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Chinese J-20 ‘Mighty Dragon’ Just A Poor Copy Of US F-35 Jets – US Experts

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With China ramping up its defence capabilities, the newest addition in this feat is the J-20 ‘Mighty Dragon’ stealth fighter jet set which aims to outclass any competitors including India operated Rafale Jets and American F-35s.


A modified version of J-20 has formally entered mass production recently according to a report by SCMP. The chief designer of China’s first fifth-generation fighter jet said that it is expected to be developed by 2035.

“Amid great power competition and the commissioning of more and more fourth-generation fighter jets (or fifth generation under US classification, which includes China’s J-20, US’ F-22 and F-35), there have been extensive discussions on the changes in types of warfare, and the development of post-fourth generation fighter jets,” said Yang Wei of Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) and the Chief designer of J-20.

Yang added that in older generations of fighter jets, manoeuvrability used to be the deciding factor, but this concept is becoming outdated with the development of advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles with their beyond-visual-range attack capabilities. “a future fighter jet will generally require a longer combat range, longer endurance, stronger stealth capability, a larger load of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, and the functionality to provide its pilot with easy-to-understand battlefield situation images and predictions.”



Experts believe that the specifications stated by Yang in the tabloid look similar to that of usually described for the F-35 including the autonomous computerized ability to gather, organize and present an array of otherwise disparate pools of information for pilots.

Yang’s vision defines China’s future of these fighter jets. According to him, a future fighter jet will generally require a longer combat range, longer endurance, stronger stealth capability, a larger load of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, and the functionality to provide its pilot with easy-to-understand battlefield situation images and predictions.

In an integrated system, the aircraft should be able to form a network, draw real-time integrated situational images, create multiple attack routes, and transmit target information across mission areas in real-time.

Kris Osborn, Defense Editor for the National Interest while citing a 2018 Pentagon news story about DoD’s annual China report, wrote that the apparent design similarities between the J-20 and the F-35 may be a result of espionage.

“A cursory look at the J-20 does appear to show some resemblance to the F-35, particularly the blended wing-body front end and internally built, conformal exhaust pipes. Meanwhile, the J-20 has a wider and longer lower-body. However, available photos show an even larger measure of similarity between the F-35 and Chinese J-31 multi-role fighter,” he added.

Indian experts state that the stealth characteristics of the J-20 are also under suspicion, citing an analysis by the Indian Air Force. The J-20 was hyped to be a highly stealthy aircraft and that it could conceal itself in operations and not be easily detected.

“Rafale is far superior to the J-20, the Chengdu fighter of China. Even though it’s marketed as a 5th generation jet, it is probably at best a 3.5 generation aircraft. It’s got a third-generation engine as we have in the Sukhoi,” said Air Marshal R Nambiar who tested the Rafale aircraft for India.

A distinct feature of the J-20 includes artificial intelligence which “is a key field to help pilots process vast information and make decisions in complicated battlefield environments”. Yang said artificial intelligence will help pilots process the information, and help them become mission objective-oriented.

Each step in the original observe-orient-decide-act (OODA) loop in the air combat decision-making process will feature artificial intelligence’s assistance, Yang said. “Intelligence becoming the deciding factor” will be the essence of what Yang calls an OODA 3.0.
 

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With China ramping up its defence capabilities, the newest addition in this feat is the J-20 ‘Mighty Dragon’ stealth fighter jet set which aims to outclass any competitors including India operated Rafale Jets and American F-35s.


A modified version of J-20 has formally entered mass production recently according to a report by SCMP. The chief designer of China’s first fifth-generation fighter jet said that it is expected to be developed by 2035.

“Amid great power competition and the commissioning of more and more fourth-generation fighter jets (or fifth generation under US classification, which includes China’s J-20, US’ F-22 and F-35), there have been extensive discussions on the changes in types of warfare, and the development of post-fourth generation fighter jets,” said Yang Wei of Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) and the Chief designer of J-20.

Yang added that in older generations of fighter jets, manoeuvrability used to be the deciding factor, but this concept is becoming outdated with the development of advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles with their beyond-visual-range attack capabilities. “a future fighter jet will generally require a longer combat range, longer endurance, stronger stealth capability, a larger load of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, and the functionality to provide its pilot with easy-to-understand battlefield situation images and predictions.”



Experts believe that the specifications stated by Yang in the tabloid look similar to that of usually described for the F-35 including the autonomous computerized ability to gather, organize and present an array of otherwise disparate pools of information for pilots.

Yang’s vision defines China’s future of these fighter jets. According to him, a future fighter jet will generally require a longer combat range, longer endurance, stronger stealth capability, a larger load of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, and the functionality to provide its pilot with easy-to-understand battlefield situation images and predictions.

In an integrated system, the aircraft should be able to form a network, draw real-time integrated situational images, create multiple attack routes, and transmit target information across mission areas in real-time.

Kris Osborn, Defense Editor for the National Interest while citing a 2018 Pentagon news story about DoD’s annual China report, wrote that the apparent design similarities between the J-20 and the F-35 may be a result of espionage.

