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Does any one really have some idea, even the faintest one, about the below facility of BSHIC in Huludao, Liaoning?

- Has it been put into operation?

- What does it make?

TIME FLIES... :D

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China is building the world's largest nuclear submarine facility

It can build four subs at a time.

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer | Eastern Arsenal Column of POPULAR SCIENCE - APRIL 2017

Giant Factory

When this enclosed submarine factory begins operation later this year, the Bohai Shipbuilding Heavy Industry Co. (BSHIC) will be able to quickly build nuclear submarines. Assembling SSNs in a building also provides the advantage of sheltering against the weather, not to mention nosy spy satellites.

Starting later this year, China's new submarine factory on the Yellow Sea will churn out nuclear-powered attack submarines—also known as SSNs—all but ensuring that the sub program of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) will be a deadly global force.

Bohai Shipbuilding Heavy Industrial Corporation is putting the finishing touches on its new facility, which will start production this year. BSHIC, based in Huludao, Liaoning Province, is China's only builder of nuclear submarines. It previously built the Type 091, 093 nuclear attack submarines (SSN) and Type 092 and 094 nuclear ballistic missile submarine (SSBN). Why is this building such a big deal? Simple, really: inside a superstructure, submarines are hidden from snoops, spies, and satellites. It also provides a controlled environment for development and construction.

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as posted by @cirr
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chinas-submarine-fleet-evolution-news.302638/page-26#post-9398947
Chinese Increasing Nuclear Submarine Shipyard Capacity

By: H I Sutton | USNI News (2020-10-12)


China-Navy-Bohai-Shipyard-expansion1.jpg

Credit to H I Sutton at the USNI News

As China pushes to become a blue-water power, nuclear-powered submarines are critically important to Beijing’s plan. Historically the Chinese Navy’s (PLAN) nuclear-powered submarine fleet has been constrained by its limited construction capacity. There is only one shipyard in the country up to the task. But that yard has been undergoing a massive enlargement. And now, recent satellite imagery suggests an additional capacity expansion.

China’s nuclear-powered submarine fleet was already expected to get much larger in the coming years. This latest development suggests that China could pump out submarines at an even greater rate.

Just how many nuclear submarines China will build over the next ten years is a hot topic. The Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) recently forecast China’s submarine fleet to grow by six nuclear-powered attack submarines by 2030. Other observers, such as retired Capt. James Fanell who was Director of Intelligence and Information Operations for the U.S. Navy’s Pacific Fleet, place their estimates even higher. What seems clear is that the number of nuclear submarines will increase.

Analysis of commercial satellite imagery reveals work on a NEW CONSTRUCTION HALL at the BOHAI SHIPYARD at Huludao. Liaoning Province. The building appears to be essentially identical to the one built there in 2015. That is widely believed to be for the construction of a new generation of nuclear submarines.

The NEW HALL is estimated to be large enough to allow construction of TWO submarines simultaneously. When added to THE OTHER HALL recently constructed, that would allow FOUR boats to be in the sheds at once. And there is another much older construction hall at the other end of the site which, if still active, could add another. So four or five boats at once.

The nuclear submarines include both ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) and attack submarines (SSN). All nuclear submarines are built at the Bohai shipyard, so its capacity will be a major factor in the total fleet strength.

China’s naval growth has not gone unnoticed in Washington. In response, the U.S. Navy will have to adjust. Outlining the proposed BATTLE FORCE 2045, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said that the U.S. must begin building three Virginia Class submarines per year as soon as possible. This would build a “larger and more capable submarine force”. The proposed force will include 70-80 attack submarines, described as “the most survival strike platform in a future great powers conflict”.

There are THREE NEW CLASSES of submarine which might be built at Bohai. The most straightforward is the Type-09IIIB (also written Type-093B). This is an iterative improvement on the current Type-09IIIA Class submarine. The main improvement expected is the inclusion of cruise missiles in vertical launch tubes. These will allow it to carry an increased load of cruise missiles, improving its strategic strike capability. The YJ-18 cruise missiles are generally analogous to the Russian Kalibr family of missiles. China already operates Kalibr from some of its submarines.

