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China’s secret weapons in trade battle with India are NTBs

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  1. Nilgiri

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    @gslv mk3 deal with this riff raff would you buddy when you have time if you care to. You did an admirable job in the other thread about Indian railway manufacturing/export.

    CPC trolls and their usual low-IQ posse from the neighbourhood filling up the room left by quality indian posters like parikrama. This trend looks to continue and accelerate but few remaining knowledgeable people like you should focus on a few relevant max impact threads from now on for better use of time.

    Don't rely on a low IQ BD troll for your information. India exports plenty of railway systems to countries that actually have a worthwhile market...something BD will never be. I will let fellow members enlighten you in this thread.
     
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    You simply cannot force cheap substandard made in India rubbish to be exported to other nations.
     
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  3. Syama Ayas

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    While its perfectly fine for Chinese Govt to be protectionist against Indian automobiles and service sector exports, which India leads in both, given the fact both of these are not critically necessary goods

    http://www.autocarpro.in/analysis-reports/india-surpasses-china-passenger-car-exports-20224

    India surpasses China in passenger car exports
    by Tanmay Kulkarni Jun 07, 2016


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    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ical-exports-in-2015/articleshow/53064533.cms

    India leads China in pharmaceutical exports in 2015
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    What is really very sad is preventing Indian pharmaceutical exports critically required by Chinese citizens like Cancer drugs

    Cancer patients look to India for lifesaving drugs
    By Shan Juan (China Daily)Updated: 2015-01-28 07:38
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    Leukemia patient Lu Yong borrowed the idea from the Oscar-winning film Dallas Buyers Club and smuggled unapproved, Indian-made drugs for himself and 1,000 others to get medicines at an affordable price.

    Lu was detained by police in Yuanjiang, Hunan province, and his case of allegedly selling counterfeit drugs is still under investigation.

    The 47-year-old textile businessman bought a month's supply of the Indian generic version of Gleevec, originally developed and manufactured by Swiss drug company Novartis, for around 200 yuan ($32).

    In China, a month's supply of Gleevec costs more than 23,000 yuan, and it is not covered by health insurance in most places.

    For many leukemia patients like Lu, either Gleevec or a bone-marrow transplant is the only option for survival.

    Lu gave up on a transplant because donors are hard to find in China, and a transplant also carries the risk of potential major side effects. He found the cheaper Indian generic version of Gleevec worked well for him.

    However, any unapproved medications are illegal in China, and the China Food and Drug Administration has issued a notice warning cancer patients not to purchase such "illegal" drugs from India through online agents.

    In a joint clampdown involving public security and drug authorities, as well as major e-commerce websites like Taobao, many online agents were closed down, and some were imprisoned for selling counterfeit drugs.

    Indian generic versions of other expensive cancer medications, such as Iressa, Tarceva and Nexavar, are also hot-selling items among the Chinese.

    A Zhejiang-based online agent surnamed Liu said the demand is huge and ever increasing. He has been in business for four years. He quit using Taobao in late 2013 because the Chinese e-commerce giant had frozen the accounts of some Indian pharmaceutical dealers in the government-led campaign to crack down on the business.

    Liu said customs checks for imports from India have also been strengthened.

    "They used to just do one check in Beijing before April 2014. After that, another check was added at the destination city," Liu said.

    He is now contracted with a courier service company, which receives cash from customers upon delivery.

    "I contact customers, roughly 600, via cellphone and the QQ messenger service," he said. "But I never meet with them in person as it's a special business."

    He said his operations in India run as normal. "It's totally legitimate there."

    Jia Ping, a Beijing-based lawyer specializing in public health cases, said the Indian Patents Act, which was amended in 2005, legally bolstered the unlicensed production and marketing of the nation's generic drugs.

    The amendment stipulated that only new drug compounds developed after 1995 could be protected.

    Many new drugs are in fact improved versions of old drugs and thus not protected under the patent law, Jia said.

