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Chinese graduates lament Western degrees no longer a fast track for top jobs,employers prefer local degrees
  • As Chinese universities climb up world rankings, Western degrees are not as prized by employers as they once were, according to overseas graduates
  • Hiring departments are often more familiar with elite Chinese universities and certain professions require strong local networks, young jobseekers say

Published: 2:00pm, 27 Nov, 2021

As degrees from overseas universities lose their competitive edge in China, graduates returning for work are getting mixed signals from employers, with some concerned the job market favours candidates who obtained local qualifications, despite an enduring “West is best” mentality in certain parts of society.

The total number of Chinese nationals studying overseas in 2019 was 703,500, according to the Ministry of Education. In the 2019-20 academic year, China sent more than 100,000 new university students to Britain alone, marking a 20 per cent increase from the previous year, according to the England-based Higher Education Statistics Agency.

While Britain remains a popular destination for Chinese students from relatively well-off households, long-held assumptions that Western graduates are better equipped with social and language skills, and therefore more sought after in China’s job market, are starting to be eroded, experts and young jobseekers say.

“It is a stereotype or general perception that students who have studied overseas are more eloquent, confident and aggressive,” said Professor Aaron Koh Soon Lee from the faculty of education at the Chinese University of Hong Kong.

“Employers tend to think that experience of a different education system makes them more liberal and creative.

“Most regard the West as the best, so graduates from branded Western universities get some kind of an endorsement – it’s like a passport.”

But as Chinese universities climb up world rankings, overseas graduates are returning home to find they are no longer the top pick for jobs.

“I don’t think we have much advantage over graduates who studied here, especially if we’re applying to local or small-sized companies, where hiring departments are more familiar with universities in China, such as those in the 985 and 211 projects” said Lea Chen Hei Yu, who graduated with a degree in sociology from the University of Bristol, a leading British university, in 2018.

The 985 and 211 projects were launched by the central government in 1998 and 1990 respectively to support schools across the country in becoming world-class educational institutions. They include the prestigious Tsinghua, Peking and Fudan universities.

“The person in charge in my previous company had no idea what the [London School of Economics] was. Renowned universities in the West are not as widely recognised here as some may have expected,” added Chen, who now works at fintech company JD Digits as a finance news editor.

Larissa Wu Wenxi, Chen’s junior in Bristol’s School of Sociology, Politics and International Studies, said the gap between domestic and overseas universities was narrowing.

“Those who can get into schools in the 985 and 211 projects are truly the most capable and dedicated bunch in the country,” she said.

“Some domestic companies may even assume that those who pursue postgraduate degrees abroad are trying to avoid China’s postgraduate admission test because they’re incapable or unequipped,” she added, referring to the standardised examination that all applicants must take for entrance to mainland graduate schools.

Chinese universities are becoming more valued when measured by employability.

China was ranked No 5 in the world for graduate employability over the past decade, according to the Employability Rankings 2020, a survey conducted by French consultancy Emerging and British magazine Times Higher Education.

Britain, for example, was only one spot ahead of China, which jumped six places from 2010. Furthermore, all mainland institutions ranked in the top 100 have either maintained or improved on their previous positions.

Because Western university degrees are no longer rare in China, Koh said many graduates pursue numerous internships and further qualifications to build highly competitive portfolios, a practice known as “credential inflation”.

“Employers and parents all know that simply getting a degree is common and therefore not enough,” he said.
“The situation in the graduate market, at the moment, is looking very gloomy. But this is the reality for them.”

Young jobseekers are also finding local connections can count for just as much as where a degree was earned. Koh said certain professions require strong Chinese networks and employers prefer graduates of local elite universities over those who have been away for years.

Despite studying abroad, Guangzhou-based Wu still managed to secure internships without much trouble.
“It usually only takes me two weeks to secure a placement,” she said.

“I think the most important factor is the reputation of the school, followed by credentials of the individual. As my university is somewhat recognised amongst Chinese employers, I’d normally be shortlisted.”

