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China has built the world's largest navy. Now what's Beijing going to do with it?

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The key to any naval success is air defense. That is why so many European navies rely heavily on air defense and multipurpose destroyers and frigates. This is why I argue heavily on a navy's half fleet being submarines to be protected by the water. However, with ASW, those subs are aided in protection by proximity to surface fleets, so again things come down to air defense. Ballistic and other hypersonic weapons are the game changers, which is why to save your fleet you need ABM and other advanced ADS to defend your fleet.
That's why Chinese navy uses J-15 on carriers. It is basically air superiority fighter on carrier. Formidable.
 

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There is no doubt PLAN is continuing to grow until it overwhelmed USN in strength. By 2050 PLAN will have 550 warship.
IMO and without any doubt, USA cannot win any war inside China backyard today.
Even Pentagon war game simulations in different scenarios have shown that.

This will ensure the successful denial of USN in event of a reunification of Taiwan and that is if DPP ever dare to announce her independence.
China has an anti-secessionist law that compell her to act if that happens.
Taiwanese should accept reunification as fait accompli. They should not deny their ancestry and fight against fate.
China has absolute sovereignty over Taiwan Province. There is no such thing as de facto
 
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There is no doubt PLAN is continuing to grow until it overwhelmed USN in strength. By 2050 PLAN will have 550 warship.
IMO and without any doubt, USA cannot win any war inside China backyard today.
Even Pentagon war game simulations in different scenarios have shown that.

This will ensure the successful denial of USN in event of a reunification of Taiwan and that is if DPP ever dare to announce her independence.
China has an anti-secessionist law that compell her to act if the happens.
Taiwanese should accept reunification as fait accompli. They should not deny their ancestry and fight against fate.
China has absolute sovereignty over Taiwan Province. There is no such thing as de facto
Taiwan's days are numbered.
 

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The folks in Hong Kong are waking up having been indoctrinated by the British to be anti-China since the day theu enter schools. The new HK bloggers are now revealing the real truth and actual narratives over the internet.

Imagine RTHK which is basically a Hong kong SAR government station but they were airing anti- SAR and anti-China propaganda along with Taiwanese Apple Daily.
Now with the newly appointed head, it is being revamped. Everything is changing.

The West has just lost its propaganda tool inside the SAR government.
What take Carrie Lam government so long to realise this?
The National Security Law is very effective im weeding out all these hidden saboteurs inside the former British civil services.
The British Colonial Government disband the special branch, the political investigative wing of the HK Police before Chris Patton left.
There was no universal suffrage and people opposing the British Government were branded as communist and imprison or shot by the police before 1997.

No one has ever question why there are dozen of National Security Laws in USA ans 5 eye Anglo-Saxon nation while they were demonizing China National Security Law.
After 911 USA introduced the Homeland Security Act as well as Patriot Act. They have arrested and imprisoned many Americans and even hearsays are admissive as evidences.
 
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PLAN have the numbers but USN have both global reach and unparalleled power projection capabilities.

Consider the sheer gap in following metric for instance: "The US has more than 9,000 vertical launch missile cells on its surface ships to China's 1,000 or so" - very telling.

Now consider qualitative comparisons in other areas such as submarines, jet fighters, aircraft carriers, Electronic Warfare capabilities, sensor-netting capabilities and more - PLAN does not compare TBH.
:pleasantry: :pleasantry: :pleasantry:

Can anyone tell us how many of "The US has more than 9,000 vertical launch missile cells on its surface ships " will still be available to fire once war started.
All the Murican bases west of 3rd island chain be taken down within 30 minutes or so of the start of that war. And their ships if at dock. If not at dock, might take a little wee bit longer.

And Murican Admirals getting free root canal jobs, but they must not move their head or wrong and good tooth be done instead. :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:


Extract from https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/two-...rictions-on-chinas-smic.695757/#post-12880869


Every time Murica tried to stop and kill China, China became even further ahead.

Look at how Murica tried to freeze China from space . China is far ahead of Murica and Murica a has been.

Look at how Murica tried to stop China from getting radar from Israel.


Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?

Smaller profile than the differences between a male and female mosquitoe?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
**And Chinese air weaponary. To splash the air tankers and AWACs and JSTAR USA rely on to direct the fight in the air. And the Stealth planes of USA.**

How China's Clever New Missile Could Cripple American Air Power
China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’

This is what USA Airforce Secretary got to say in 2018
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war .

Murica tried to freeze China from GPS

Beidou 2 is so much better.


DF21 tested very well already in 2010
The target was Yuan Wang 4.

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Yuan Wang-class tracking ship - Wikipedia

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Fitted out with radar reflectors as YuanWang4 was 12,000 tons to give image size of 100,000 tons, like that of Murican carrier.