    Medecins Sans Frontieres, the international NGO committed to public health, says India makes at least one-fifth of the world's generic drugs, and about half the production is sold abroad, often illegally at a fraction of the cost.

    According to the National Central Cancer Registry, more than 3 million Chinese developed cancer and 1.96 million died in 2010.

    Wang Jinwan, a physician at the Cancer Institute and Hospital of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, expressed deep concern over the plight of patients who cannot afford the treatments.

    "I quite understand poor patients seeking to buy much cheaper drugs from India," Wang said.

    Seeing 20 cancer patients each day, he said at least one-third of them give up treatment because they can't afford it.

    He called on decision-makers to address the issue and help patients to stay alive longer if possible.

    "To some extent, Lu Yong in China and Ron Woodroof in Dallas Buyers Club are all heroes struggling for their own and other people's lives," he said.

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    Leukemia patient Lu Yong in jail in Yuanjiang, Hunan province, in January 2014, after he was detained by police for allegedly selling counterfeit drugs. Hong Kefei / for China Daily

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-01/28/content_19426250.htm


    Chinese people willing to go as far as going to jail to fight cancer

    Illegal sale of India-made cancer drugs puts Chinese couple on trial
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      Indian-made generic cancer drugs, often containing the same active ingredients as the patented medicines they are based on, sell at enormous discount compared with their patented counterparts, the report said. The vast majority of these drugs are not approved for sale in China.

      "Selling medicines produced overseas requires a certification by China's drug watchdog. If not, the drugs are seen as fake," Zhou said. In the court, Zhao said that he was trying to save people's lives, and that most of the drugs were brought for his friends instead for sale, local daily Modern Express reported.

      The case highlights India's persistent calls for China to open up its markets for Indian pharma products which have been widely approved for use in various countries to make them available for its citizens as well as to address the trade
      imbalance between the two countries
      . China says there are barriers but Indian pharmaceutical firms complain of lengthy procedures requiring years of testing for the drugs which have been approved in various markets abroad.

      Medicines in China mostly controlled by multinational markets are highly expensive making it extremely difficult for vast majority of Chinese to afford them. As a result number of Chinese traders are smuggling the Indian drugs into Chinese markets.

      India says the opening of pharma sector to it will also address the trade imbalance which is averaging over $35 billion every year. The bilateral trade volume amounts to $65.47 billion last year with balance of trade heavily tilted in favour of China. Chinese President Xi Jinping assured to address the issue during his visit to India in September this year.

      Zhou said that Zhao was sent to work in India in 2010, where he would often buy cancer medication for friends. Smelling a business opportunity, Zhao found local pharmaceutical agents willing to sell him drugs at marked-down prices and asked the agents to mail them to China.

      "They sold the medicines for over 320,000 yuan ($52,000) and made 100,000 yuan in profit," Zhou said. Local police arrested the couple in their house on 4 July after receiving a tip-off, discovering 31 boxes of generic drugs imported from India. The local procuratorate said that the medicine was not registered, and that in selling them Zhao and Ma broke the law, an offense punishable by a fine and up to three years in jail.

      Prosecutors on the case have requested sentences of a year and a half for both Zhao and Ma, with the possibility of reprieve. The court is yet to rule in the case, the Global Times report said.

      PTI

    • http://www.firstpost.com/world/ille...ugs-puts-chinese-couple-on-trial-1797567.html

     
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  4. eldarlmari

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    self-consolation post.
     
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    One of the Metro in India was built in Malaysia by CRRC. Any clue which city it was?
     
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    Our exports to China and Hong Kong had been rising steadily without any issue. I don't understand by this 'permit' in the article. What is this 'permit'? The author should have explained that.
     
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  7. Nilgiri

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    It refers to all brown people from the subcontinent.

    Go ask Pakistanis here if they have the word Accha in their Urdu language, lets see if you have the guts.

    Don't talk about crap you have no understanding of.