Over the summer, she has received invitations for interviews from the “Big Four” accounting firms - Deloitte, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Ernst & Young, and Klynveld Peat Marwick Goerdeler - as well as technology conglomerate Tencent.

More than 6.5 million Chinese studied abroad between 1978 and 2019, and nearly 90 per cent returned home after finishing their courses, according to the Ministry of Education.

Last year, graduates faced stiff competition for jobs due to a historic economic contraction caused by the pandemic, but there are signs the employment market is recovering.
China created 11.33 million jobs in the first 10 months of this year, according to the National Bureau of Statistics, and the surveyed unemployment rate has been 4.9 per cent since September, the lowest since September 2018.

While overseas degrees are becoming less competitive, some Chinese are choosing to study at home for personal reasons, including unpleasant experiences shared by past graduates.
Koh said international students are frequently exploited by the “education industry”, where efficiency and predictability are valued above quality.

“International students are always treated like cash cows, unfortunately,” he said. “Western universities rely a lot on the fees that overseas students pay for their income, but some don’t provide the kind of service that is of equal value.

Graduates like Chen and Wu said ultimately they felt more comfortable in China, something that influenced their decision to return.
“I prefer China’s living conditions and environment, people are friendlier to me and easier to deal with,” Chen said.
Wu said she wanted to be close to her parents and capitalise on her local contacts.

“I’m not a very aggressive or extroverted person, so I don’t think there’s much advantage for me to stay in the UK, especially as I’ve already built a professional network at home from my internships,” Wu said.

 

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This was a foregone conclusion at some point.

I believe Western Universities also have China campuses nowadays - especially in medical and other high technology fields.

Soon kids from the US will be applying to Chinese elite universities.

US students have been attending Japanese universities for decades, especially from the US West Coast.
 

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Well good on China. In Pakistan, the education is so bad that people jump on each other to go overseas for education. Once they finish their degrees there, no one wants to come back to this useless country full of corruption. In fact, there are only a handful of good Universities in Pakistan where people graduate and go straight to Western countries to escape Pakistan. IT IS THIS BAD !!
 

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Well good on China. In Pakistan, the education is so bad that people jump on each other to go overseas for education. Once they finish their degrees there, no one wants to come back to this useless country full of corruption. In fact, there are only a handful of good Universities in Pakistan where people graduate and go straight to Western countries to escape Pakistan. IT IS THIS BAD !!
What's the point you're trying to make here?
Are you trying to make it better?, If not than what's the point for shit talking here?
 

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Western education from primary school to high school really sucks, higher education is better just because they have overseas talents going to school there who didn't study primary and middle school in the west.
 

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The US deliberately kill her fundamental education in order to stupefy her peasants. I have met US graduates who is semi-literate, No joke.

Without China students, her university will wither.
 

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What's the point you're trying to make here?
Are you trying to make it better?, If not than what's the point for shit talking here?

Well then why are you answering my post if you don't understand it? Is it my fault that you are unable to COMPREHEND basic stuff?? If it is shi.t then why is your arse on fire?? :lol:
 

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Well then why are you answering my post if you don't understand it? Is it my fault that you are unable to COMPREHEND basic stuff?? If it is shi.t then why is your arse on fire?? :lol:
Cause it's absolutely retarted to come on a foreign section shit talk about your country, painting it like a shit hole, that would scare the hell out of any normal person as literal hell on earth
-serves absolutely no purpose- if you did it in Pak section and maybe even said something to fix it, I get it- it's all good
But What kind of a normal human being goes to random places and air your dirty laundry? It's f ing Ludacris
 

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US Elites and BLM are complaining Maths is racists yet everyone is trying their best to send their kids to the top STEMI high school and college.

So how?

It will be an middle age inquisition against top college professor who have rigorous content as well as asking every professors to add 30% of marks to the BLM students to equalize the playing field.