“A cursory look at the J-20 does appear to show some resemblance to the F-35, particularly the blended wing-body front end and internally built, conformal exhaust pipes. Meanwhile, the J-20 has a wider and longer lower-body. However, available photos show an even larger measure of similarity between the F-35 and Chinese J-31 multi-role fighter,” he added.

Indian experts state that the stealth characteristics of the J-20 are also under suspicion, citing an analysis by the Indian Air Force. The J-20 was hyped to be a highly stealthy aircraft and that it could conceal itself in operations and not be easily detected.

“Rafale is far superior to the J-20, the Chengdu fighter of China. Even though it’s marketed as a 5th generation jet, it is probably at best a 3.5 generation aircraft. It’s got a third-generation engine as we have in the Sukhoi,” said Air Marshal R Nambiar who tested the Rafale aircraft for India.

A distinct feature of the J-20 includes artificial intelligence which “is a key field to help pilots process vast information and make decisions in complicated battlefield environments”. Yang said artificial intelligence will help pilots process the information, and help them become mission objective-oriented.

Each step in the original observe-orient-decide-act (OODA) loop in the air combat decision-making process will feature artificial intelligence’s assistance, Yang said. “Intelligence becoming the deciding factor” will be the essence of what Yang calls an OODA 3.0.
The J-20 is just a poor copy of the F-35 ... LOL. Yes the two aircraft look exactly alike. Of course I cannot discount the possibility the author is blind so I won't go any further.
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“Rafale is far superior to the J-20, the Chengdu fighter of China. Even though it’s marketed as a 5th generation jet, it is probably at best a 3.5 generation aircraft. It’s got a third-generation engine as we have in the Sukhoi,” said Air Marshal R Nambiar who tested the Rafale aircraft for India.
Wow! That's quite the indictment! :lol:
 

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After reading this “Rafale is far superior than J-20 according to Shithole oh i mean Indian Expert” there is no need to read this entire shit :lol:
 

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it would be fun if we could somehow test J-20 and Rafael against S-400 to see which of the 3 wins. Really none of the 3 really haven't been in any real(Syria,Libya etc doesn't count) battle. Not apple to apple comparison but still...

On paper J-20 look stronger and should easily take out S-400 but well New England Patriots always look weak on paper but they always win.
 

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Wow! That's quite the indictment! :lol:
Well he really did go overboard there. J20 is definitely 4.5 gen plus, but exactly how stealthy it is we will only find out in case of a real war. Till then, it is all just speculation. In any case, although he went overboard, such statements are not surprising from military personnel. Army spokespeople always appear to underestimate the enemy while speaking out in public, although they do know otherwise. Even if he knew J20 is really stealthy, what is he supposed to say? That it will spank Rafale and we should give up? That would just demoralize the people. He has to keep a strong face, that is part of the job.
 

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it would be fun if we could somehow test J-20 and Rafael against S-400 to see which of the 3 wins. Really none of the 3 really haven't been in any real(Syria,Libya etc doesn't count) battle. Not apple to apple comparison but still...

On paper J-20 look stronger and should easily take out S-400 but well New England Patriots always look weak on paper but they always win.
The J-20 has already been tested by the S-400 (the Chinese purchased the S-400). As for the Rafael, I wouldn't count on it unless China and India go to war.
 

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Well he really did go overboard there. J20 is definitely 4.5 gen plus, but exactly how stealthy it is we will only find out in case of a real war. Till then, it is all just speculation. In any case, although he went overboard, such statements are not surprising from military personnel. Army spokespeople always appear to underestimate the enemy while speaking out in public, although they do know otherwise. Even if he knew J20 is really stealthy, what is he supposed to say? That it will spank Rafale and we should give up? That would just demoralize the people. He has to keep a strong face, that is part of the job.
Can't say I disagree with most of what you said. Although usually when you hear a confident military personnel speak of a potential enemy, it's usually praise and giving them their due without diminishing yourself. This fellah here really went overboard IMO and ended up looking like he shouldn't be taken seriously. That's the drawback to talking trash.
 

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Well he really did go overboard there. J20 is definitely 4.5 gen plus, but exactly how stealthy it is we will only find out in case of a real war. Till then, it is all just speculation. In any case, although he went overboard, such statements are not surprising from military personnel. Army spokespeople always appear to underestimate the enemy while speaking out in public, although they do know otherwise. Even if he knew J20 is really stealthy, what is he supposed to say? That it will spank Rafale and we should give up? That would just demoralize the people. He has to keep a strong face, that is part of the job.
A good old saying comes to mind:
Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt
 

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Well he really did go overboard there. J20 is definitely 4.5 gen plus, but exactly how stealthy it is we will only find out in case of a real war. Till then, it is all just speculation. In any case, although he went overboard, such statements are not surprising from military personnel. Army spokespeople always appear to underestimate the enemy while speaking out in public, although they do know otherwise. Even if he knew J20 is really stealthy, what is he supposed to say? That it will spank Rafale and we should give up? That would just demoralize the people. He has to keep a strong face, that is part of the job.
This is why India military sources have to claim 40 Chinese casualties and f 16 shot down when in reality they inflicted zero casualties
 

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