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China is replacing the U.S. as world’s No. 1 navy
By J. William Middendorf
Posted Oct 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM


Chinese shipbuilders have produced more than 100 warships in the past 10 years, a build rate easily outstripping that of the U.S. Navy. The Chinese navy is already the largest in the world with an estimated 350 ships and submarines.

The speed with which China’s first aircraft carrier was built is the fastest in the history of aircraft carrier construction. It took only two years from the laying of the hull to its launch. It was delivered to the Chinese navy nearly a year ahead of schedule in late 2019. Three nuclear-powered supercarriers are now under construction and are expected to form the center of carrier battle groups in the 2020s.

China has built six new classes of destroyers featuring more advanced hull designs, propulsion systems sensors, weapons and electronics. The Type 055 destroyers displace 13,000 tons and are 590 feet in length. These massive ships feature multi-mission designs with anti-submarine capabilities.

The Chinese navy’s ballistic submarine fleet is being improved and expanded with the older Type 092 Xia-class nuclear-powered submersible ship ballistic missiles being replaced with several Type 094 Jin-class SSBMs. Four of these newer subs are already operational and are expected to be equipped with the new, longer-range JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles with a range of 5,281 miles.

Most of China’s 1960s era aircraft have been replaced, and the People’s Liberation Army Air Force is now dominated by fourth-generation fighter aircraft. They include the domestically designed and produced J-10 and the Su-27 fighters, which are comparable to our F-15 or F-18 and dominate both the fighter and strike missions.


China’s pursuit of a range of advanced weapons with disruptive military potential is part of its plan to seek dominance in the high-tech weapons area. They include maneuverable missile warheads, hypersonic weapons, laser and beam weapons, electromagnetic rail guns, space weapons, and artificial intelligence-directed robots. We do not have any defense against hypersonic missiles, estimated to have a speed of Mach 20 (about 15,000 mph).

China’s air defenses are rapidly modernizing, with the recently acquired advanced S-400 surface-to-air missile system analogous to the American Patriot SAM system. Key industrial and military centers, such as Beijing, are now defended by surface-to-air missile systems. It is also developing its own advanced SAM, the HQ-9, which is deployed both on land and at sea.

On Oct. 6, Defense Secretary Mark Esper rolled out a new 25-year road map with a goal of about 355 manned ships and half as many unmanned surface and subsurface ships. His plan calls for fewer large carriers and more submarines in a Navy of 500 ships or more. He also wants an attack submarine force of 70 to 80 boats, up from today’s 55.

Esper would like to increase the production of Virginia class submarines to three a year, up from the current two. The Navy is also committed to building 12 Columbia-class nuclear ballistic submarines to replace the Ohio-class submarines. The sole mission of the Ohio-class submarines is strategic nuclear deterrence, for which it carries long-range submarine-launched ballistic missiles. They provide the most survivable leg of America’s strategic nuclear deterrence with 70 percent of the nation’s accountable nuclear warheads and its only assured second-strike or retaliatory nuclear-strike capability.

Our greatest danger lies between now and 2031, when the first of the Columbia-class submarines will be deployed. That’s a long period of terrifying vulnerability. Nothing should be done to slow the development and deployment of the Columbia or Virginia class submarines, and we should support any opportunities to speed it up.

 

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Each of these papers gives a clue into the secret weapons programs of the US, the US is not afraid of SSBNs. Why? Do they have SATs over the US that fire long range EW weapons at launched ballistic missiles that render them useless. Would it be smart to build a SSMN, a sub that fires non-electronic missiles close to shore like V2 rockets with nuclear warheads so EW weapons don't work because dumb rockets don't have any electronics to fry.
 

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Each of these papers gives a clue into the secret weapons programs of the US, the US is not afraid of SSBNs. Why? Do they have SATs over the US that fire long range EW weapons at launched ballistic missiles that render them useless. Would it be smart to build a SSMN, a sub that fires non-electronic missiles close to shore like V2 rockets with nuclear warheads so EW weapons don't work because dumb rockets don't have any electronics to fry.
You are speculating.
 

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China is a formidable opponent and nightmare for anyone attempting to face them face to face on the battle. It's a well drilled war machine that is building at rapid speed but I think they have one handicap despite doing everything right and that is foreign policy relations. Because they don't have homies and in such war like WW3 you need homeboys while the US has plenty of homeboys because they put a great effort into their foreign policy and developing relationships and this will return to their favor in time of extreme need of allies and manpower.

When push comes to shave in such scenario everyone will be forced to chose the lesser evil and unfortunately China has not proven to the world that they indeed are the lesser evil and they haven't put any effort into disproving it and to be quite frank and without bias or anything China is sort of viewed like a brute with extreme heavy-handness and it doesn't seem like they care about their image nor their foreign policy nor do they sugarcoat potential allies or flirt. While some are just suspicious over a china dominated world and how it will look like because there is extreme heavy-handness so far of what we have seen.

