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Exactly my point soviets didn't use nuke and didn't fight in their territory, just proxy wars in far off lands. No one's going through your territory cause there will be no major war with India on our land, with our nuclear triad active we have ensured MAD with China and eventually with every other world power it will be achieved but currently we are China focused, yes we have a no first strike policy but let's be real if push comes to shove we will resort to the option, the major powers realize this hence keep confrontations to a minimum.
With more of our arihant class subs getting inducted and more k-4s inducted the balance will be maintained where no power will dare fight unless it is a 100% confident it can take out all of our nuclear assets at once, and with SSBNs in our inventory that is never gonna be the case.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arihant-class_submarine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-4_(missile)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagarika_(missile)
But dada , in a proxy war soviet union didn't survive, will your Indian union survive? ;)
 

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But dada , in a proxy war soviet union didn't survive, will your Indian union survive? ;)
Dada why will we get involved in proxy wars in the first place? Like our countries problems are not enough?, we are not soviets trying to keep people in a communist block or something, and we are not global policeman like USA, trade and fair enough relations will do, atleast for now :devil:
 

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we are not soviets trying to keep people in a communist block or something,
Good dada , don't elect BJP and don't let them make everyone hindutva or hindi speaker , don't make the same mistake as soviet did. :)
 

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Exactly my point soviets didn't use nuke and didn't fight in their territory, just proxy wars in far off lands. No one's going through your territory cause there will be no major war with India on our land, with our nuclear triad active we have ensured MAD with China and eventually with every other world power it will be achieved but currently we are China focused, yes we have a no first strike policy but let's be real if push comes to shove we will resort to the option, the major powers realize this hence keep confrontations to a minimum.
With more of our arihant class subs getting inducted and more k-4s inducted the balance will be maintained where no power will dare fight unless it is a 100% confident it can take out all of our nuclear assets at once, and with SSBNs in our inventory that is never gonna be the case.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arihant-class_submarine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-4_(missile)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagarika_(missile)
Instead of talking about nuclear weapons please talk about conventional war.

Can India win a war in Arunachal if BD does not allow IA troops to use its land, water, and sky? Please answer this simple question and do not talk more about the nuclear option.
 
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Instead of talking about nuclear weapons please talk about conventional war.

Can India win a war in Arunachal if BD does not allow IA troops to use its land, water, and sky? Please answer this and do not talk more about the nuclear option.
Why shouldn't I talk about nuclear? If MAD is ensured do you really think China will go into any major conflict with us? If China really wanted a major conflict would we really have such a huge trade along with military exercises(hand in hand exercises I think last happened in 2019), not to mention we are both part of SCO(where we also do military exercises together). Our conventional ramp up is make sure we dont need to resort to nuclear option in small scale conflicts and conflicts with non nuclear opponents if needed, not to forget conventional build up is also a deterrent to even small scale confrontations and can be used to show aggressive postures when needed.
But if you are talking of a hypothetical scenario, I would let other of my countrymen to answer that, that is a whole another world.
 

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Why shouldn't I talk about nuclear? If MAD is ensured do you really think China will go into any major conflict with us? If China really wanted a major conflict would we really have such a huge trade along with military exercises(hand in hand exercises I think last happened in 2019), not to mention we are both part of SCO(where we also do military exercises together). Our conventional ramp up is make sure we dont need to resort to nuclear option in small scale conflicts and conflicts with non nuclear opponents if needed, not to forget conventional build up is also a deterrent to even small scale confrontations and can be used to show aggressive postures when needed.
But if you are talking of a hypothetical scenario, I would let other of my countrymen to answer that, that is a whole another world.
You are again singing the same impractical nuclear song that was used only one/two times at the end of WWll, and never after. So, do not depend upon this obsolete weapon. Obsolete because it cannot be used.

Now, you can see in a war in your NE India will lose heavily to China because BD will not allow IA troops to use its land. Note also that the USA has little interest in whether you win or lose. It only wants to sell its expensive weapons.

So, come and beg BD to get its help instead of bullying only because it is small. However, there is little possibility to help India in such a conflict because we already know what the Indian mindset is.

Ask your Amit Shah to apologize to us openly if India does not want BD to directly assist China in times of war. In that case, India will lose the entire NE. I feel sorry for the grave Indian future.
 

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You are again singing the same impractical nuclear song that was used only one/two times at the end of WWll, and never after. So, do not depend upon this obsolete weapon. Obsolete because it cannot be used.

Now, you can see in a war in your NE India will lose heavily to China because BD will not allow IA troops to use its land. Note also that the USA has little interest in whether you win or lose. It only wants to sell its expensive weapons.