More advanced than the Type-09III family is the next-generation Type-09V Class (aka Type -095). This is expected to be everything the Type-09IIIB is, and also stealthier.

The THIRD projected type is a next-generation ballistic missile submarine (SSBN). the Type-09VI (Type-096) will follow the current generation Type-09IV Class (Type-094). They are expected to augment the six Type-09IV instead of replacing them, leading to a net increase in China’s SSBN fleet. The 2020 China Military Power Report to Congress projected an increase to eight SSBNs by 2030.

At this stage we are still learning new details of the BOHAI SHIPYARD expansion. We have yet to see any submarines roll out of the new halls. And it is possible that the newest shed may be intended for some other purpose. But the takeaway is that China is transforming its submarine construction capabilities. The work at Huludao will remove the physical constraint which previously limited their nuclear navy.
 

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As China pushes to become a blue-water power, nuclear-powered submarines are critically important to Beijing’s plan. Historically the Chinese Navy’s (PLAN) nuclear-powered submarine fleet has been constrained by its limited construction capacity. There is only one shipyard in the country up to the task. But that yard has been undergoing a massive enlargement. And now, recent satellite imagery suggests an additional capacity expansion.
again, false :angry::angry::angry: our nuclear submarine construction capacity was NOT historically limited compared to other nuke countries; most has only one or two shipyards; US (groton, newport news), UK (barrow-in-furness), france (cherbourg), russia (severodvinsk), china (huludao); I really do NOT understand why US & western media always keep trying to blame and underestimate china; probably political reason than technique itself
 

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again, false :angry::angry::angry: our nuclear submarine construction capacity was NOT historically limited compared to other nuke countries; most has only one or two shipyards; US (groton, newport news), UK (barrow-in-furness), france (cherbourg), russia (severodvinsk), china (huludao); I really do NOT understand why US & western media always keep trying to blame and underestimate china; probably political reason than technique itself
I don't see how Samsara is incorrect here. It is extremely evident that the massive expansion at Bohai has only taken place in the recent five years, with visible progress only dating since 2017. This is a matter of fact, not "blame and underestimate China." The truth is the reason why Chinese nuclear submarine production was quite low is because the PLAN decided to focus on quality instead of quantity. Now that the technology for the 09V/09VI (~Seawolf, Virginia classes) has matured, the submarine building capacity needs to be ramped up quickly.
 

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I don't see how Samsara is incorrect here. It is extremely evident that the massive expansion at Bohai has only taken place in the recent five years, with visible progress only dating since 2017. This is a matter of fact, not "blame and underestimate China." The truth is the reason why Chinese nuclear submarine production was quite low is because the PLAN decided to focus on quality instead of quantity. Now that the technology for the 09V/09VI (~Seawolf, Virginia classes) has matured, the submarine building capacity needs to be ramped up quickly.
I don't see why americans view china like that; this US report sounds another matter of politics (rather than its claim itself); again, at this time, US media claims that chinese nuclear submarine capacity is historically limited; simply true once compared to US; but, let see, only US runs many nuclear submarines while others run only few; simply, UK/France/Russia/China nuclear submarine capacity are all limited, compared to US; I meant US never say so against UK/France, but it's saying so against China; it keeps reporting only against China; probably looking for writing another reports against China tomorrow
 

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TTT, now have increased confidence in this article from a week ago, suggesting that this is a new Submarine being built at Bohai, China -- NOV. 12, 2020


China-Submarine-Construction-Bohai-2020-11-02.jpg



Sutton (12 Nov.): “My initial assessment was based on this low-res Sentinel imagery.
Since then, have been able to use other sources which broadly confirmed what we are looking at, hence new sketch” (see below)

Bohai shipyard sketch - Sutton 20201112.jpg



TTT = To The Top; used to promote a discussion thread to the top

Probable First Image Of New Nuclear Submarine Under Construction In China
Flag As the Chinese Navy (PLAN) drives towards becoming a true blue-water Navy, nuclear submarines construction will have to increase. New Type-09V attack submarines and Type-09VI SSBNs are expected to compete with the latest Western models. The Bohai shipyard at Huludao has been expanded to meet the demand, but so far no submarines have emerged from its massive new halls.

