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Anyway you will have to reconcile to a BD that is going to get more closely economically integrated with India, Nepal and Bhutan. You can argue against this on this forum but it will make zero diference to the reality on the ground.

What the difference really?

BD became free because of too much West Pakistani influence. Why are some of you so eager to integrate BD with India and fall under its influence?

What is the rationality in believing BD will have upper hand when it integrates with a geographically, militarily, economically and population-wise, almost 10 times larger country like India?
 

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What the difference really?

BD became free because of too much West Pakistani influence. Why are some of you so eager to integrate BD with India and fall under its influence?

What is the rationality in believing BD will have upper hand when it integrates with a geographically, militarily, economically and population-wise, almost 10 times larger country like India?




No India is not 10 times larger population wise but 8 times. BD already has a greater per capita than India and the gap will grow over time. The difference may stablise at 6 times the difference 15-20 years down the line.

Anyway who says that BD and India are living in isolation in this world as large powers like USA and China are also being brought into the mix.

BD is balancing all 3 against each other and India is a key part of that balance. Take out India and the balance falls apart.
 

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No India is not 10 times larger population wise but 8 times. BD already has a greater per capita than India and the gap will grow over time. The difference may stablise at 6 times the difference 15-20 years down the line.

Anyway who says that BD and India are living in isolation in this world as large powers like USA and China are also being brought into the mix.

BD is balancing all 3 against each other and India is a key part of that balance. Take out India and the balance falls apart.

Nitpicking whatever

You still didnt adress my argument properly.
All youre saying is that BD will use USA and China to counterbalance Indian influence while BD willingly integrates intself with India. You realize how far off it sounds do you? USA and India is on the same team. America wont risk its relationship woth India in order to please BD, so you better forget that option.

Only one who remains is really China. If combined US-Indian effort manage to push out Chinese infuence in BD, which they may easily do, you would essentially have fallen into your own trap. Or rather the trap laid out by India and to a certain extent America, all along.
 

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Nepal has been asking for access to Bangladeshi Mongla port for years now, as it will facilitate their overseas trade. Mongla port is closer to Nepal than the Kolkata port. But they haven't yet been able to obtain it because of India's unwillingness to cooperate in this matter. They want Nepal to use Kolkata port and always remain dependent on India to maintain political clout. One of the many reasons why Nepal tilted towards China in recent years.

The hydroelectricity project you referred to - is being developed by India's GMR group, so they have a vested interest in facilitating it. Additionally, as I have mentioned before, strategic resource such as power is how you build and maintain influence geopolitically. For India, allowing electricity transit to Bangladesh is completely to their advantage as it generates revenue and geopolitical capital. And hence they are more than willing to cooperate in this case.

Economics and geopolitics go hand in hand. You can not assume geopolitics as a constant factor and take it out of equation completely. This region is not EU, we do not have a common religion (Christianity) or a common ideology (secularism) connecting us together. In Europe it was possible to build a cooperative region after centuries of wars was through years of social engineering post WW2 and the fear of the bogeyman - USSR / Russia.

There is a great mistrust and conflicting interests that prevails in this region. You cannot reconcile with an increasingly dominant right wing ideology like Akhand Hindu Bharat with an agenda to have millions of Muslims in Sub-continent have their "Gharwapasi" or mass conversion to Hinduism. The only way you cooperate with that and economically "prosper" is you turn a blind eye and eventually let go off your Bengali Muslim identity. It really isn't much different than countries who collaborated with Nazis. There is no value of having such economic prosperity.

You can be optimistic about regional development and prosperity through cooperation in this region all you want, but if you do not take the ground political reality in consideration, you are not being realistic in my opinion. Your view is oversimplification of the ground realities.

So, I think it is best to conclude discussion here as I do not agree with all your points and likewise you do not agree with mine.

Some chetonabadis here are going to be all sunny and optimistic about India-Bangladesh one-sided slavery.

