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NEW DELHI: China has conveyed to foreign diplomats in Beijing that troops of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) have been waiting patiently at the Doklam plateau in a standoff with Indian troops, but will not wait for an indefinite period, the Indian Express said on Tuesday.

Quoting an unnamed P5 official privy to the briefing, the newspaper said the diplomatic community in Beijing is worried and some have conveyed this message to their Indian counterparts in Beijing and Bhutanese counterparts in New Delhi.

Last month, Indian troops blocked Chinese road works in Doklam and have since been in a faceoff with PLA troops. Beijing has been insisting that New Delhi back down.

Sources told the Indian Express that Chinese officials, at a closed-door briefing last week, conveyed their version of events to diplomats stationed in Beijing. Some of the G-20 countries have been briefed by the Chinese government separately, the Express said.

Diplomatic community has been informed that dispute is between China and Bhutan, but Indian soldiers have jumped in

“Our colleagues in Beijing attended the briefing and were given the impression that the Chinese side will not be waiting for an indefinite period. This is quite worrying, and we have conveyed it to our Indian colleagues in Beijing and Bhutanese colleagues in Delhi,” a diplomat from one of the P-5 (permanent members of the UN Security Council) countries, told the Indian Express.

The diplomatic community in Beijing has been told that the dispute is between China and Bhutan, and the Indian soldiers have “jumped in”.

“They have told our colleagues in Beijing that the Indian side has trespassed into Chinese territory and changed the status quo,” the diplomat told the paper.

This is contrary to what India has said, the newspaper stated. In its June 30 statement, New Delhi said it is “deeply concerned” at “recent Chinese actions” and has conveyed to the Chinese government that such construction will represent a “significant change of status quo with serious security implications for India”.

The Chinese have told diplomats in Beijing that they have strong evidence to prove that Doklam belongs to China. They say Doklam has always been the “traditional pasture for Chinese border inhabitants” and that their archives still retain “some receipts of the grass tax paid by Bhutanese herdsmen”.

They maintain that Indian troops must pull back to the Indian side of the boundary unconditionally and immediately, which is a precondition for meaningful dialogue between China and India.

Meanwhile, a Chinese foreign ministry statement on Tuesday asked India not to use “trespass” into Doklam area as a “policy tool” to achieve its political targets.

The foreign ministry, quoted by the Express, also asked India to immediately withdraw its troops in order to avoid any kind of escalation.

On being asked if a “closed-door briefing” was held with the foreign diplomats to convey China’s version of events, the foreign ministry said it was in “close communication” with the foreign missions in Beijing, but refused to confirm the meeting, the Express said.

“Since the illegal trespass by Indian border personnel, many foreign diplomats in China felt shocked about this and [wanted] to confirm whether it was true,” the ministry’s spokesman Lu Kang said when asked about the reported briefing.

“The Chinese side maintains close communication with the foreign diplomatic missions on the issues they are interested,” Lu told reporters in Beijing.

Published in Dawn, July 19th, 2017
 
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Very funny!!! chinese clowns have started to tone down the rhetoric, initially they were talking about attack now it has come down to losing patience.
 

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Very funny!!! chinese clowns have started to tone down the rhetoric, initially they were talking about attack now it has come down to losing patience.
Toned down? If you guys haven't learned any thing about Beijing's diplomatic procedures and parlance, then indeed, you have not learned any thing at all since the last conflict.
 

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India wont back down and let the Chinese bully with a tiny Bhutan ...

Security of Bhutan is responsibility of India which we have described in past as Any Invasion of Bhutan will be treated as a Invasion on India...

Chinese actions are pushing India reluctantly into a military alliance with Japan and USA ... Thats what the last thing in this world that the Chinese would want...
 
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NEW DELHI: China has conveyed to foreign diplomats in Beijing that troops of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) have been waiting patiently at the Doklam plateau in a standoff with Indian troops, but will not wait for an indefinite period, the Indian Express said on Tuesday.

Quoting an unnamed P5 official privy to the briefing, the newspaper said the diplomatic community in Beijing is worried and some have conveyed this message to their Indian counterparts in Beijing and Bhutanese counterparts in New Delhi.