Imo China is stronger then the US militarily and will overcome them militarily 1 on 1 but that is not how global wars work. China's defeat will come from a small area they have never paid attention to previously and that is their foreign policy and heavy-handness. What will happen is that many nations will chose to side with the US at the last minute and people who don't even like the US instead of staying neutral because the whole world is burning anyways because the Americans had relations with these people previously in the good days and they will view the Americans as the lesser evil because China will only bring heavy-handness because atleast these people had great lives when the Americans were around despite not liking them it's called self-interest.

But there is plenty of time for WW3 approx 30 years from now and thats around 3 decades left for China to revise their foreign policy and change things. Making sure whoever follows the US is a minority and set the clock back by fixing these key areas
 
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China is replacing the U.S. as world’s No. 1 navy
But China only wants to give its citizens a better life.
Why US this & US that and India this & India that and Japan this & Japan that and Taiwan this & Taiwan that and Australia this & Australia that and Pakistan no this&that?
 

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China is replacing the U.S. as world’s No. 1 navy
By J. William Middendorf
Posted Oct 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM


Chinese shipbuilders have produced more than 100 warships in the past 10 years, a build rate easily outstripping that of the U.S. Navy. The Chinese navy is already the largest in the world with an estimated 350 ships and submarines.

The speed with which China’s first aircraft carrier was built is the fastest in the history of aircraft carrier construction. It took only two years from the laying of the hull to its launch. It was delivered to the Chinese navy nearly a year ahead of schedule in late 2019. Three nuclear-powered supercarriers are now under construction and are expected to form the center of carrier battle groups in the 2020s.

China has built six new classes of destroyers featuring more advanced hull designs, propulsion systems sensors, weapons and electronics. The Type 055 destroyers displace 13,000 tons and are 590 feet in length. These massive ships feature multi-mission designs with anti-submarine capabilities.

The Chinese navy’s ballistic submarine fleet is being improved and expanded with the older Type 092 Xia-class nuclear-powered submersible ship ballistic missiles being replaced with several Type 094 Jin-class SSBMs. Four of these newer subs are already operational and are expected to be equipped with the new, longer-range JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles with a range of 5,281 miles.

Most of China’s 1960s era aircraft have been replaced, and the People’s Liberation Army Air Force is now dominated by fourth-generation fighter aircraft. They include the domestically designed and produced J-10 and the Su-27 fighters, which are comparable to our F-15 or F-18 and dominate both the fighter and strike missions.


China’s pursuit of a range of advanced weapons with disruptive military potential is part of its plan to seek dominance in the high-tech weapons area. They include maneuverable missile warheads, hypersonic weapons, laser and beam weapons, electromagnetic rail guns, space weapons, and artificial intelligence-directed robots. We do not have any defense against hypersonic missiles, estimated to have a speed of Mach 20 (about 15,000 mph).

China’s air defenses are rapidly modernizing, with the recently acquired advanced S-400 surface-to-air missile system analogous to the American Patriot SAM system. Key industrial and military centers, such as Beijing, are now defended by surface-to-air missile systems. It is also developing its own advanced SAM, the HQ-9, which is deployed both on land and at sea.

On Oct. 6, Defense Secretary Mark Esper rolled out a new 25-year road map with a goal of about 355 manned ships and half as many unmanned surface and subsurface ships. His plan calls for fewer large carriers and more submarines in a Navy of 500 ships or more. He also wants an attack submarine force of 70 to 80 boats, up from today’s 55.

Esper would like to increase the production of Virginia class submarines to three a year, up from the current two. The Navy is also committed to building 12 Columbia-class nuclear ballistic submarines to replace the Ohio-class submarines. The sole mission of the Ohio-class submarines is strategic nuclear deterrence, for which it carries long-range submarine-launched ballistic missiles. They provide the most survivable leg of America’s strategic nuclear deterrence with 70 percent of the nation’s accountable nuclear warheads and its only assured second-strike or retaliatory nuclear-strike capability.

Our greatest danger lies between now and 2031, when the first of the Columbia-class submarines will be deployed. That’s a long period of terrifying vulnerability. Nothing should be done to slow the development and deployment of the Columbia or Virginia class submarines, and we should support any opportunities to speed it up.

Why?

In Short..

There is price for being No.1 in world in any field.

And China is in all positions to happily effortlessly pay that price.
 

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But China only wants to give its citizens a better life.
Why US this & US that and India this & India that and Japan this & Japan that and Taiwan this & Taiwan that and Australia this & Australia that and Pakistan no this&that?
Interesting to learn what they think of us, China never wants to be a superpower, those China world No.1 crap mostly are from foreign media, we don't really agree, but it's fun to read and learn about their fantasy.
 

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May be in numbers... but the amount of fire power and quality US leads the way... US introduced 5th gen jets decades ago whereas world working on 4th gen.. china might in road with 5th gen program.. but US had it for decades... US is a war machine.. no natter what china still need learn from others mistake...
 

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May be in numbers... but the amount of fire power and quality US leads the way... US introduced 5th gen jets decades ago whereas world working on 4th gen.. china might in road with 5th gen program.. but US had it for decades... US is a war machine.. no natter what china still need learn from others mistake...
China never has that western colonial and conquest mentality and never wants to be the world police, it's the west always uses their mindset to judge China. We only want to provide a good life for our people and be left alone by foreign invaders, that's why every Chinese dynasties put up walls to keep "foreign barbarians" at bay.
 

