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China Expands Military at India Border as Modi Accused of Surrendering Land.. Newsweek

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Haha ya the flying coffins will smash the j-20s


1 MiG-21 = 10 J-20s down

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Destroys

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The PLAAF is screwed. Maybe they should beg the US for the F-35 to fight the Indians with
You know what. It actually is possible since J20 has no stealth.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2019/...tected-chinese-stealth-fighter-aircraft-j-20/
 

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This article is full of errors like this one:

The last time troops died were during the india china conflict of 1967

People who actually did some research wrote this:

https://t.co/yP49g2ogAx?amp=1

For going against multiple F16s with a Mig21, A david vs Goliath(s) match up
If that's the case, India Air Force commander should face trial because of his stupidity and mismanagement.

In fact, there are many su-30MKI around, but dare not to join in the game.

Oh, I forgot, India media won't tell you those details.
 

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If that's the case, India Air Force commander should face trial because of his stupidity and mismanagement.

In fact, there are many su-30MKI around, but dare not to join in the game.

Oh, I forgot, India media won't tell you those details.
These Mig 21s were scrambled. The PAF awacs obviously directed the intrusion to the zone with no air cover. while the others were used to pin down indian assets that were under CAP.
there are many su-30MKI around, but dare not to join in the game.
Oh god. *facepalm
You are new. There was a time long ago when members here actually knew about defence.

Ya. The PLAAF is doomed. Those vintage planes of the Indian air force will screw them up bigtime
I never said that but you are entitled to your opinion
 

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China has to keep pressure on india. This is just beginning. Cold war 2 will be fought on proxy County. India is the new battle ground.
 

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This article is full of errors like this one:

Please raise this with Newsweek administration. They are one of the top most media house in western world, I am sure they will listen to your plea.


For going against multiple F16s with a Mig21, A david vs Goliath(s) match up

Every time a rat get crushed under the rampaging elephant because it happened to be at the wrong place at wrong time, not knowing what is happening, you are going to reward such situations?
 

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Please raise this with Newsweek administration. They are one of the top most media house in western world, I am sure they will listen to your plea.
like it or not, top most or bottom most, they are factually wrong. nothing else matters.
Every time a rat get crushed under the rampaging elephant because it happened to be at the wrong place at wrong time, not knowing what is happening, you are going to reward such situations?
I fully agree that PAF handled the post Balakot Strike well. Pinning IAF CAP assets with BVR while going into least secure area where IAF was forced to scramble the obsolete mig 21s and got one shot down. And then returning the pilot the next day as a gesture of peace to ensure that IAF will not retaliate. Well played. Well played indeed.
Are you a girl? Seems not familiar with military assets.
why would you say that? :what:
 

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What can I see from Indian side situation, is that they're not united. Those politicians, news media are pumping their rhetoric to attack their own head of Government, Modi. Boosting China aggressiveness to blame Modi. And make him looks incompetent. Thus force Modi to take more popular decision that may defeat India interest, and perhaps even put them into a very dangerous decision. Like declaring war to China.

This is normal to most democratic nations, as everything based on popularity. Not the decision to move forward the country. A crisis won't make the people united, instead of to blame each others. Politicians won't support their head of government, and bring the crisis down, but rather blaming him, denounce him, etc, to make the head of government look like a fool. Then, if that happen, then how can the leadership move forward to bring the country forward?

Modi will have to focus on protecting himself, rather than solving the crisis on hand. And this reality is dangerous.

Modi has full support of patriot Indians, most of these people hates him because he is loved by hindus they dont want a strong leader which appeals to masses, the opposition leader is itself a Christian most of media is leftists converted christians and islamists ppl never see India as their nation their loyalty lies for their religion not country...

Modi is easily the most popular and loved leader on planet you wont find any leader gathering this much influence on almost a billion Indians rest non hindus just hate him although his policies never disfavour non hindus...

If Modi asks for sacrifice you will see millions of young men ready to die for our country in an instant, you will not see this coming out in paid Indian or international media...

And Chinese will not find any victory that India will ensure...
 

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like it or not, top most or bottom most, they are factually wrong. nothing else matters.

They are raising the issue of "Surrender Modi" at the highest level. You may want to intervene as perception is going down the drain.


I fully agree that PAF handled the post Balakot Strike well. Pinning IAF CAP assets with BVR while going into least secure area where IAF was forced to scramble the obsolete mig 21s and got one shot down. And then returning the pilot the next day as a gesture of peace to ensure that IAF will not retaliate. Well played. Well played indeed.