We have seen the "nomuna" for the last fifty years, who benefitted and who got sucked dry....
 

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Nitpicking whatever

You still didnt adress my argument properly.
All youre saying is that BD will use USA and China to counterbalance Indian influence while BD willingly integrates intself with India. You realize how far off it sounds do you? USA and India is on the same team. America wont risk its relationship woth India in order to please BD, so you better forget that option.

Only one who remains is really China. If combined US-Indian effort manage to push out Chinese infuence in BD, which they may easily do, you would essentially have fallen into your own trap. Or rather the trap laid out by India and to a certain extent America, all along.


Read my multiple previous posts on this very matter as I am not going to repeat myself.

Your knowledge of geopolitics is very shallow and you need to read a lot more and think much more carefully about what BD is doing with USA, China and India.

Why do you assume that America will risk anything for BD against India? I never said that but not saying it will not. It is complex.

In fact India has nicely shielded BD from US over Ukraine issue over the last 6 months.

Problem with the likes of you is everything is India-centric to your brain, and you can never think in terms of the complex dance that BD is playing between India, USA and China as that does not fit your narrow world-view of India being this evil hegemon that wants to make BD slaves.

I am done now and so unless you are willing to open your mind and think far deeper than you have shown so far I will not be replying as it would be a waste of time.
 

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Your knowledge of geopolitics is very shallow
And your knowledge of geopolitics is much better than a military officer come journalist,ex military officers !

Also your economic knowledge is greater than Nobel laureates in economics!

Ap asman zaisa uncha Hain! :sarcastic:

BD is playing between India, USA and China
Too much playing with fire will literally burn your hand, be careful genius! :p:
 

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And your knowledge of geopolitics is much better than a military officer come journalist,ex military officers !

Also your economic knowledge is greater than Nobel laureates in economics!

Ap asman zaisa uncha Hain! :sarcastic:


Too much playing with fire will literally burn your hand, be careful genius! :p:

If I am a dalal for another country (other than my own), and if someone calls that out, then the least I could do is keep my trap shut and not claim to be better informed and more knowledgeable. :-)

We have too many traitors with the wrong flags and they have no shame.

Diversity of opinion is one thing but pa-chata dalali is another - there are distinct differences.

Deshpremer byaparey kono dwimoter obokash nai.

Either you are for your own country and watch its interests, or you are a traitor.
 

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Haha this guys are really something. Everybody else is paranoid, small minded and God knows what. But of course he is a genius himself. Like if we are all blind. What these people dont understand is that we all know there are some benefit of engaging India to some extent, but to go full length like he propose is a sure way to put one head in the lair of wolves. The potential dangers for national sovereignty far outweighs the potential benefits.

One cannot wake up someone who pretends be asleep.
 
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Haha this guys are really something. Everybody else is paranoid, small minded and God knows what. But of course he is a genius himself. Like if we are all blind. What these people dont understand is that we know the there are some benefit engaging India to some extent, but to go full length like he propose is a sure way to put one head in the lair of wolves. The potential dangers for national sovereignty far outweighs the potential benefits.

One cannot wake up someone who pretends be asleep.

Bhai amader (apnar, amar ar Nergal bhai-er especially) credibility shoot down korai to eder Modus Operandi. Tin char ta ID aasey, dekhen giya ek-i lok. Nijei nijekey onno ID thekey bahoba dai. :lol:

Amra credible na holey, amader moter kono dam na thakley to tar poa baro.

Kintu chokh ar kan to shokolery aachhey.

Goto ponchash bocchor Indiar shathey amader trade-er ki hoye aashtesey ta shokolei janey.

Indian item ar maaley bazar soilaab. Indian illegal lokjon eshey bhalo bhalo shob chakri niye nichhey.

Amra amader taka rakhbo kibhabey - shob-e to niye jacchey ebong jabey. Leeching at its finest - which you mentioned.

Tar uporey chetona cultural propaganda to aachei.