Last month, Indian troops blocked Chinese road works in Doklam and have since been in a faceoff with PLA troops. Beijing has been insisting that New Delhi back down.

Sources told the Indian Express that Chinese officials, at a closed-door briefing last week, conveyed their version of events to diplomats stationed in Beijing. Some of the G-20 countries have been briefed by the Chinese government separately, the Express said.

Diplomatic community has been informed that dispute is between China and Bhutan, but Indian soldiers have jumped in

“Our colleagues in Beijing attended the briefing and were given the impression that the Chinese side will not be waiting for an indefinite period. This is quite worrying, and we have conveyed it to our Indian colleagues in Beijing and Bhutanese colleagues in Delhi,” a diplomat from one of the P-5 (permanent members of the UN Security Council) countries, told the Indian Express.

The diplomatic community in Beijing has been told that the dispute is between China and Bhutan, and the Indian soldiers have “jumped in”.

“They have told our colleagues in Beijing that the Indian side has trespassed into Chinese territory and changed the status quo,” the diplomat told the paper.

This is contrary to what India has said, the newspaper stated. In its June 30 statement, New Delhi said it is “deeply concerned” at “recent Chinese actions” and has conveyed to the Chinese government that such construction will represent a “significant change of status quo with serious security implications for India”.

The Chinese have told diplomats in Beijing that they have strong evidence to prove that Doklam belongs to China. They say Doklam has always been the “traditional pasture for Chinese border inhabitants” and that their archives still retain “some receipts of the grass tax paid by Bhutanese herdsmen”.

They maintain that Indian troops must pull back to the Indian side of the boundary unconditionally and immediately, which is a precondition for meaningful dialogue between China and India.

Meanwhile, a Chinese foreign ministry statement on Tuesday asked India not to use “trespass” into Doklam area as a “policy tool” to achieve its political targets.

The foreign ministry, quoted by the Express, also asked India to immediately withdraw its troops in order to avoid any kind of escalation.

On being asked if a “closed-door briefing” was held with the foreign diplomats to convey China’s version of events, the foreign ministry said it was in “close communication” with the foreign missions in Beijing, but refused to confirm the meeting, the Express said.

“Since the illegal trespass by Indian border personnel, many foreign diplomats in China felt shocked about this and [wanted] to confirm whether it was true,” the ministry’s spokesman Lu Kang said when asked about the reported briefing.

“The Chinese side maintains close communication with the foreign diplomatic missions on the issues they are interested,” Lu told reporters in Beijing.

Published in Dawn, July 19th, 2017
Let the music begin... its been more than 2 months ... this randi rona by China has been going on since... attack if you have balls or shut the hell up.
 

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Toned down? If you guys haven't learned any thing about Beijing's diplomatic procedures and parlance, then indeed, you have not learned any thing at all since the last conflict.
Stop making a fool of yourself, this kind of diplomatic procedures and parlance is performed every week against the chinese by its neighbors. No one in the world believes the communists and their lies.
 

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Let the music begin... its been more than 2 months ... this randi rona by China has been going on since... attack if you have balls or shut the hell up.
China between hard and rock place. China and India has billions of dollar trade. Well, both will be on losing end.... but seems someone is trying to push India to confront China....

India wont back down and let the Chinese bully with a tiny Bhutan ...

Security of Bhutan is responsibility of India which we have described in past as Any Invasion of Bhutan will be treated as a Invasion on India...

Chinese actions are pushing India reluctantly into a military alliance with Japan and USA ... Thats what the last thing in this world that the Chinese would want...
Do they have any written agreement ?
 

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China between hard and rock place. China and India has billions of dollar trade. Well, both will be on losing end.... but seems someone is trying to push India to confront China....


Do they have any written agreement ?
Bhutan has no written agreement with india. It's all a one-sided love affair. Take note, 'till now, Bhutan has NOT officially endorse indian narrative of protecting Bhutan.
 

