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China Spends More on Domestic Security as Xi’s Powers Grow

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  1. takeitwithyou

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    BEIJING—China’s government has substantially increased spending on domestic security, official figures show, reflecting mounting concern about threats inside its borders as President Xi Jinping moves to acquire more power and reassert the authority of the Communist Party.

    Beijing’s budgets for internal and external security have grown faster than the economy as a whole for several years, but domestic security spending has grown far faster—to where it exceeds the national defense budget by roughly 20%.

    Across China, domestic security accounted for 6.1% of government spending in 2017, the Ministry of Finance said. That translates into 1.24 trillion yuan ($190 billion) and compares with 1.02 trillion yuan in central government funding for the military.

    The numbers, revealed in an annual budget report released this week, help illustrate the scale of a recent ramping up of security and surveillance across China, particularly in Xinjiang and Tibet, minority-heavy areas on the country’s periphery.

    In Xinjiang (THESE HAVE A LARGE MUSLIM COMMUNITY) the government has woven a web of surveillance, with checkpoints, high-definition cameras, facial scanners and street patrols; the region spent $9.1 billion on domestic security in 2017, a 92% increase from 2016, according to local government budget data.

    Spending across the country on domestic security rose 12.4% last year; in 2016, spending increased 17.6%, official data show.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-spends-more-on-domestic-security-as-xis-powers-grow-1520358522
     
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    Making sure his sheep are in-line
     
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  3. Nan Yang

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    US have more police per population and they are armed to the teeth.
    So how much do United States spends ?
     
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    The US has more prisioners than China despite of only 25% of population and the US is famous for their police brutality.

    So China still has a very very very long way to catch the US in this department if ever.
     
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    You mean like this...



    This is about state surveillance, not the police. But then again, you are so terrified of the state that you are so compliant to whatever the state want anyway.
     
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    US also has relaxed gun laws. Let Chinese citizens have guns too and then compare your parameters. Probably CCP will arm Chinese police with tanks and nukes then.
     
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    Okay I am very pro American but when an American makes a post about China spending more on "domestic" security, it's like pot calling the kettle black. The U.S has spend 740 Billion USD on domestic security since 9/11 which includes unethical hacking of entire server blades and TDMs to tap into emails, calls and even application layer protocols.

    https://www.ft.com/content/60886c9e-d892-11e0-8f0a-00144feabdc0

    China is a growing player, it faces dissent and threat from ETIM and other criminal/terrorist elements and has every right to increase its spending on domestic security.
     
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    There is a categorical difference between US and China. For starter, China's domestic surveillance is primarily about keeping ideological and political dissent to a minimum. For US, it is about terrorism. Our methods were indeed unethical, but that was because of the fear of another 9/11 or something similar, existing laws and regulations that failed to keep up with technology, and yes, sometimes just plain unethical people at the ideal place. At least we have the realization that it is unethical and are still trying to mend it.

    In the end, the forum's Chinese membership will support it blindly. In the past, their responses have range anywhere from the submissive -- if the government does it there must be a good reason why so I will support it -- to those who understood that it is not a good thing but will wordsmith their support in torturous ways.

    I just think it is funny that despite so often they expressed their unconditional support for social stability for China, they get offended every time discussions about state surveillance for ideological and political reasons as nefarious by bringing in what the US does in response to terrorism. If what the Chinese government does is good for social stability -- be proud of it. No need to compare against US. Point out where we are deficient in techniques and methods. Extol the virtues of state wisdom, dominance, and leadership in thoughts, and that it is good for the Chinese people overall that they have such an iron fist government. :enjoy:
     
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    Is this the best a think tank can do? Do you know a quick search on YouTube and I can find you a lot of US brutality videos recorded by individuals.
    Back to the topic. Xi is right on spending domestic security because no external forces can win a war with China in the modern era.
     
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  10. gambit

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    Same for your China.

    Domestic security against who/what? Your own citizens who dares to have divergent thoughts? Do YOU like living where the state watches your every move? If the state can forbid you from reading Playboy, would you obey the state if it assign you a wife?

    But look at post 8, buddy.

    Why are you guys so defensive to the point that you have to search out US police brutality to make Chinese state surveillance and control more acceptable? If what the Chinese government is doing is so righteous, not only that you should, but that you MUST extol the virtues of such a surveillance state. It IS righteous, no? The surveillance state is THE ideal status of being between a subject and the government, and the Chinese surveillance state is the best yet.

    Note I said 'subject' and not 'citizen'.
     
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