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China re-affirm its position on Kashmir to Indian delegation

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  1. crankthatskunk

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    China has re-affirm its position on recent Indian's steps in Kashmir to Indian delegates.


     
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    China has taken stance or used strict words on abrogation of article 370, if any, is bcz of its issue with india on Ladakh n Aksai chin not bcz it has some friendship fantasies with pakistan..

    Just making the difference
     
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    We need all five members of unsc on our side.. if anyone of them vetos, the case will be lost forever.
     
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    The will not veto it I am certain of it. But it would be same mumbo jumbo of resolving it according to bilateral or UN resolution, nothing concrete would come out of it.
     
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    If we're relying on the UN to solve this then it's lost anyway.
    We will need to grab the bull by the horns and do this ourselves regardless of what anyone else thinks.
     
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    Would have taken this seriously had they stop issuing visas for Manas sarovar...

    Even if they are objecting it's merely a lip service
     
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    Ladakh UT involves our territory: China Foreign Minister Wang to Jaishankar

    China Foreign Minister Wang told S Jaishankar that the Indian government's announcement of the establishment of the Ladakh Union Territory, "which involves Chinese territory, has posed a challenge to China's sovereignty and violated the two countries' agreement on maintaining peace and stability in the border region".

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    Wang said China was concerned about the current Kashmir situation and the escalating India-Pakistan conflict. (Photo: Reuters/AP)

    China, whose forces regularly intrude into Ladakh, stuck to its opposition to the creation of Ladakh Union Territory, with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi telling his Indian counterpart S Jaishankar that the move "involves Chinese territory".

    Wang told Jaishankar that the Indian government's announcement of the establishment of the Ladakh Union Territory, "which involves Chinese territory, has posed a challenge to China's sovereignty and violated the two countries' agreement on maintaining peace and stability in the border region".

    Jaishankar has conveyed to Wang that the creation of Ladakh has "no implication for either the external boundaries of India or the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China" and that "India was not raising any additional territorial claims".

    "India's move is neither valid to China nor will change the status quo - that China exercises sovereignty and administrative jurisdiction over the territories involved", the Global Times quoted Wang as saying, quoting a Chinese Foreign Ministry statement.

    Wang said China was concerned about the current Kashmir situation and the escalating India-Pakistan conflict. "India's move to end the constitutional status of Jammu Kashmir will change the status quo of the disputed area and result in regional tensions," he added.

    China believes any unilateral action that may complicate the situation in Kashmir should not be taken, Wang said at the meeting.

    The paper noted that though Jaishankar's visit was predetermined, "many observers called it an 'emergency visit' because it came after Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi made an emergency visit to China Friday evening and briefed Wang on Pakistan's views, position and countermeasures on Kashmir".


    The state-run daily quoted "Chinese observers" to say that "India's move was reckless. They noted that Kashmir is a powderkeg filled with territorial disputes and ethnic and regional conflicts. They added that the situation is not India's 'internal affairs'."

    "New Delhi's unilateral decision will bite India back in the future," warned Chinese experts.

    "Scraping (sic) Kashmir's special status is just a carnival of nationalism. If the Indian government continues hyping this mood, it will become more and more radical and will surely backfire," it said, quoting Zhao Gancheng, Director of the Center for Asia-Pacific Studies at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies.

    "A radical and nationalistic India won't be embraced by Asia," Zhao told the Global Times.

    "India's rise needs a peaceful neighborhood, and provoking Pakistan is not a good way to solve it," Zhao said
    https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india...n-minister-wang-jaishankar-1580357-2019-08-13

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    Your FM is in China, begging not to take this issue in UNSC and further internationalise the issue.
     
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    What exactly did you expect the Chinese to do? Do another 1962 on you guys. The Chinese have made a robust stand and I am sure FM SMQ will be very pleased with this. We all agree that war is not a solution. In the given circumstances this issue needs to be 'shouted' at every opportunity. If the Kashmiri insurgency get's a further fillip then India will struggle to paint it as terrorism.

    Pakistan should work toward -

    • raising the Kashmiri struggle as a indigenous rights movement against a external oppressor India. I certainly think what India has done will now help this narrative. For Pakistan the goal should be Timor Leste.

