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No mistake made my friend..... keep me quoted on this and let's see on 5th Aug 2021..... wohi India wohi China wohi Pakistan and wohi ladakh Kashmir....... mark my words... .
It is a massive blunder. Opened a new front for yourself in front of a military behemoth just to sooth your sanghi ego by removing a harmless clause in your constitution
 

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38000 sq km area was taken in 1962 war.... not recently.... and what about 8k sq km Sikkim and 86k sq km AP which India captured in 1975 and 1986??? All China could do was to issue empty threats everyday and no action..... so we lost 38k sq km territory but gained 93k sq km area and I have pointed out this so many times but you guys simply don't wish to see the reality...... lastly don't forget doklam humiliation of China when we simply intervened and FULL STOPPED the road construction of mighty dragon...... ther too Dragon through its global daily issued 100 warnings everyday with no action.....

recently China captured 1000 sq km??????? Hahaha what a joke........
The 1000 square kilometers was from your own military intelligence lmao. What do you think they had to gain about reporting 1000 square kilometers of your territory was occupied if this wasn't actually the case? For all we know, it could be more than 1000 square kilometers now given that the report was from quite a while ago :enjoy: .
 

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China is determined to capture Ladakh and Kashmir from India.

October surprise is coming and Indians are shivering.
Mark my words, October will come and go, and nothing will happen.

Countries who want to go to war, just go to war, they don't sit around on the border for months and then give their enemy a chance to build up its strength and prepare for war.


But even after October, once you Pakistanis are left red faced, you will be still be hoping, that one day China will attack India and all your problems will be solved as you wont have to fight India yourself.
 

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The 1000 square kilometers was from your own military intelligence lmao. What do you think they had to gain about reporting 1000 square kilometers of your territory was occupied if this wasn't actually the case? For all we know, it could be more than 1000 square kilometers now given that the report was from quite a while ago :enjoy: .
Yeah sure when Congress paid personal speaking nonsense you will obviously believe because you are from Pakistan and want to see India being taken on ride....... at the same time you will conveniently ignore the fact that India stopped YOUR MIGHTY WEAPONS SUPPLIER DRAGON in DOKLAM a BHUTAN TERRITORY..... sure we will stop Dragon in Bhutan but not in India...... please feel happy and enjoy.......
 

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Mark my words, October will come and go, and nothing will happen.

Countries who want to go to war, just go to war, they don't sit around on the border for months and then give their enemy a chance to build up its strength and prepare for war.


But even after October, once you Pakistanis are left red faced, you will be still be hoping, that one day China will attack India and all your problems will be solved as you wont have to fight India yourself.
Hahaha bro you just nailed it.......this is what I am saying from the day one..... Pakistan members please don't waste your precious time on Dragon..... do something productive for your family rather than wasting time......
 

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End of the day who cares what China recognizes and what it doesn't...... AP, LADAKH, SIKKIM is ours..... what can you do mighty Dragon?????:lol::lol::lol:
 

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Indian Media not happy with the recent statement by the Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson.
You seem to be a fan of the tabloid Global Times. :)

Here is a commonality between dictatorships and their communication style.
1. They all seem to think their communication style, which keeps their citizens in servitude and fear internally, works on the outside world.
2. They communicate bluster many times through state-owned media and their controlled so-called foreign policy analysts
3. That's why you see Globaltimes and the rest of their state-owned actors use bizarre and almost child-like threats in communicating with the outside world, while genuinely being utterly clueless to how they are perceived.

So what has changed for China? Nothing. Here's what does not change.
1. The reality of the Chinese creating this situation, encroaching, being aggressive, and arbitrarily intruding is baked in with 99% nations of the world, and 100% among those that matter
2. The new positions of the Indian army, as verified through several satellite images, checkmates, and exposes Chinese positions
3. Chinese credibility remains the same - poor, untrustful to the vast majority of countries. Hiding their soldier's deaths was a low point.
4. The strange case of the Chinese using propaganda that works on their citizenry and imagining it being effective in the outside world.
5. They have land disputes with 24 countries
6. QUAD

What has changed for XI?
His wolf warrior strategy took a big beating with India. China mired in 24 border conflicts; Xi has created anti-China alliances right in his neighborhood and elsewhere. And a COVID reckoning yet to come.
 