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Waite till dragon unleash than destruction. Bohat maren ge chine Balke maren ge kam Ghasiten ge ziyada:lol:
 
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China between hard and rock place. China and India has billions of dollar trade. Well, both will be on losing end.... but seems someone is trying to push India to confront China....
China thinks it can bully its way into territorial expansion.. that is not going to happen... China also knows India holds the trade card against China.. as the balance of trade allows India to pull levers.. no matter how small it looks a 60 billion USD is a significant contribution to China export. so Chine should worry..This war war ranting will continue to build pressure on China alone.. all India needs to do is sit tight and watch China do shadow boxing and exhaust itself of options...

Diplomatically speaking: China has painted itself into a corner by escalating the war hysteria, knowing very well that war is not a possibility in near or long term.


Do they have any written agreement ?
Yes

Bhutan has no written agreement with india. It's all a one-sided love affair. Take note, 'till now, Bhutan has NOT officially endorse indian narrative of protecting Bhutan.
Read this my under educated Chinese friend: https://mea.gov.in/Images/pdf/india-bhutan-treaty-07.pdf
 

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India wont back down and let the Chinese bully with a tiny Bhutan ...

Security of Bhutan is responsibility of India which we have described in past as Any Invasion of Bhutan will be treated as a Invasion on India...

Chinese actions are pushing India reluctantly into a military alliance with Japan and USA ... Thats what the last thing in this world that the Chinese would want...
Typical Indian mentality. Being an aggressor and invader itself. Keep being in denial and accuse Chinese as invading. Maybe next time you can claim China invades Beijing. And Indian is a victim?
 

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The Doklam Standoff between China and India is more complex that what is made to appear.

The public may be under the impression that Indian soldiers are still at Doklam side claimed by China. That cannot be true. Indian soldiers had gone into the disputed area between China and Bhutan upon which India has no claim of her own. However, it is apparent that the Indian soldiers were pushed back and subsequently Chinese soldiers had entered the Indian line on Sikkim side and even destroyed few border post make do shelter of the Indian Army. So now both must be at their original post albeit with additional re- inforcement.

The video footages in fb of Chinese and Indian soldiers confronting each other are of different times and at different place , not at Doklam. The Indian Army has been very tight lipped about the present Doklam incident. Therefore, there is no chance of them sharing video footages.

In the year 2012, India and China had agreed not to interfere into border issues that India or China may have with Bhutan or Burma ( Myanmar) at tri-junction boundaries. And on that basis, the Border Agreement between Indian Sikkim and Chinese Tibet was finalised. It seems that both the Doklam status of China and the Nathu La Trade Route Opening were part of several overall understandings reached between India and China. Also during the Sino- Bhutan Border Talks, the Chinese position on Doklam Plateau was very clear and firm from the very beginning. Bhutan understood the Chinese claim regarding Doklam.

This time at Doklam, India had breached that Bilateral Agreement and understandings between China and India when Indian soldiers transgressed into Doklam. And now in retaliation, China is abrogating that Agreement and demanding that Indian Army withdraw back from its existing position at Sikkim -Tibet border. China is insisting upon re-negotiating the Tibet- Sikkim border.

India had not expected such a strong reaction from China. And caught flat footed, tried to wriggle out of the tight corner by saying that Indian Army entered Doklam at the request of Bhutan Army. In other words declaring that Bhutan is a " Protectorate " of India. And projecting a international posture of India protecting tiny Bhutan from a big bully China.

Bhutan naturally cannot support such blatantly invasive contention of India. Bhutan is a sovereign nation and member of UN. Not a " Protectorate " of India. And anyway China is not buying any such blabbering from India.

It appears that an overzealous Defence Ministry of India ordered the Indian Army intrusion into Doklam area. Maybe it was one strategy aimed at foiling Sino- Bhutan Border Agreement happening during the next Ministerial level Sino- Bhutan Border Meeting. It could also be an internal strategy of Defence Ministry officials to push through lucrative Defence Purchase Deals through hyping Sino- Indian conflicts at sensitive border points. Defence Deals worth billions of dollars could result in huge dividends for those making the Deals. And any sign of heightened tensions with China or Pakistan could hrlp to seal big defence related procurement Deals.