    • to do this Pakistan needs to leverage it's friends in international fora to make a ruckus about it. Arguably the ummah has been exposed as a Pakistani fairy tale. Hoping that now the Pakistani state [it was heartening to see SMQ accept that there is no ummah publicly] and people wake up to the reality of profit/loss in international relations.

    • a robust posture with India. No pretends about desi, we all same, Bolly dancing feel good dreams. Pakistan is Pakistan. Lock the border and build a united strong Pakistan. A mighty federation of the peoples of Indus.

    • focus on education, economy. That is what will help the Kashmiri's in the long run. A strong, prosperous Pakistan.

    • a strong international media drive to grab the global narrative on Kashmir which should be "Indian oppressors, Kashmiri victims". I am glad thanks to PMIK strong profile across the globe papers like Le Monde [traditionally pro India], WSJ etc are begining to give apologetic coverage to occupied Kashmir.

    The solution to Kashmir now is going to be through, slow, deliberate, patient actions. There was a time for fast, muscular action but that was blown by Pakistan way back in 1947 and 1962.

    @Mangus Ortus Novem
     
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    Lip service or not, rest assured like with our nuclear weapons program, the Chinese will secretly be supplying Pakistan with advanced high-tech weapons systems including WMD that will enable Pakistan to defeat india in a war should it occur..... :azn:

    Despite all the rhetoric, big talk and hot air, ever wondered why india remains FAR TOO weak, powerless and incapable of fighting the Pakistan military even though they are 7× bigger than Pakistan and have the full backing if the West and Russia?..........:azn:.....the above explains......:azn:
     
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    Do you honestly think that the zionist led US, UK and France are gonna favour honestly and truth?
     
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  12. Joe Shearer

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    If you say so, dear Sir. Perhaps the word 'robust' is different in democratic Pakistan from its meaning in fascist India. But whatever you say.

    This is a welcome statement, and a radical proposal for a change in stance, and I will not insult your intelligence by reminding you that it is indeed a change.

    One fails to see any change in this stance.

    Regrettably, the boys and the bhais may not agree; you hold my fascinated interest as we follow events in the future.

    The greatest enemy of India is the Indian government. If I were as wise as you, my counsel to my people would be to lie low and do nothing.

    One is faced with the spectre of imitation being the most sincere form of flattery. Prepare to be flattered, in season and out of season.
    An interesting proposal.

    How long do you expect the process of making these friends to occupy? Presumably, since one major plank of past policy now is reduced to matchsticks, the intention is to use economic power. Or perhaps to revive the Afghan war and prove once again to the world that a nation that can be the best of friends can also be the worst of enemies. This would of course require a U turn in the current direction, but consistency is a mere word. As has been said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.." That would seem to cover all the options available.

    Again, a fascinating option. One can only hope that the consequences of draining this particular swamp are understood. On another forum, in a galaxy far, far away, I am being introduced to the wonders and fascinations of - wait for it - Bollywood song and dance. On being challenged, I did manage to find a Hindi film song that I have heard in the last decade. It was a struggle, and my young friend was very understanding.

    But perhaps this process will be in step with that of winning friends and influencing people.

    This begs the question: sans a crisis central to your psychological well-being, is your proposed course of action not a good one? Do we now see the dreadful sight of an Indian Prime Minister of dubious antecedents being awarded Pakistan's highest civilian award for reminding the nation that education and a strong economy are useful aspects of nation-building? (On an aside, the last time this bizarre step was taken, Pakistan honoured a piss-drinker; is that what taking the piss means?).

    As another aside, a strong, prosperous Pakistan will also help Pakistan.

    My very dear Sir, by saying this, you do not know what demons you stand in peril of unleashing. Think of the Indian media before and after saffronisation.

    Point well made; something - some more dates - might be added to it, but why gild the lily?
     
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    The use of 'robust' was with referance to other so called 'friends' of Pakistan.
     
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    You know very well that you are being teased.
     
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    And I must confess I have used this 'opportunity' to expose the whole ummah pipedream. It stands as exposed as I was the day I gasped my first gulp of air.
     
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