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When push comes to shave in such scenario everyone will be forced to chose the lesser evil and unfortunately China has not proven to the world that they indeed are the lesser evil and they haven't put any effort into disproving it
i agree. To prove itself lesser evil, all China needs to do is drop 2 nuclear bombs on 2 different cities wiping out 1 million population on the spot & giving cancer to the coming two generations. also China needs to violate sovereignty of weak helpless states by bombing them through drones. Also they need to make sure that they finance terror wings in half a dozen unfriendly countries & start civil war & create a political unrest for atleast 2 decades by shoving puppet governments in power which results in deaths of no less than 10 million innocent civilians. Also China needs to make sure that it pets a puppy (like Israel in America case) & give it full freedom, money & lethal weaponary to occupy lands of innocent inch by inch in the name of some Religious right. Much more action is needed by China to prove to the world that its indeed a responsible power like USA.
 

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This is just a fluff piece meant for US domestic consumption, so as to scare the US public and send trillions to the MIC. Trying to gauge global politics and military balance from this piece is laughable.
 

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Largest? Yes. Capable? Not even close. What a lot of people forget is that China has zero modern naval warfare experience. Hell, China has zero joint air/naval/ground warfare experience all together. Pretty much all of China’s small conflicts have been ground wars
 

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What china has build up is a very strong defensive navy for coastal fight. All the guys quoting 350 as the ship number, 180 of them are Corvettes and missile boats for Taiwan invasion. These ships are of no use against a proper blue water navy
 

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China is replacing the U.S. as world’s No. 1 navy
By J. William Middendorf
Posted Oct 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM


Chinese shipbuilders have produced more than 100 warships in the past 10 years, a build rate easily outstripping that of the U.S. Navy. The Chinese navy is already the largest in the world with an estimated 350 ships and submarines.

The speed with which China’s first aircraft carrier was built is the fastest in the history of aircraft carrier construction. It took only two years from the laying of the hull to its launch. It was delivered to the Chinese navy nearly a year ahead of schedule in late 2019. Three nuclear-powered supercarriers are now under construction and are expected to form the center of carrier battle groups in the 2020s.

China has built six new classes of destroyers featuring more advanced hull designs, propulsion systems sensors, weapons and electronics. The Type 055 destroyers displace 13,000 tons and are 590 feet in length. These massive ships feature multi-mission designs with anti-submarine capabilities.

The Chinese navy’s ballistic submarine fleet is being improved and expanded with the older Type 092 Xia-class nuclear-powered submersible ship ballistic missiles being replaced with several Type 094 Jin-class SSBMs. Four of these newer subs are already operational and are expected to be equipped with the new, longer-range JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles with a range of 5,281 miles.

Most of China’s 1960s era aircraft have been replaced, and the People’s Liberation Army Air Force is now dominated by fourth-generation fighter aircraft. They include the domestically designed and produced J-10 and the Su-27 fighters, which are comparable to our F-15 or F-18 and dominate both the fighter and strike missions.


China’s pursuit of a range of advanced weapons with disruptive military potential is part of its plan to seek dominance in the high-tech weapons area. They include maneuverable missile warheads, hypersonic weapons, laser and beam weapons, electromagnetic rail guns, space weapons, and artificial intelligence-directed robots. We do not have any defense against hypersonic missiles, estimated to have a speed of Mach 20 (about 15,000 mph).

China’s air defenses are rapidly modernizing, with the recently acquired advanced S-400 surface-to-air missile system analogous to the American Patriot SAM system. Key industrial and military centers, such as Beijing, are now defended by surface-to-air missile systems. It is also developing its own advanced SAM, the HQ-9, which is deployed both on land and at sea.

On Oct. 6, Defense Secretary Mark Esper rolled out a new 25-year road map with a goal of about 355 manned ships and half as many unmanned surface and subsurface ships. His plan calls for fewer large carriers and more submarines in a Navy of 500 ships or more. He also wants an attack submarine force of 70 to 80 boats, up from today’s 55.

Esper would like to increase the production of Virginia class submarines to three a year, up from the current two. The Navy is also committed to building 12 Columbia-class nuclear ballistic submarines to replace the Ohio-class submarines. The sole mission of the Ohio-class submarines is strategic nuclear deterrence, for which it carries long-range submarine-launched ballistic missiles. They provide the most survivable leg of America’s strategic nuclear deterrence with 70 percent of the nation’s accountable nuclear warheads and its only assured second-strike or retaliatory nuclear-strike capability.

Our greatest danger lies between now and 2031, when the first of the Columbia-class submarines will be deployed. That’s a long period of terrifying vulnerability. Nothing should be done to slow the development and deployment of the Columbia or Virginia class submarines, and we should support any opportunities to speed it up.

When United States announced the US Navy 60% pivot to Asia did they expect China to sit and watch ? :disagree:
 

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