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Comparing total tonnages of USN and PLAN main surface combatant platforms within 2021-2030 projections

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It is doubtful that China can afford to increase production indefinitely whilst maintaining it's fleet and personal costs. Much like the Soviet Union before them, China could drive itself broke trying to keep up with the US. There are already signs they are hitting the wall such as the 004 AC postponement .
The percentage of China's military spending is still very low right now.
In fact, Chinese military spending on equipment procurement and training is already on par with the U.S. military.

In many aspects, it is the United States that is unable to keep pace with China. This is not primarily caused by China spending more money, but by the fact that the United States is now in the late stages of the country, with a great deal of aging and corruption.

The United States is now in this state like an old man, the United States is not lacking money, not status, not knowledge, the United States is lacking a healthy body and spirit .
America needs to be reformed to be great again.

It is a very good thing that China and the US can compete in a healthy way, to the benefit of both sides. It's also good for the world.



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Yes, you are right, I agree. It is a linear prediction.


I don't agree with this paragraph. The situation described here was predicted by both China and the United States .

The trend of U.S.-China relations behind 2021 is also all predicted again, and the reactions of both sides are expected without major changes. No matter who becomes president or which party is in power, it will not change the course of U.S.-China relations for the next two decades.

The relationship between China and the United States will recover after 2035. This is determined by the power of the country. It is normal for China now to be contained and suppressed by the U.S. When China's comprehensive national power completely surpasses that of the U.S. after 2035, the relationship between the U.S. and China will tend to moderate.

I'm actually more worried about the division of the United States, the United States is now a very serious domestic situation, handled badly, the United States is likely to go to civil war.
Now the United States through a variety of China topics to gather consensus is not a good thing, which just shows that the United States internal division is serious, has been unable to rely on itself to maintain the national consensus.

china was brought into WTO in 2000 by the US. in that period everyone thought were gona introduce capitalism to china and they will let go of their communist tendencies no one predicted in 2005 that in 2020 relations will sour that much


You should be more worried about china in that regard. US is like a melting pot steam builds up and releases at the same time. china with its trying to suppress the steam leads to eventuality like Hong-Kong rebellion, crisis in xinjiang. where the population actively wants to be seperated from the ruling party
 

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This does not take into account he entire US navy can't be deployed to fight the Chinese. But if there is a war in SCS, the entire Chinese navy will be deployed.
As well as shore based assets and C4ISR, similar to the Soviet Bastion strategy.
 

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The percentage of China's military spending is still very low right now.
In fact, Chinese military spending on equipment procurement and training is already on par with the U.S. military.

In many aspects, it is the United States that is unable to keep pace with China. This is not primarily caused by China spending more money, but by the fact that the United States is now in the late stages of the country, with a great deal of aging and corruption.

The United States is now in this state like an old man, the United States is not lacking money, not status, not knowledge, the United States is lacking a healthy body and spirit .
America needs to be reformed to be great again.

It is a very good thing that China and the US can compete in a healthy way, to the benefit of both sides. It's also good for the world.



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Not even in the slightest. you as china have to only worry about your borders and you caan concentrate much of the weaponary only and only there. US has to project power all around the world with over 500 bases throughout the world. China is not even mature enough to project power outside its border.youre not that rich. you still take money from world-bank. moneterily you can only give loans to try to make your influence whereas US just gives out money to countries.

- youre still a low income country
- you still have to evade the middle-income trap which ur govt is actively trying to avoid by 2025
- you still have to become a developed economy whos economy isnt heavily based on exports but its own population can carry the weight of its own economy
- your debt/GDP ratio is higher than the US. meaning most of the GDP growth came on the basis of debt.
- you're actively mining and selling natural resources of your country whereas US has yet to tap its own e.g lithium etc
- youre currency is not the world reserve, it doesnt even have parity with euro in terms of settling transaction and being carried as reserve

U.S is still deep rooted in your country
- every time u drink coke, eat mcdonalds, eat KFC
- everytime you go to google to search, send a wire from bank, watch avengers,
- everytime a car is made in ur country or pretty much any appliacne that carriers a chip,
- everytime u sit on a computer and log on to "windows"
-everytime u turned on ur phone and "android" was active

All that money from such actively indirectly routesback to the US


no aircraft of chinese airforce can reach the US just by its range. but US can stage 1100 aircrafts alone right at ur border. with additional ammo on the bases near china
 
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Its Clear from the chart US Navy will continue to dominate over China in foreseeable future both in terms of total displacement and the fire power . US Navy power fire power is three times of Chinese now it will reduce to 1.7 in nine years but still lag behind Chinese .
Not so sure. USN has a world wide interest zone. Not the China navy... at least nowadays.