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Even so , shot hitting YuanWang 4 was the equivalent of a hit on medulla oblongata on moving target from 1000 km away. Yuanwang 4 was one tenth the size of Murican carrier.


To announce the test was too provocating. So China kept quiet about the test and after the test.

China not like Murican who like to boast of their artillery and MLRS accuracy and power in pdf and everywhere when China dwarfed what Muricans got in accuracy , the bang, the reach, and numbers.

The chinese did not announce this DF21 test. They did not have to.

But they knew Murica was watching via their satellite , and knew especially when Murica searching frantically for the path of YuanWang 4 and records of YW 4.

And so was the Russians watching too. The Russians laughed and gloated Murica was taught a lesson by China in that test.

Murica, true to themselves and the lies that they spewed, never admitted that this test took place. And went around declaring the only evidence was that shot in Western Desert of China which was not moving.

China never announced this either. This was picked up by a very sharp eye Argentinian watcher on Google Earth in 2013. That might not even be when those shots were fired.

Google Earth image published at SAORBOATS Argentinian internet forum


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Murica can deny that no longer.

But we all knew that.

That was in 2010.

You bet in 2020, China got even more accurate with all her missiles and tracking.

Can even do a root canal job with DF21D DF26B on Murican Admiral sitting in the office of his base in Japan with then millimeter accuracy of Beidou 3. But the Admiral must not move or root canal job be done on wrong tooth. And that be very sad.


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That's why Chinese navy uses J-15 on carriers. It is basically air superiority fighter on carrier. Formidable.
Carriers can be used to strike any bases and locations firing missiles. Though are prone to attack. Imagine being in a pool with somebody throwing a beach ball at people's heads in the pool. If a beach ball is headed toward you, you can go under-water. This is the idea of a semi-submersible fleet. And with the creation of anti-torpedo torpedoes, torpedoes that are like ADS missiles, they hit their own and knock them out of commission, submersible fleets are even more defended, and even solitary subs have a defense, making subs even more valuable and defensive.

For a viable long-term navy in 2050.
Need many more subs and/or a submersible fleet
Need S-500s class ADS on destroyers
Need anti-torpedo torpedoes
(and maybe even SAM subs)
 

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Times change. The 21st century is one of the most critical times for ensuring human survival. it is either a step towards a shining future or sinking back into barbarism. If the entire human race is at risk, would you insist on sticking with rhetoric from some mumbo jumbo in the long distant past, or to take action to rescue humanity from the darkness?
Sounds like a politician who calls Washington corrupt, but insists the people elect him so he can go to Washington to fix it !
So what else is new !
 

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Free Taiwan is toast. Taiwan should just kowtow and join the PRC. Looks like the European experiment with individual human freedom protected by the rule of law will only last about 300 years all together. Glad my lifespan fell within this brief moment of personal empowerment.
I'm 75 years old. My mother lived to 98 and my grandmothers both lived to 94. But, my father only lived to 69. However, I'm confident that I can coast out of here, i.e. assume room temperature, while still a "free" man, before the authoritarian systems of the world, including USA Socialist Democrats, can catch me.

I don't have much hope that you young wippersnappers here at PDF can achieve a lifetime of freedom.
I would say it's a narrow sighted view to see European countries like that...
...that rule of law/freedom u mention...may have been afforded to u(citizens of those countries) but consider what they did to their colonies. The list is long of all the human rights abuses all over the world...from Asia to Africa to Americas. If anything...even after colonialism ended...the problems still persist to this day all over the world...and the world is still bleeding.

Unless u only care about the well being of the citizens of those specific countries...which is a very limited set of ppl. If u look at the whole picture...those same countries u think are champions of freedom...were some of the biggest tyrants themselves.
 

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Unless u only care about the well being of the citizens of those specific countries...which is a very limited set of ppl. If u look at the whole picture...those same countries u think are champions of freedom...were some of the biggest tyrants themselves.
Like it or not, the Darwinian life principle of "survival of the fittest" applies to all life, even human cultures. The personal freedom enjoyed by non-enslaved American citizens from ~ 1780 to now was accomplished by their culture, which is now in serious decline. Other peoples, colonized by external forces (like India), or self-enslaved by internal ideologies (like the soviet union) did not enjoy this level of freedom because of their culture. I am just observing that the personal freedom provided by my culture is proving to be a transient. Darwinian forces are catching up with us, as human traits assert themselves to destroy the protections of the individual via the rule of law. The rule of the human mob or the various human elites is, seemingly, always trying to destroy widespread individual rights, and prevails in the long run.
 

