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China's new destroyers: 'Power, prestige and majesty'

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  1. haidian

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    China's new destroyers: 'Power, prestige and majesty'
    By Brad Lendon, CNN
    Updated 9:24 PM ET, Fri July 13, 2018

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    Two Type 055 guided-missile destroyers take water at a shipyard on July 3, 2018 in Dalian, China. The Type 055 is the newest generation of Chinese guided-missile destroyer.

    Hong Kong (CNN)China's navy is getting bigger and better and doing it at a speed unmatched by any nation around the globe.

    Earlier this month, the People's Liberation Army Navy launched two 13,000-ton Type 055 guided-missile destroyers -- Asia's largest, most sophisticated and most lethal combat ships.

    "This ship in particular has a sophisticated design, stealth features, radars, and a large missile inventory. It is larger and more powerful than most US, Japanese, and South Korean destroyers," said Rand Corp. senior analyst Timothy Heath.

    The double launching shows Beijing's unmatched military shipbuilding ability and its desire to project naval power far from Chinese shores, said Heath and other military analysts.

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    One of the two Type 055 guided-missile destroyers takes water at a shipyard in Dailan.
    According to a report by China Daily, posted on the PLA's English-language website, the Type 055 will have double the firepower of China's Type 052D destroyers, which it said are currently "the largest and most powerful surface combatant commissioned in the PLA Navy."

    China says each new destroyer will have 112 vertical launch tubes, from which it can fire long-range attack missiles, the equivalent of the US Navy's Tomahawk missile used as recently as Washington's strikes in Syria this year.

    The missile launchers can also carry weaponry to target incoming aircraft, enemy ships and missiles. Anti-submarine warfare operations are the responsibility of two helicopters aboard each Type 055.

    The new destroyers also boast a stealth design and high-end electronic battle management system to integrate Chinese aircraft carrier battle groups, the China Daily report said.
    "This ship ... is designed for escorting Chinese aircraft carriers to more distant regions such as the Middle East," said Heath.

    That would give China a so-called "blue water" navy, one that can operate far from homeland coasts, something that right now only the US Navy can do in overwhelming numbers across the world's oceans.

    "The PLA Navy is progressively building a particularly well-defined 'blue water' fleet that will be in place at a certain date," said Peter Layton, a former Australian military officer and now fellow at the Griffith Asia Institute.

    'The majesty of the Chinese state'
    But through the Type 055's sheer size, it can send a message in waters closer to the Chinese mainland too.

    "The Type 55As are big, very big," said Layton."The ships are a demonstration of the power, prestige and indeed majesty of the Chinese state and its ruling party," he added.

    The Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam is the closest US match to China's new Type 055A destroyers.

    China's new ships displace about 3,000 more tons than US or South Korea warships that have been the ones to look up to in Asian waters.

    In the South China Sea, the Type 055As will have a considerable size advantage over the US Navy's 10,000-ton Ticonderoga-class cruisers and 9,000-ton US Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

    "The Type 55As handled aggressively they might be able to crowd US Navy ships out simply by their size," Layton said.

    In the optics test outside China, big is almost always better, he added.

    "It could be that China places more weight on naval diplomacy and thinks port visits from a very large warship will simply overawe the locals," Layton said.

    Back in China, the July 3 double launch made big statements about what the US and its Asian allies, and indeed the world, can expect from Beijing in the future.

    The two Type 055s join two others put into the water in June, 2017, and April this year. Those ships came off a production line in Shanghai. The most recent two came off lines in Dalian, in Liaoning province, according to the China Daily.

    It "showcases the enormous capacity of Chinese shipbuilders," Heath said. "Most countries, including the United States, usually launch one ship at a time due to limited shipyard manufacturing capacity."

    Maintaining two simultaneous production lines for one model of ship, especially in the same shipyard, is pricey, showing Beijing ranks delivery schedule as more important that cost, Heath said.

    "China will pay whatever it takes to get them finished to a specified deadline," he added.

