarbiyah (based on seerah and evidences) of ourselves and our leaders.

Look at how we speak about Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, Bilawal, etc. It's always about their corruption or their stupidity (or both). However, if you have no firm reference point for your morals (like Islam), then what does it matter if you're corrupt or stupid? You see, Nawaz et. al lack such a level of shame, that they don't care if you call them stupid, corrupt, or whatever.

At the end of the day, because we have no "red line", they'll keep coming back to power.

OTOH, if we thought about it in terms of, "is this okay in Islam?" Then, simply put, none of our political or religious leaders would meet the criteria. They would all fail and, in turn, it'd be very easy for us and our society to marginalize them.

However, for that to happen, we -- i.e. normies -- have to retake ownership of Islam from others. Most of the prophets weren't born priests, but they were mostly men of normal backgrounds. Rasul'Allah (SAW) was of merchants. Musa (AS) was of labourers. Dawud (AS) was of soldiers. And so on. Some were born among priests, such as Ibrahim (AS), Yusuf (AS) and Isa (AS), but didn't we notice how they were all spurned by the priestly establishment?
In my view, the quest for true Islam, that is moderate etc is in itself a lost cause. Religions would always remain open to interpretation. There is material in the scriptures for everyone to put their version of Islam out there. Taking ownership to project a more humane version of Islam would not do much good because the other side would also double down and use the scripture from the same religion to validate its views. The solution to our woes is not more or better Islam/better understood Islam but moving past this discourse of the essence of Islam being lost on the majority due to its being hijacked. The fact is and will remain so that Islam like other great religions of the world has everything for everyone. Words are always open to interpretation. No one interpretation can be ever accepted by all. It is time we make our people good human beings and Pakistanis rather than focusing on their spiritual and religious wellbeing (trying to make them "true"Muslims of ambassadors of Islam). That has not served us in the past and it would not do so in the future. Employing the same strategy again and again would fit the definition of insanity.
 
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