    Moreover, mockery in terms of the usage of
    racially based insults, typified by the derogatory term Ah Cha, appear to be
    in common currency in denoting people who have originated from the
    Indian subcontinent and having a darker complexion (Lai et al., 2009)


    https://www.researchgate.net/public...Analysis_of_Multiple_Intersecting_Oppressions
     
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    Read the link. It explains how Chinese crackers use banned chemicals which are highly toxic. Also, they are unstable and prone to misfire. As a person who has had the misfortune of having to buy thousands of dollars worth of crackers over the past decade for children, I should know.
     
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    No injuries, I presume?
     
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    Textbook example of typical Indian style of " A Thief Crying Thief"

    India, the "Undisputed fake Drugs Lord" on the planet earth, has been responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands people world wide
    India is considered as the main originator and distributor of SFFC drugs.
    Fake Drugs from India Present a Public Health Threat
    Feb 24 2014
    The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that one in five drugs made in India are fake and that fake pharmaceuticals are a $75 billion dollar global industry. A recent New York Times article points to India as one of the countries at the forefront of the problem, selling fake drugs locally and online to unsuspecting consumers worldwide.
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    In fact, counterfeit medicines in India are harming the most vulnerable populations.
    As you can see, the public-health consequences of the counterfeit drug trade are dire. Nearly 100,000 people die every year either because they’re poisoned by bad ingredients in counterfeit drugs or because the counterfeit doesn’t treat their illness. Limited access to medical care and effective treatments, the common practice of self-medication, and the availability of counterfeit drugs have also exacerbated drug resistance.
    https://safemedsonline.org/2014/02/fake-drugs-india-present-public-health-threat/
     
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  11. Syama Ayas

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    I knew this will hard to digest for some Chinese here, despite their contempt for mainlanders

    WHO has denied these claims

    WHO clarifies false media reports on India spurious

    There have been some baseless, irresponsible and malicious claims in the press stating, “WHO estimates that 1 in 5 drugs made in India is a fake” and “10% to 25% of drugs in India are spurious” However, the fact is that the WHO had clarified as recently as on August 31 2012 that there was no such study carried out by the WHO.

    WHO has also “regretted that occasionally some individuals in the media and the organizations use WHO references incorrectly and even irresponsibly.”

    PSM India Initiative would like to make the consumers aware that WHO has made no such claims.

    Kindly click on the following link that exhibits a letter from WHO India representative, Dr.Nata Menabde, who clearly states that all reports in this regard are false and totally unsubstantiated.

    http://www.safemedicinesindia.in/blog_inner.php?title=WHO clarifies false media reports on India spurious

    http://safemedicinesindia.in/PSMNewz/17Mar14/WHO-denial-on-spurious-drugs-study.pdf

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    Nothing serious. But really, the problem is not just with Chinese firecrackers. I find that crackers made anywhere apart from Sivakasi in Tamil Nadu are problematic. There are now a lot of locally-made crackers everywhere in India and they are even worse than the Chinese crackers.

    That said, there is a small point. I have seen that many of the firecrackers sold in Australia and US are also made in China. Now these cannot possibly be as unsafe as the ones sold here, as they would simply not pass quality and safety tests. So why are the Chinese crackers sold here so bad?

    I admit that part of the problem also lies in the failure of our own safety control regime. So banning them would be the best alternative I think.
     
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    Brother, NO-ONE in the world can insult the GREAT China. Within the next 15-20 years, China will become the world's 1st ever global hyper power. The most powerful nation to have ever existed. Even now, China can destroy any nation on earth. And there is nothing the enemies of China can do about it.
    So the ramblings of random inferior creatures on the net cannot change this fact.
     
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    You indian if you will pay more a little on products, you will get more better products, when we quote price, you importer just like to be killed: "NO NO NO NO NO, I NEED CHEAP"

    then what we should do please? dont you know the price base on quality??
     
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    I hope so, Bangladesh Railway has been undergoing a major modernization program and the modernization of the workshops are also in cards. China has so far been the largest partner in this modernization program.
     
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