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I admire the aggression of the Chinese production, desire, speed, and will to advance against time.. It is as if China has places to be that is how they are building now.. Building like they are late for a meeting
 

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Military Industrial Complex wants more money as if the biggest military budget in the world by far isn't enough. They will spend US into bankruptcy assuaging it's own paranoia and greed.
Their Congress/Govt are pushing for unprecedented level of military spend ($768B for DoD alone, excluding other agencies) and of course debt ceiling (by now $29T), again. For the sake of convenience this time they almost treat the two agenda as one "package".

 
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I wonder where your first-hand accounts are from. I know for a fact many expatriate Chinese in the West loath regularly their home country, using defunct, exaggerated, and twisted stories about China. But from those I have talked to, China does not limit the most, most majority of its citizens traveling overseas. The only limiting factor is money. As far as 'university professors' are concerned, they were free to visit and exchange too. However, it's the West, mostly US and its Anglo-Saxan circle, that places restriction on the exchange of university professors. I knew both Chinese professors and never heard of any foreign scholars not allowed to teach in China. So your stories, ranting, are just CRAPS and lies. Talk about globalization by the West. ROFL. Which country started this global supply chain storm by choking on globalization? You don't need to have a normal IQ and above average reading skills to find out the answer. It's just your 'limited' and 'biased' mind that prevents you from learning.
I guess you misunderstood my point. I am not talking about Chinese expats overseas or Chinese national traveling overseas.

I am talking about foreign experts working in China. To them, even those professors on a long term contract, China remains very much closed. Again, I know first hand accounts.

Think about it, if a model does not provide global public goods to others, there is no reason for others to support that model because it works wonder for its own constituency only.

Globalization means openness. Under COVID, China has so far given somewhat a selfish posture. Noone asks free, uncontrolled entry, but even under quarantine rules, those with contracts are denied entry.

That's bad faith. That's a breach of contract, promise. That's where the US/West, with all its shortcomings, remains a better option for third parties. The experience of past two years shows that China's current conceptualization of globalization is scary. It does not offer anything.
 

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I guess you misunderstood my point. I am not talking about Chinese expats overseas or Chinese national traveling overseas.

I am talking about foreign experts working in China. To them, even those professors on a long term contract, China remains very much closed. Again, I know first hand accounts.

Think about it, if a model does not provide global public goods to others, there is no reason for others to support that model because it works wonder for its own constituency only.

Globalization means openness. Under COVID, China has so far given somewhat a selfish posture. Noone asks free, uncontrolled entry, but even under quarantine rules, those with contracts are denied entry.

That's bad faith. That's a breach of contract, promise. That's where the US/West, with all its shortcomings, remains a better option for third parties. The experience of past two years shows that China's current conceptualization of globalization is scary. It does not offer anything.
Are you based in China and if yes where in China?
 

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I guess you misunderstood my point. I am not talking about Chinese expats overseas or Chinese national traveling overseas.

I am talking about foreign experts working in China. To them, even those professors on a long term contract, China remains very much closed. Again, I know first hand accounts.

Think about it, if a model does not provide global public goods to others, there is no reason for others to support that model because it works wonder for its own constituency only.

Globalization means openness. Under COVID, China has so far given somewhat a selfish posture. Noone asks free, uncontrolled entry, but even under quarantine rules, those with contracts are denied entry.

That's bad faith. That's a breach of contract, promise. That's where the US/West, with all its shortcomings, remains a better option for third parties. The experience of past two years shows that China's current conceptualization of globalization is scary. It does not offer anything.
Your argument makes little sense. In any rule of law country, public safety would prioritize or supercede commercial or legal contracts -- especially if the government is not itself the contracting party but the one safeguarding everyone's safety. Similarly, a US president can declare state of emergency and lock down whereever or whoever it wants. You just haven't graced the US history beyond the social media. In fact, I think the Executive Branch of the US government has gathered too much power over the decades of Congress incompetence. That fact allows the US President power to abuse the power, to abort and not abide to international contracts, agreements, standards, etc. Such is especially illustrated by the Trump regime. Globalization? Flushed down the drain. Commitments to allies? Beep deleted. Trades and exchanges? Uh-uh, these violate the national seccurity protocols which I don't have to tell you how, why, which, or what.
 

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I guess you misunderstood my point. I am not talking about Chinese expats overseas or Chinese national traveling overseas.

I am talking about foreign experts working in China. To them, even those professors on a long term contract, China remains very much closed. Again, I know first hand accounts.

Think about it, if a model does not provide global public goods to others, there is no reason for others to support that model because it works wonder for its own constituency only.