Its not like OP swift retort was launched in the dark of the night rather in bright day light with IAF given advance warning that PAF is coming. No element of surprise what so ever. And if IAF failed to pickup 18+ PAF raiding party heading towards LOC and not respond accordingly with relevant strength in ADA, then whose fault is that? What were those 250+ SU30, 50+ Mirage 2000 and 50+ Mig29 doing that vintage Mig21 had to be scrambled in a aftermath of bombing raids conducted successfully over Naushera and Rajouri? All decent Pakistanis will agree that Wing cmd Abhi is a decent professional but the guy had no clue about the targets he is trying to engage or any sort of situational awareness. That's why I mentioned about the situation of rampaging elephant and rat scenario.
 

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Modi has full support of patriot Indians, most of these people hates him because he is loved by hindus they dont want a strong leader which appeals to masses, the opposition leader is itself a Christian most of media is leftists converted christians and islamists ppl never see India as their nation their loyalty lies for their religion not country...

Modi is easily the most popular and loved leader on planet you wont find any leader gathering this much influence on almost a billion Indians rest non hindus just hate him although his policies never disfavour non hindus...

If Modi asks for sacrifice you will see millions of young men ready to die for our country in an instant, you will not see this coming out in paid Indian or international media...

And Chinese will not find any victory that India will ensure...
Nehru was popular until 1962. So is Modi.
 

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Modi has full support of patriot Indians, most of these people hates him because he is loved by hindus they dont want a strong leader which appeals to masses, the opposition leader is itself a Christian most of media is leftists converted christians and islamists ppl never see India as their nation their loyalty lies for their religion not country...

Modi is easily the most popular and loved leader on planet you wont find any leader gathering this much influence on almost a billion Indians rest non hindus just hate him although his policies never disfavour non hindus...

If Modi asks for sacrifice you will see millions of young men ready to die for our country in an instant, you will not see this coming out in paid Indian or international media...

And Chinese will not find any victory that India will ensure...
This exactly is the reason why India that was trotting along nicely is now going backwards!
" All patriot Indian support modi" = those who support modi are patriots, rest everyone is against india. These morons have successfully converted India ( Idea of India) into Modi itself.

WhatsApp university at work full time.
How is opposition leader a Christian? Even if he is a Christian or a muslim, how is that a problem? Is it a rule that only Hindu will be leader?
 

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They are raising the issue of "Surrender Modi" at the highest level. You may want to intervene as perception is going down the drain.
Ah. yes. The term coined by the indian opposition for perceived failure to act against chinese expansionism. now appropriated by our friends from pakistan.

Its not like OP swift retort was launched in the dark of the night rather in bright day light with IAF given advance warning that PAF is coming. No element of surprise what so ever. And if IAF failed to pickup 18+ PAF raiding party heading towards LOC and not respond accordingly with relevant strength in ADA, then whose fault is that? What were those 250+ SU30, 50+ Mirage 2000 and 50+ Mig29 doing that vintage Mig21 had to be scrambled in a aftermath of bombing raids conducted successfully over Naushera and Rajouri? All decent Pakistanis will agree that Wing cmd Abhi is a decent professional but the guy had no clue about the targets he is trying to engage or any sort of situational awareness. That's why I mentioned about the situation of rampaging elephant and rat scenario.

The reaction by IAF was unsatisfactory, they could have kept more and better assets on stand by. That being said, There was no way knowing what 18+ PAF planes where going to do until they came within 10 km of LOC. Keep in mind all this happened in a few minutes which makes intercepts hard. Remember during the Balakot raid the IAF jets were not intercepted and they crossed the international border and returned unmolested. The only saving grace for the IAF is that they denied PAF access to indian air space. Keep in mind in case of an all out conflict there would be no assumed ambiguity of intentions. The Indian jets would assume the 18+ PAF planes were hostile and respond long before they reached 10 km from LOC. This is when all the assets and numbers you mentioned will start to make a difference. By the end PAF had actual proof of a downed mig 21 while IAF has nothing beyond circumstantial evidence for a downed f16. So its 1-0. Not only that, they returned the pilot so IAF cannot make it 1-1 without looking like the bad guy. (and trust me they REALLY wanted to retaliate, I had inside info). The jingoists in India had their egos smashed while those in pakistan rejoiced like there was no tomorrow.

All in all I enjoyed the show and hope to see more of the same so we can analyze :coffee:

This exactly is the reason why India that was trotting along nicely is now going backwards!
" All patriot Indian support modi" = those who support modi are patriots, rest everyone is against india. These morons have successfully converted India ( Idea of India) into Modi itself.

WhatsApp university at work full time.
How is opposition leader a Christian? Even if he is a Christian or a muslim, how is that a problem? Is it a rule that only Hindu will be leader?
what he said can be found in the literiture of VHP, Sangh parivar and bajrang dal.
Especially annoying because like most indian christians, I love India inspite of all its flaws and hope to see a secular, inclusive, non BJP future. This is why I hate the pakistan army so much. They will ensure that BJP remains in power. pakistan army and BJP love and need each other. its true even if they deny it.
 

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