Kintu amader kono product-e tara nibena. Amra wealthy/powerful hoye jabona ??

Eishob buzrukee ar kotodin?

Koidin porey porey Noya Delhi-tey daakey - ar boshaiya instruction (dictum) dai.

Dekhen Algar mukh choon. Mone hoi Neem-nishinda tita jinish mukhey gesey.

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Haha this guys are really something. Everybody else is paranoid, small minded and God knows what. But of course he is a genius himself. Like if we are all blind. What these people dont understand is that we all know there are some benefit of engaging India to some extent, but to go full length like he propose is a sure way to put one head in the lair of wolves. The potential dangers for national sovereignty far outweighs the potential benefits.

One cannot wake up someone who pretends be asleep.
ভাই, বলদ রাই অন্যদের বলদ ভাবে! আর বলদ দের একটা বিশেষ সুবিধা হল তারা যে বলদ এই কথাটাও তারা জানে না।

নিজেদের তারা জিনিয়াস ভাবে! :p:
 

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ভাই, বলদ রাই অন্যদের বলদ ভাবে! আর বলদ দের একটা বিশেষ সুবিধা হল তারা যে বলদ এই কথাটাও তারা জানে না।

নিজেদের তারা জিনিয়াস ভাবে! :p:

Bhalo koisen! Ha ha ha.....:rofl:
 

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Bhai amader (apnar, amar ar Nergal bhai-er especially) credibility shoot down korai to eder Modus Operandi. Tin char ta ID aasey, dekhen giya ek-i lok. Nijei nijekey onno ID thekey bahoba dai. :lol:

Amra credible na holey, amader moter kono dam na thakley to tar poa baro.

Kintu chokh ar kan to shokolery aachhey.

Goto ponchash bocchor Indiar shathey amader trade-er ki hoye aashtesey ta shokolei janey.

Indian item ar maaley bazar soilaab. Indian illegal lokjon eshey bhalo bhalo shob chakri niye nichhey.

Amra amader taka rakhbo kibhabey - shob-e to niye jacchey ebong jabey. Leeching at its finest - which you mentioned.

Tar uporey chetona cultural propaganda to aachei.

Kintu amader kono product-e tara nibena. Amra wealthy/powerful hoye jabona ??

Eishob buzrukee ar kotodin?

Koidin porey porey Noya Delhi-tey daakey - ar boshaiya instruction (dictum) dai. Dhonnobad Hasina Bibi amader key chakor bananor jonno.

Dekhen Algar mukh choon. Mone hoi Neem-nishinda tita jinish mukhey gesey.

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Bangladesh govt er uchit @Bilal9 Bhai indian jinis a high tax dhora! ( 50% or more ) !

Eta korlei khub sohojei trade defecit komiye ana somvob!

Ekmatro medical service chhara amader onek kichui kintu Indiar theke onek valo.

Tobe shosta indian goods er jonno amader deshi ponno mar khacche.

Zotodin evabe cholte thakbe , totodin amra ei garments er baire export goods banate parbo na, at etei kintu India r poa baro.

Amar Kotha saf , desher lok indian goods use korle double price diye koro!

Seta na hoye ki hoy? Indians goods er dam e onek kom hoy , Zeno manush deshi goods na kine oigulai kene!

Amar saf saf Kotha , indian goods a double tax bosak.

Ze sorkar ei promise korbe ,are bastobayon korbe , Ami tader kei vote debo next time ; zodi vote hoy are ki!

Ami dictatorship er supporter , kingu BAL er na!

Dolio sorkar er poriborte zodi ekta technocrat dictatorship ase , like Fakhruddin regime , Ami ete beshi happy hobo.

Now sino Russia alliance khub strong , so Ami asha Kori emon regime ebar ele , 2 years na more than 10 years tikbe !

Ar zehetu dolio chamcha gula thakbe na ,bhondo religious business ( now league eitao Kore ) ar chetona business thakbe na, tai chetonar bani diye Tara desh ke India r colony vabbe na!