Globalization means openness. Under COVID, China has so far given somewhat a selfish posture. Noone asks free, uncontrolled entry, but even under quarantine rules, those with contracts are denied entry.

That's bad faith. That's a breach of contract, promise. That's where the US/West, with all its shortcomings, remains a better option for third parties. The experience of past two years shows that China's current conceptualization of globalization is scary. It does not offer anything.
China's stability is above all else. If you think this is selfish, there is nothing to discuss. This is the conclusion and the premise.

How much anti-epidemic materials did China provide to the world during the epidemic? China has not even increased prices.

As for the model of globalization that is different from the Western-led model, my personal understanding of the Chinese version of globalization is that every country can gradually develop and its infrastructure is gradually improved. People in every country don’t have to worry about war. Everyone can live and work in peace and contentment. China will attract some outstanding talents to work but large-scale immigration will not occur.
 

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People have short memory.

Remember this.................. In 2012. Obama / Hilary announced the US Navy PIVOT TO EAST ASIA.
60% of US naval asset would be station in East Asia.

At that time US had much more advance warships with more tonnage than China. China only had a few advance destroyers and 1 aircraft carrier (Being the last UNSC veto member to have an aircraft carrier).

This Pivot to Asia policy was a direct challenge to China. China said they will take action.

Now fast forward 10 years.... Now does the US feel now ? Do they regret ?
No, they do not. United States are an empire in search of an enemy that will justify military spending.

China's stability is above all else. If you think this is selfish, there is nothing to discuss. This is the conclusion and the premise.

How much anti-epidemic materials did China provide to the world during the epidemic? China has not even increased prices.

As for the model of globalization that is different from the Western-led model, my personal understanding of the Chinese version of globalization is that every country can gradually develop and its infrastructure is gradually improved. People in every country don’t have to worry about war. Everyone can live and work in peace and contentment. China will attract some outstanding talents to work but large-scale immigration will not occur.
China is even helping Croatia with infrastructure projects, despite Croatia being a US vassal... of course, China also profits from strengthening ties with other countries, so it is not all benevolent - there is a cold calculation there - but still...
 

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China's stability is above all else. If you think this is selfish, there is nothing to discuss. This is the conclusion and the premise.

How much anti-epidemic materials did China provide to the world during the epidemic? China has not even increased prices.

As for the model of globalization that is different from the Western-led model, my personal understanding of the Chinese version of globalization is that every country can gradually develop and its infrastructure is gradually improved. People in every country don’t have to worry about war. Everyone can live and work in peace and contentment. China will attract some outstanding talents to work but large-scale immigration will not occur.
Qing dynasties also made 1,000 warship navy in 22 years

it was sunk by tiny Royal Navy in 22 days

looks like Chinese never learnt the lesson
 

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Don't care what yankeestanis and west Taiwanese circle jerk fetishists do to each other...as long as my supply of AAA beef and Sichuan peppers are not threatened.
 

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Qing dynasties also made 1,000 warship navy in 22 years

it was sunk by tiny Royal Navy in 22 days

looks like Chinese never learnt the lesson
Why not ask what the British navy thinks of the Chinese navy now?
 

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Qing dynasties also made 1,000 warship navy in 22 years

it was sunk by tiny Royal Navy in 22 days

looks like Chinese never learnt the lesson
Haha, Qing dynasty, why not Tang dynasty? Qing dynasty did cede Hong kong to Britain over 100 years ago, but does Britain still has the guts to have Hong kong today? Glory of the British empire had long gone, you think tank analyst can not analyse this common sense?
 

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China's Could Realistically to Build Four Carriers By This Year
The People’s Liberation Army Navy—more commonly known outside of China as the Chinese Navy—is modernizing at a breakneck pace. Chinese shipbuilders have built more than one hundred warships in the past decade, a build rate outstripping the mighty U.S. Navy. Most importantly, China now has two aircraft carriers—Liaoning and a second ship under sea trials—and a third and possibly fourth ship under construction.
The People’s Liberation Army Navy carrier fleet is a rapidly growing force shaping up to be a powerful, flexible tool of statecraft and war. Beijing could realistically have four aircraft carriers by 2022—a remarkable feat of military construction.

 

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Qing dynasties also made 1,000 warship navy in 22 years

it was sunk by tiny Royal Navy in 22 days

looks like Chinese never learnt the lesson
That never happend. Those aformentioned navies never actually even had a chance to meet, but I guess you are more of a "think tank analysts with British/American characteristics" who doesnt need to learn any lessons about real history before running his mouth off to cope with reality.
 

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