So, come and beg BD to get its help instead of bullying only because it is small. However, there is little possibility to help India in such a conflict because we already know what the Indian mindset is.

Ask your Amit Shah to apologize to us openly if India does not want BD to directly assist China in times of war. In that case, India will lose the entire NE. I feel sorry for the grave Indian future.
Areh Dada who is saying we will actually use nukes?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mut...ion (MAD) is,nuclear strike and second strike).
The basic idea is deterrence. Us and soviets only played proxy wars as there was fear of MAD, same here you might feel we will never use but do you really want to try? Put millions at risk of annihilation for a small area of land?
For the same reason China hasn't dared go into a major conflict only resorting to border skirmishes to show foreign policy, much superpower? :D
And that's just now, in the future China will not dare. Just check our SSBNs planned. We might even scrap our plans for a third aircraft carrier so that we can put same funds on our submarine fleet, both nuclear and conventional, this is to ensure just that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarines_of_the_Indian_Navy

Also don't forget our existing land and air based platforms. Agni 5 ICBMS(AGNI 6 comming up) comes to mind.
Check this - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
We are not fools to invest in such platforms aggressively mate.
 

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Areh Dada who is saying we will actually use nukes?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction#:~:text=Mutually assured destruction (MAD) is,nuclear strike and second strike).
The basic idea is deterrence. Us and soviets only played proxy wars as there was fear of MAD, same here you might feel we will never use but do you really want to try? Put millions at risk of annihilation for a small area of land?
For the same reason China hasn't dared go into a major conflict only resorting to border skirmishes to show foreign policy, much superpower? :D
And that's just now, in the future China will not dare. Just check our SSBNs planned. We might even scrap our plans for a third aircraft carrier so that we can put same funds on our submarine fleet, both nuclear and conventional, this is to ensure just that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarines_of_the_Indian_Navy

Also don't forget our existing land and air based platforms. Agni 5 ICBMS(AGNI 6 comming up) comes to mind.
Check this - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
We are not fools to invest in such platforms aggressively mate.
Yes, India has so many varieties of weapons including nuclear ones. However, at the end of the day, these will have little relevance in a frontal war involving infantry and tanks. India cannot protect the occupied Arunachal without getting passage through BD.

A neutral BD will cause India to lose in the NE war against China. India will not be able to supply its NE troops and in the meantime, Chinese tanks will be parachuted down from the 3 km high Himalayan mountain. This is what happened in 1962.

China understands the importance of BD neutrality in such a scenario but not your Amit Shah. This guy keeps on spewing nonsense all the time as if he is a Maratha marauder.

Note also that it was Bengal that had resisted two lines of Maratha invasion for a long ten years from 1740 to 1750 CE. One by Vasker Pundit, he was killed, and the other was Roghuji Bhosle. Learn to respect us. Not everyone is Hasina BIbi or BAL supporter.
 
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No dada , you won't use NUKE. Soviet didn't use NUKE too. What's the difference between bharat and soviet union dada?

I was answering your wise compatriot only, but is it possible that USA and West will arrange military against China to back up India? No right?

At best they can provide you backup through intelligence agency.

So no one will use NUKE and if Indian union will try to move military personnel through Bangladesh, will it remain united? Do you really have such power that you wi use our land by force?
What makes you think we won't. You think we fools to invest so much on nuclear missiles and subs.
Soviets and American didn't use nuclear weapons because they were fight only proxy wars of foreign soils through mostly their puppet states. They were not involved in open war with each other on their soil. Which won't be the case here.
Be assured a full scale India China war if happens will go ☢.
Good dada , don't elect BJP and don't let them make everyone hindutva or hindi speaker ,
My home state isn't a hindi speaking state but hindutva stronghold and we elected BJP :enjoy:.
Anyways whoever or whichever party people of India democratically elect is no ones else's concern :cheers:.
 
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What makes you think we won't. You think we fools to invest so much on nuclear missiles and subs.
Your rate of corona infection is more than 400,000 every day. Do you want your adversaries to kill you more with atomic bombs? India will be completely depopulated if something flies down from the north as well as from the west.

Anyway, do not think nuclear bombs are some plaything. So, better you take care of what you say.
 

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Yes, India has so many varieties of weapons including nuclear ones. However, at the end of the day, these will have little relevance in a frontal war involving infantry and tanks. India cannot protect the occupied Arunachal without getting passage through BD.

A neutral BD will cause India to lose in the NE war against China. India will not be able to supply its NE troops and in the meantime, Chinese tanks will be parachuted down from the 3 km high Himalayan mountain. This is what happened in 1962.

China understands the importance of BD neutrality in such a scenario but not your Amit Shah. This guy keeps on spewing nonsense all the time as if he is a Maratha marauder.