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Like it or not, the Darwinian life principle of "survival of the fittest" applies to all life, even human cultures. The personal freedom enjoyed by non-enslaved American citizens from ~ 1780 to now was accomplished by their culture, which is now in serious decline. Other peoples, colonized by external forces (like India), or self-enslaved by internal ideologies (like the soviet union) did not enjoy this level of freedom because of their culture. I am just observing that the personal freedom provided by my culture is proving to be a transient. Darwinian forces are catching up with us, as human traits assert themselves to destroy the protections of the individual via the rule of law. The rule of the human mob or the various human elites is, seemingly, always trying to destroy widespread individual rights, and prevails in the long run.
By Darwinian principles...no society...no civilization can exist...consider the dawn of man...in the stone age...
...imagine for a moment that u r super strong...by chance u ended up with genes that made u strong, buff, tall, etc. U have one neighbor that's not as strong...by Darwinian principles...u can and therefore should take his cave and his food from him for ur survival...u should take his women to ensure u pass on ur genes.
In that same manner...a third neighbor of urs...who may not be as strong as u...but is smarter than u...uses his cunning to take what's urs...to ensure his survival and to make sure he passes on his genes. He figures out the times when u go hunting and the routes u take...and uses that to set traps and sneaks up on...assassinating u...now all that was urs is his...
...and why not...after all survival of the fittest right? This is what we see in the animal kingdom...
...the biggest gorilla...gets to mate with whom he wants...and keeps all other males in line.
...the lion of a pride...when challenged by another lion either gets to keep his territory and lionesses(pride) if he wins...or if he loses...then either he dies in the fight...or is cast out.
...so many more examples exist.

If we go by that logic...how can one man trust another? Even if he is the strongest around...how does he sleep at night with no worries that someone will assassinate him? How does he go hunting leaving his women and children behind? U see how quickly this logic falls apart? This is where the fact that humans are generally smart(thinkers, problem solvers) comes into play...the concept of "social contract"...
...where we all limit our total freedom to a certain extent...to create order...giving rise to a society...and this is exactly what humans did...everywhere(Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus Valley, China, Maya, Aztecs, etc and even before that at tribal levels).

Each person is given "protection and rights" to life, liberty, and property(in one form or another throughout time) by limiting "total freedom"(by introducing consequences to behaviors that we seem destructive like raping, pillaging, stealing, murdering, etc).

What I'm saying is to pick one...
...clearly it's hypocrisy then by the western powers to advocate and champion the "rule of law" and "human rights"...
...establishing themselves as the good guys while maligning countries like Soviet Union, Cuba, China, etc.
Did these western powers respect "human rights" of those they colonized? Did they treat their colonies and the subjects of those colonies equally?

...and if it's Darwinian principles of "survival of the fittest" then why complain now that the sun is setting on them(in general) and China is rising? Bcuz after all "survival of the fittest" right?

Can't be milking it both ways...
...where acting as paragons of "human rights" and " rule of law" they malign others...
...and then when pointed out for being no better...change the logic to "Darwinian principles".
 
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Those who believe that Americans are mostly dead, the Americans are best at creating fake news, deceiving opponents, deceiving domestic people, and creating panic for expanding their military and interfering in the internal affairs of regional countries.
 

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Those who believe that Americans are mostly dead, the Americans are best at creating fake news, deceiving opponents, deceiving domestic people, and creating panic for expanding their military and interfering in the internal affairs of regional countries.
no fake news..America is mostly dead...don't worry ...China is now the master of the universe :china:
 

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no fake news..America is mostly dead...don't worry ...China is now the master of the universe :china:
The Google translation is incorrect. I mean, whoever believes in the United States was eventually killed by the United States. For example, Saddam believed that the U.S. ambassador would not interfere in his attack on Kuwait. The U.S. female ambassador said, this It's an internal matter of your Arab brothers. There is also Gaddafi, who completely kneeled to the United States, and even has a photo book of the US Secretary of State Ness, stating that it is-my dear. This makes Ness a bit embarrassed. He ended up being tortured and killed by a terrorist organization backed by the United States
 

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Those who believe that Americans are mostly dead, the Americans are best at creating fake news, deceiving opponents, deceiving domestic people, and creating panic for expanding their military and interfering in the internal affairs of regional countries.

Germany was 3 times more powerful than the UK, and the UK won the war. Germany was plotted against and baited into a conflict.

UK even got Germany ally - Italy - to switch sides and fight against Germany.

China has to talk tough about defending Taiwan.

There is much planning and preparation for China to do.

The trump era was a US complete failure. The UK and other Entente are taking over the anti-China stuff, after trump's failure. Now is not the time to celebrate, you can't even celebrate the death of the USA empire until bitcoin is defeated.
 

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PLAN is still mostly diesel powered. until China makes the PLAN fully nuclear powered or mostly nuclear powered, it can only challenge the u.s. navy on its own turf, it is not going to be able to take the fight to the american shores accept for a few SSBNs.
 

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