Kono Abrar Fahad anti India status deyar jonno shohid hoben na!

Emon desh e chai Ami!

We will do business with everyone , but we will let them use our country as their baper jomidari!

Goto ponchash bocchor Indiar shathey amader trade-er ki hoye aashtesey ta shokolei janey.

Indian item ar maaley bazar soilaab. Indian illegal lokjon eshey bhalo bhalo shob chakri niye nichhey.
And @Bilal9 Bhai , indian der job thekate hole amader education system again alive kora lagbe , zeta ei govt ekebare destroy korechhe!

Covid 19 e amader school college university khuleche sobar last a . Keno ?

Keno shikkha protishthane bongobondhur cult chorcha hocche?

He is our founding father , we respect him ,but are we supposed to worship him? No right?

Amader shikkha portishthan theke just slave ber hoye asa shuru hoise.

Eta ekhono thekano na gele desh gollay zabe!

Amader chhelera job pabe na ,vatar desher lower grade er lok Jon ekhane high position a job korbe.

So sobar age proper education ,and specially vocational education ; kerani banabar ei bortoman education na!

Vocational education mass population ke kormokkhom Kore gore tulbe .

Are high post er jonno different method mane higher education!

10 takay Dhaka university the Cha chop singara khaiye vab nile Hobe na!
 
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^^^ Paranoid talking in their own echo-chamber over here.

Who cares as real-world policy is at 180 degree to their "thoughts".

Let them blow some steam here as it will make no difference to the ground reality which is BD follows the sensible path to comprehensive national strength.
 

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ভাই, বলদ রাই অন্যদের বলদ ভাবে! আর বলদ দের একটা বিশেষ সুবিধা হল তারা যে বলদ এই কথাটাও তারা জানে না।

নিজেদের তারা জিনিয়াস ভাবে! :p:

Bro youre right. Take notice, i never questioned their intellectual abilities or called any name although i was tempted to out their broad daylight india-friendly propaganda.

Another thing is how anti-Pakistani they are. Have you noticed it? Check their post history. Pakistan really are too busy with other things than planning a hostile takeover of BD. In fact Pakistan has had a conciliatory foreign policy with BD lately. But still here we are, they are bashing a country that is no threat to BD in any meaningful manner whatsoever, but they cannot stop presenting BD-India relationship as of Honey and sweet.

It would be like a American guy hating and painting Great Britain as utterly bad guy, because of colonial past, all while presenting US prosperity as something of Russian national interest.
 

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Bhai amader (apnar, amar ar Nergal bhai-er especially) credibility shoot down korai to eder Modus Operandi. Tin char ta ID aasey, dekhen giya ek-i lok. Nijei nijekey onno ID thekey bahoba dai. :lol:

Amra credible na holey, amader moter kono dam na thakley to tar poa baro.

Kintu chokh ar kan to shokolery aachhey.

Goto ponchash bocchor Indiar shathey amader trade-er ki hoye aashtesey ta shokolei janey.

Indian item ar maaley bazar soilaab. Indian illegal lokjon eshey bhalo bhalo shob chakri niye nichhey.

Amra amader taka rakhbo kibhabey - shob-e to niye jacchey ebong jabey. Leeching at its finest - which you mentioned.

Tar uporey chetona cultural propaganda to aachei.

Kintu amader kono product-e tara nibena. Amra wealthy/powerful hoye jabona ??

Eishob buzrukee ar kotodin?

Koidin porey porey Noya Delhi-tey daakey - ar boshaiya instruction (dictum) dai.

Dekhen Algar mukh choon. Mone hoi Neem-nishinda tita jinish mukhey gesey.

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Bro i am afraid some PDF members took it literally when Momen said so graciously «Bangladesh and India is like Husband and Wife». So thats it, they listened and decided to become The Wife. :rofl:
 

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