Note also that it was Bengal that had resisted two lines of Maratha invasion for a long ten years from 1740 to 1750 CE. One by Vasker Pundit, he was killed, and the other was Roghuji Bhosle. Learn to respect us. Not everyone is Hasina BIbi or BAL supporter.
Where did I disrespect Bangladesh? Just stating the reality of a scenario where India and China will go to war which many are relishing here. About nuclear weapons, I am not saying we will attack the advancing army with it, that's not the point, the deterrence comes because we can target actual cities of major population and major economic value. With Agni V ICBM Beijing can be targeted from India. China knows this more so than anyone else.
Ok let's take there is no MAD and no nuclear deterrence, I agree situation will not be ideal if we don't have BD support but there are two aspects to it - Our intelligence assets will inform us of such large scale build up near Arunachal and we will start defensive build up in north east from the start including making transport through the siliguri corridor better through infrastructure. Also our long range missiles wouldn't need to cross siliguri. It will basically be about making enemy losses so high that they don't entertain the idea of staying. Not to mention local Arunachalis are pro Indian who will help in any way through guerilla warfare.
At the end of the day though I don't see this situation coming to play, I don't know why you don't see the importance of having a nuclear triad, or are choosing to ignore it. There is literally zero value for China to risk death of so many citizens by waging full scale war against us, against a non nuclear opponent no one would bat an eye though. What could the world community do when Russia annexed Crimea except to watch and levy statements and sanctions, if ukraine had nukes Russia wouldn't have dared. Best deterrent against war is MAD.
 

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Where did I disrespect Bangladesh? Just stating the reality of a scenario where India and China will go to war which many are relishing here. About nuclear weapons, I am not saying we will attack the advancing army with it, that's not the point, the deterrence comes because we can target actual cities of major population and major economic value. With Agni V ICBM Beijing can be targeted from India. China knows this more so than anyone else.
You must be watching too many western war movies. Whatever fire your Agni missiles manage to throw at China it cannot cover all its supply routes to Arunachal and its south.

The final chapter of a possible war is done with the infantry, tanks, and jet planes of the two sides. So, your Agni and other big fires will have less impact on Chinese troops coming down to Arunachal by parachutes. China will send also its armored vehicles and tanks in a similar way south of the border in Arunachal.

So, please tell us how will you tackle this Chinese incursion without BD allowing you to replenish your troops in the NE through its land space.

Can you do it through the Chicken Neck? If not, India will have to vacate Arunachal.
 

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You must be watching too many western war movies. Whatever fire your Agni missiles manage to throw at China it cannot cover all its supply routes to Arunachal and its south.

The final chapter of a possible war is done with the infantry, tanks, and jet planes of the two sides. So, your Agni and other big fires will have less impact on Chinese troops coming down to Arunachal by parachutes. China will send also its armored vehicles and tanks in a similar way south of the border in Arunachal.

So, please tell us how will you tackle this Chinese incursion without BD allowing you to replenish your troops in the NE through its land space.

Can you do it through the Chicken Neck? If not, India will have to vacate Arunachal.
Let me put it simply man
India-China major war = Possibility of nuclear warfare
Nuclear warfare = millions dead, economy disrupted
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India-China major war = very less possibility
You are taking situation where we have actually fired, believe me if we fire they will fire back at us and millions upon millions will die, that is what MAD is, they won't just come forward with tanks, they don't need to as they also have long range nukes. So thinking of a major war between India-China is very less realistic. It is not in either countrie's interests, we are prepared conventionaly, we need to show the aggression and military might to prevent small scale skirmishes like Galwan as that also is a deterrent but major war between nuclear powers? Unless you have a suicidal maniac running the show ready to risk nuclear warfare, it ain't happening.
 

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Let me put it simply man
India-China major war = Possibility of nuclear warfare
Nuclear warfare = millions dead, economy disrupted
Hence
India-China major war = very less possibility
You are taking situation where we have actually fired, believe me if we fire they will fire back at us and millions upon millions will die, that is what MAD is, they won't just come forward with tanks, they don't need to as they also have long range nukes. So thinking of a major war between India-China is very less realistic. It is not in either countrie's interests, we are prepared conventionaly, we need to show the aggression and military might to prevent small scale skirmishes like Galwan as that also is a deterrent but major war between nuclear powers? Unless you have a suicidal maniac running the show ready to risk nuclear warfare, it ain't happening.
You are too stupid to keep on bringing in the same nuclear song. Talk sane and talk conventional that India will lose within seven days if BD does not do a little cooperation with India.

So, come and beg us to do you the favor.
 

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