    Matching the US Navy

    Beijing will pay whatever it takes to stand toe-to-toe with the US Navy, said Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center.

    He said he expects China to build around 20 of the high-end Type 055s and augment them with smaller Type 054 frigates and aircraft carriers in service or under construction to field four carrier battle groups by 2030.

    Other shipbuilding is under way for amphibious assault ships -- essentially baby aircraft carriers -- and helicopter platform docks that can move and deploy Marine ground battalions, said Schuster, now a Hawaii Pacific University professor.

    And China has been leaking through state media that it's working on things like an electromagnetic pulse cannon, hypersonic aircraft and the most modern of launching systems for its aircraft carriers, he said.

    "China is indeed sending the signal that it is both expanding the PLA Navy and equipping it with modern naval combatants equal to that of the US Navy," Schuster said.

    The China Daily report said the two Type 55As launched on July 3 would soon begin sea trials, where crew and engineers will make sure everything works as planned.

    Those trials have yet to be completed for the two previously launched Type 055s and no estimation was given on when they might actually be ready to be commissioned and join a carrier battle group.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/asia/china-new-destroyers-intl/index.html
     
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    Majesty... I like that. The Type 055 is definitely majestic.
     
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    is this the ship that claim to march straight to the indian ocean to beat the crap out of indian air force and navy in the indian ocean and then went on to the French shore and beat the crap of out French navy and airforce? WOW
     
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    China will not take the initiative to attack any country, but if any country wants to provoke China, if there is a country that believes that China like Japan can be defeated and slaved, then the Chinese People's Liberation Army will certainly teach this country a lesson, such as lesson learned by the United States in the Korean War.
     
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    In China people are joking saying that now China is churning out battle ships like dumping dumplings.
     
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    The commissioning of first ship is slow.
     
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    Power projection is essential for avoiding war at home.

    The greater weakness of China so far has been its incapacity to fight wars elsewhere to protect home (not for imperialist purposes).

    Thus, although China fights well and does sacrifice immensely for the protection of the mainland and thus drives back enemies, in the end, it is left with a burnt down home, reduced manpower, and backward economy.

    Now, the ideal is being slowly approached. Even when China has to fight elsewhere for the purpose of protecting Mainland and adjacent waters/islands (such as Hainan and Taiwan as well as SCS islands), manufacturing and normal life will go on in the Greater China.

    In this case, war indeed becomes a tool for diplomacy.

    The difference is and will be that China will never fight imperialist wars. We do not care which gods others worship, what internal politics others have... As long as they do not mess with China, China will not bring war to their home.
     
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    Hope S 400 would get its place in type 055 no mercy on hornets and lightning
     
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    S400 has no place on chinese air defense Agies ships```
     
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    So what SAM they instalnothing vetter than S 400 aegis is not superior to S 400
     
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    Chinese HQ-19 SAM...
     
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    That's always been an East Asia mentality bufferung up internal defense but lack power projection overseas, but that need to change. The new model should be the best defense is a great offense.
     
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    Definitely.

    The key concept here is "fighting wars elsewhere." This is obviously what China aims at.

    Without a truly blue water navy, that's impossible.

    Of course, major countries like US will not be affected much as they also have power projection ability. For them, nuclear second strike capability is enough.

    That's why Russia keeps humiliating the US globally and nothing happens.

    Kudos to Chairman Mao for making China a nuclear nation. He said, "To be anti atomic weapon, we first need to have it."
     
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    China's institutions have a habbit of buying most advanced Russian kits if it is possible, to keep track on others bests, learn valuable lessons of it. U.S does the same thing, but mostly through black market or spy````if U.S is willing to sell F-16s to us, we will buy few too````S 400's radar and guidance system is distinct to HQ-9 families (most people think its a S300 "copy" however far from that)``so it is impossible to blend it into PLAN's battleships air defence system`````S400 is not a aegis system, there are only two countries are capable of developing such system, U.S and China````the system is way more complicated than an air-to-air missile system
     
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