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Cause it's absolutely retarted to come on a foreign section shit talk about your country, painting it like a shit hole, that would scare the hell out of any normal person as literal hell on earth
-serves absolutely no purpose- if you did it in Pak section and maybe even said something to fix it, I get it- it's all good
But What kind of a normal human being goes to random places and air your dirty laundry? It's f ing Ludacris

Oh gosh dude, control yourself, don't be such a little sissy. It is PDF not Sino Defence. People like will still get offended in 30-years when China will be a Superpower, and even Bangladesh will become a developed country and Pakistan would in exactly the same corrupt shi.t. :lol:
 

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Western education from primary school to high school really sucks, higher education is better just because they have overseas talents going to school there who didn't study primary and middle school in the west.

I have to agree.

Highschool in the US is not about getting an education, it's about learning politics, forming cliques, social experiments and (ahem) extra-curricular activity.

Degrees from community colleges (two year duration past high-school) aren't worth the paper they're written on, and most people don't value an education past high-school anyway. Most people who could not get into a decent university have to go to a community college.

They think that foregoing an education past Highschool (12th grade) is the mark of an "independent mind" and "genius" which will flower by itself. :lol:

That type of cavalier and lazy attitude is why graduates of US high-schools are less and less employable, as the job market (increasingly) opens up to overseas labor via various visas.

This frustration (Americans having less of a shot at a good middle-class life, compared to their parents) is why the whole Trump presidency and the MAGA movement happened.
Oh gosh dude, control yourself, don't be such a little sissy. It is PDF not Sino Defence. People like will still get offended in 30-years when China will be a Superpower, and even Bangladesh will become a developed country and Pakistan would in exactly the same corrupt shi.t. :lol:

If its any consolation, I $hit-talk about Bangladesh on a daily basis, and sometimes get humorous about it. It is what it is.

If we don't criticize our own, then how will it improve?
 

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I have to agree.

Highschool in the US is not about getting an education, it's about learning politics, forming cliques, social experiments and (ahem) extra-curricular activity.

Degrees from community colleges (two year duration past high-school) aren't worth the paper they're written on, and most people don't value an education past high-school anyway. Most people who could not get into a decent university have to go to a community college.

They think that foregoing an education past Highschool (12th grade) is the mark of an "independent mind" and "genius" which will flower by itself. :lol:

That type of cavalier and lazy attitude is why graduates of US high-schools are less and less employable, as the job market (increasingly) opens up to overseas labor via various visas.

This frustration (Americans having less of a shot at a good middle-class life, compared to their parents) is why the whole Trump presidency and the MAGA movement happened.


If its any consolation, I $hit-talk about Bangladesh on a daily basis, and sometimes get humorous about it. It is what it is.

If we don't criticize our own, then how will it improve?
I think it's more of a values thing. There are good schools in the US but they are in super pricey neighborhoods that are being increasingly bought out by Chinese families. And those good schools, they are increasingly becoming more Asian. On average though, US schools are on the decline. Anyone who value education for their kids will send their kids to private school and even private schools are pretty shit when it comes to STEM subjects. Community colleges are ok if you can get course credit for your classes and transfer to a proper university after 2 years. Given the prices university charge now, most highschoolers would actually be better off foregoing higher education as all your art degree will get you is 40k in debt.
 

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This article is a little extreme. Students from famous Western schools are still very popular, such as Princeton, Pennsylvania, IC, Oxford and so on.
But those graduates from ordinary western schools are really not as good as those from domestic universities.
Because the Chinese students in these Western schools are usually the losers of China's college entrance examination. They choose to go abroad because they can't get into a Chinese University.
 

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The western universities are still leading.

But these days, there are admission quota in favor of Jews and bias against Chinese. Jews nowadays seems to be in a slow mental regression.

I guess this is because they are exactly the race to advocate sex, LGBT, drugs to the world and now many Jews are believing in their own lies.

It affect their scion.

Jews today are no longer able to lead the scientific war against China.
 

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The best economist in China was Chen Yun, primary school qualification. His predecessor is TV Soong, Harvard graduate. What Chen Yun has and TV Soong had not is Chen is completely patriotic and had field experience.

TV Soong just sit at office and cook macro economics policies. He was also extremely corrupt.

Chen Yun

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Soong TV

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