New commercial satellite images, taken on November 2, appear to show a large submarine hull section outside the sheds. I have been waiting for exactly this.

-- link as given above; this 03-Nov article posted at the author's own blog is basically a redress of the below one posted at the USNI on 2020-10-12.

Tue 03 November 2020

By H I Sutton

Chinese Increasing Nuclear Submarine Shipyard Capacity

By: H I Sutton | USNI News (2020-10-12)

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Credit to H I Sutton at the USNI News

As China pushes to become a blue-water power, nuclear-powered submarines are critically important to Beijing’s plan. Historically the Chinese Navy’s (PLAN) nuclear-powered submarine fleet has been constrained by its limited construction capacity. There is only one shipyard in the country up to the task. But that yard has been undergoing a massive enlargement. And now, recent satellite imagery suggests an additional capacity expansion.

China’s nuclear-powered submarine fleet was already expected to get much larger in the coming years. This latest development suggests that China could pump out submarines at an even greater rate.

Just how many nuclear submarines China will build over the next ten years is a hot topic. The Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) recently forecast China’s submarine fleet to grow by six nuclear-powered attack submarines by 2030. Other observers, such as retired Capt. James Fanell who was Director of Intelligence and Information Operations for the U.S. Navy’s Pacific Fleet, place their estimates even higher. What seems clear is that the number of nuclear submarines will increase.

Analysis of commercial satellite imagery reveals work on a NEW CONSTRUCTION HALL at the BOHAI SHIPYARD at Huludao. Liaoning Province. The building appears to be essentially identical to the one built there in 2015. That is widely believed to be for the construction of a new generation of nuclear submarines.

The NEW HALL is estimated to be large enough to allow construction of TWO submarines simultaneously. When added to THE OTHER HALL recently constructed, that would allow FOUR boats to be in the sheds at once. And there is another much older construction hall at the other end of the site which, if still active, could add another. So four or five boats at once.

The nuclear submarines include both ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) and attack submarines (SSN). All nuclear submarines are built at the Bohai shipyard, so its capacity will be a major factor in the total fleet strength.

China’s naval growth has not gone unnoticed in Washington. In response, the U.S. Navy will have to adjust. Outlining the proposed BATTLE FORCE 2045, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said that the U.S. must begin building three Virginia Class submarines per year as soon as possible. This would build a “larger and more capable submarine force”. The proposed force will include 70-80 attack submarines, described as “the most survival strike platform in a future great powers conflict”.

There are THREE NEW CLASSES of submarine which might be built at Bohai. The most straightforward is the Type-09IIIB (also written Type-093B). This is an iterative improvement on the current Type-09IIIA Class submarine. The main improvement expected is the inclusion of cruise missiles in vertical launch tubes. These will allow it to carry an increased load of cruise missiles, improving its strategic strike capability. The YJ-18 cruise missiles are generally analogous to the Russian Kalibr family of missiles. China already operates Kalibr from some of its submarines.

More advanced than the Type-09III family is the next-generation Type-09V Class (aka Type -095). This is expected to be everything the Type-09IIIB is, and also stealthier.

The THIRD projected type is a next-generation ballistic missile submarine (SSBN). the Type-09VI (Type-096) will follow the current generation Type-09IV Class (Type-094). They are expected to augment the six Type-09IV instead of replacing them, leading to a net increase in China’s SSBN fleet. The 2020 China Military Power Report to Congress projected an increase to eight SSBNs by 2030.

At this stage we are still learning new details of the BOHAI SHIPYARD expansion. We have yet to see any submarines roll out of the new halls. And it is possible that the newest shed may be intended for some other purpose. But the takeaway is that China is transforming its submarine construction capabilities. The work at Huludao will remove the physical constraint which previously limited their nuclear navy.
 
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From H I Sutton @CovertShores on 2020.11.15:

#SubSunday **New** Submarine cutaway. What you need to know about #China Type-093A Shang-II Class SSN.

The weapons load is more diverse than most Western submarines. In particular, China has developed both thermal and electric heavyweight torpedoes.


[Note: this is a new article on the Type 093A SSN dd. 2020-11-15 by Sutton]

Chinese-Navy-Type-093A-Submarine-Cutaway.jpg


 
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