Whatever the reasons may have been for the unprecedented transgression at Doklam, the Indian war hawks had not envisaged such a huge fallout upon the Sikkim -Tibet Border Agreement and the Kashmir conflict. India had already breached part of understandings with China by playing up the Dalai Lama card at Arunachal. And Doklam intrusion sort of broke the camel back. Since the departure of the Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar to take up the post of Goa Chief Ministership, the Defence Ministry of India under Shri Arun Jaitley has been embarking upon a new defiant policy against China.

It is also quite clear that Indian Army Command was against such a confrontational move at Doklam. But had followed the order issued by the Defence Ministry. The fallout from the foul up by the Defence Ministry has compelled Modi Cabinet to trim away Defence Ministry bureaucratic powers and transfer the same to the Indian Army Command. Recently the strategic and defence powers including armament procurement authority of both the Chief and Deputy Chief of Indian Army have been considerably enhanced. India may also find it necessary to appoint a full time new Defence Minister. Presently Shri Arun Jaitley is holding double portfolios of Finance and Defence Ministries. And that may have lead to war hawks at Defence Ministry taking over.

India could be prepared to fight 2 and 1/2 wars at the same time. But this is turning out to be 5 and 1/2 wars. Chicken Neck, Arunachal, Kashmir, Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea plus that 1/2 meaning internal security. And America, Japan and Israel cannot be trusted to fight from Indian side against China in case of war. Going against three nuclear nations China, Pakistan and North Korea for sake of Indian interest alone is not sufficiently tempting for United States. And in any case, other world powers would love to see India and China bleed each other as they look upon from afar. What America and other nations dread is the two Asian powers teaming up.

China was fully aware of behind the scene Indian pressures upon Bhutan in Sino- Bhutan Border negotiations throughout the last 34 years and 24 rounds of Talks. But China could not take punitive action until India directly and openly showed her hand. And this time at Doklam, India unmasked herself. That was what China was waiting for.

Now I think an Indian advance peace team is already in Beijing to be joined by Indian Security Advisor later. India is adopting a conciliatory approach to save the 2012 Sikkim- Tibet Border Agreement. The Indian Diplomat and Security Analyst Phunchuk Stobdan who recently authored the article " India's Real Problem lies in its Foreign Policy, Not Border " seems to be also a member of the Indian advance team at Beijing. His article is a sign of conciliatory gesture from the Government of India.

The Doklam standoff crisis may dissipate if India truly backs off from Sino- Bhutan Border negotiation and in other areas like opposing One Belt Road Initiative and stop playing up Dalai Lama card. I hope all goes well between our giant neighbours. War is terrible for all of us.

There is no written security pact as such between India and Bhutan or Bhutan with China. However, if Bhutan is invaded by either India or China, one could rightly assume that the other giant neighbour will get involved because of their respective concerns for national security. For both India and China, Bhutan’s buffer status is very crucial and non- negotiable. As of date, Bhutan has a 2007 Treaty ( revised 1949 Indo- Bhutan Treaty) with India which recognises each other' s sovereignty and declaration of friendship. Likewise Bhutan has an Agreement with China which also spelts out respect for each country's sovereignty and declaration of friendship.

In regards to Doklam crisis, I would like to reiterate that I have always had tremendous faith in the working of the Deities. And I hopefully pray that what happened at Doklam this time is a way of the Deities to clear the path for Sino- Bhutan Border Agreement. There is always a possibility of a silver lining to every dark cloud. I dare to be optimistic as well as forthright.

May Triple Gem watch over the Kingdom and guide our Leaders. Pelden Drukpa Gyel Lo ! Lha Gyel Lo !
 
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Typical Indian mentality. Being an aggressor and invader itself. Keep being in denial and accuse Chinese as invading. Maybe next time you can claim China invades Beijing. And Indian is a victim?
Typical Chinese mentality.. encroaching on neighbor's land and then claiming that the person preventing encroachment is the aggressor...
 

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End of July may be the dateline. But I don't know whether they will wait for 1st August celebration to be over before taking action since it's such important date.
 

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