The pacific ocean will see fierce opposition between the two. I hope a peace full opposition...
 

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Yeah, Chinese will basically have the home turf advantage. US won't.
Although from South Korea and Japan south to Indonesia and Australia, US allies and regional partners, at varying levels of cooperation, could help the US deal with China and negate some of that home field advantage, similar to the containment strategy against the Soviets.
 

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Although from South Korea and Japan south to Indonesia and Australia, US allies and regional partners, at varying levels of cooperation, could help the US deal with China and negate some of that home field advantage, similar to the containment strategy against the Soviets.
I doubt South Korea, Japan, Indonesia and even Viet Nam will join a shooting war against China. The outcome is uncertain. If the Chinese win then those countries will have to pay a heavy price.
 

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Not even in the slightest. you as china have to only worry about your borders and you caan concentrate much of the weaponary only and only there. US has to project power all around the world with over 500 bases throughout the world. China is not even mature enough to project power outside its border.youre not that rich. you still take money from world-bank. moneterily you can only give loans to try to make your influence whereas US just gives out money to countries.

- youre still a low income country
- you still have to evade the middle-income trap which ur govt is actively trying to avoid by 2025
- you still have to become a developed economy whos economy isnt heavily based on exports but its own population can carry the weight of its own economy
- your debt/GDP ratio is higher than the US. meaning most of the GDP growth came on the basis of debt.
- you're actively mining and selling natural resources of your country whereas US has yet to tap its own e.g lithium etc
- youre currency is not the world reserve, it doesnt even have parity with euro in terms of settling transaction and being carried as reserve

U.S is still deep rooted in your country
- every time u drink coke, eat mcdonalds, eat KFC
- everytime you go to google to search, send a wire from bank, watch avengers,
- everytime a car is made in ur country or pretty much any appliacne that carriers a chip,
- everytime u sit on a computer and log on to "windows"
-everytime u turned on ur phone and "android" was active

All that money from such actively indirectly routesback to the US


no aircraft of chinese airforce can reach the US just by its range. but US can stage 1100 aircrafts alone right at ur border. with additional ammo on the bases near china
All of this information you listed is correct and I agree. China still has a long way to go. I'm still bullish on China and bearish on the US though.

Development needs to take one step at a time, and it is normal to have problems.

China has many problems now, but China is like a young man who has a young spirit and a strong body. America has many advantages, but like an old man, he has knowledge, wisdom, money, status, friends, but these cannot make America young again. No amount of money, no amount of powerful weapons can make America strong again.

Do the same thing, young people with little money, little force can be done, but the elderly with more money, more force can not be done.

The U.S. looks at China like an aging king watching the young slowly take over, and it's very painful to see that the U.S. can't stop this trend with all its power.


I'm talking here about the youth and aging of a nation, both spiritually and materially. America has aged spiritually to the point where it is unable to accept the new ideas of the world and is just living in the spiritual world of the past. You can look at the world, the history of the decline of every large company, they all have similarities, these large companies lack of money, lack of technology, lack of their own allies system, no, they do not lack, they are just old.
China will also decline in the future, just like the Qing Dynasty more than 100 years ago, this is the law of things, Birth and Death , do not mind too much .
Mencius said :“
Without the threat of foreign enemies, the king and ministers would slack off, the governance of the country would deteriorate, and eventually the country would subjugate. ”

America's best times were actually those when the Soviet threat was greatest. When America was united at home, its economy thrived, Domestic capitalists concede profits to the lower classes, and externally respect and take care of their allies.
However, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Americans wantonly exercised their hegemony, abused their military power, and wantonly manipulated the ideological struggle. The internal fighting between the left and right parties in the country became more and more bottomless, and the capitalists exploited the people at the bottom without restraint. The changes in America over the last few decades illustrate this perfectly.

The U.S. China can now act as a competitor, which is actually good for both countries, and good for the world. If only one side dominates, it is actually not good for both sides to the world.
 
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I doubt South Korea, Japan, Indonesia and even Viet Nam will join a shooting war against China. The outcome is uncertain. If the Chinese win then those countries will have to pay a heavy price.
It all depends on how focus or broad Chinese naval activities turn out to be. For example, in a Taiwan contingency, it could just be the PRC, ROC, and the US, especially if the fighting is keep to the water around Taiwan.
 

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USN will remain unmatched for at least 1-2 decades, Chinese are catching up fast but so are USN is also moving in, for China in order to bypass US they need big items such as AC's in numbers, multiple Overseas Bases and radar Stations, China hasn't show any Power Projection so far, hence their military might will remain under the fog.
 

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