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You seem to be a fan of the tabloid Global Times. :)

Here is a commonality between dictatorships and their communication style.
1. They all seem to think their communication style, which keeps their citizens in servitude and fear internally, works on the outside world.
2. They communicate bluster many times through state-owned media and their controlled so-called foreign policy analysts
3. That's why you see Globaltimes and the rest of their state-owned actors use bizarre and almost child-like threats in communicating with the outside world, while genuinely being utterly clueless to how they are perceived.

So what has changed for China? Nothing. Here's what does not change.
1. The reality of the Chinese creating this situation, encroaching, being aggressive, and arbitrarily intruding is baked in with 99% nations of the world, and 100% among those that matter
2. The new positions of the Indian army, as verified through several satellite images, checkmates, and exposes Chinese positions
3. Chinese credibility remains the same - poor, untrustful to the vast majority of countries. Hiding their soldier's deaths was a low point.
4. The strange case of the Chinese using propaganda that works on their citizenry and imagining it being effective in the outside world.
5. They have land disputes with 24 countries
6. QUAD

What has changed for XI?
His wolf warrior strategy took a big beating with India. China mired in 24 border conflicts; Xi has created anti-China alliances right in his neighborhood and elsewhere. And a COVID reckoning yet to come.
You are leaving in fool world
All that you say is merged, added, bits & pieces of last 100 years history of Chinese conflict merged facts, nothing you say is valid?
For India for Ladhak conflict :
Lost Alliance with Bangladesh
Lost Ladhak area significantly military or tactical fronts
Lost Nepal altogether as ally
Lost Sikkhum border area
Lost Afghanistan as ally on Western front
Lost Iran as another ally
Lost Sri Lanka in South Indian geography
Lost bay of Bengal Naval supremacy
Lost 33% of India's trade deficit because of RSS blunders
Lost Media influence globally of Indian as usual falsification of facts
Lost credibility within tourism of markets
Lost investment & financial services
List is endless possibilities ..mark my words Ghaz we Hind is around corner of complete breakdown of Indian as a nation if starts 2 front war with neighbors.
 

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All your mainstream media quoted this.

From whom???
AP was always part of British India and was first called as the North-East Frontier Agency (NEFA) in 1954 by the Indian Govt. The North-East Frontier Agency was renamed as Arunachal Pradesh by Sri Bibhabasu Das Shastri, the Director of Research and K.A.A. Raja, the Chief Commissioner of Arunachal Pradesh on 20 January 1972, and it became a union territory. Arunachal Pradesh became a state on 20 February 1987.
Indians are a remarkable bunch - they even "capture" territory and mountains that they already own. It's really something to be documented in the annals of warfare.
 

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Yeah sure when Congress paid personal speaking nonsense you will obviously believe because you are from Pakistan and want to see India being taken on ride....... at the same time you will conveniently ignore the fact that India stopped YOUR MIGHTY WEAPONS SUPPLIER DRAGON in DOKLAM a BHUTAN TERRITORY..... sure we will stop Dragon in Bhutan but not in India...... please feel happy and enjoy.......
@Han Patriot
Totally brainwashed by them Indian medias. They keep parroting the same shit over and over again after being debunked a million times. :hitwall: :hitwall:
 

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Hardening stance, China rejects Ladakh UT, raises 1959 claim line

Pushing its old claim line in Ladakh and hardening its position on the situation there, Beijing Tuesday said it does not recognise the Union Territory of Ladakh and is opposed to the construction of Indian infrastructure there.

New Delhi reacted sharply, saying it has “never accepted the so-called unilaterally defined 1959 Line of Actual Control”, and that it is “untenable”.

This exchange between the two sides comes a week after their military commanders met at the Moldo border point facing Chushul following the Moscow agreement between the Foreign Ministers to dial down tensions along the LAC.

In Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin, responding to a question on Indian road-building along the border, said China “does not recognize the so-called Union Territory of Ladakh” by India, and “opposes infrastructure construction in disputed border areas for military control purposes”.


“According to the recent consensus reached between China and India, neither side should take any actions in border areas that would complicate the situation, so as not to affect the efforts of both sides to ease the situation,” Wang said, according to China state-run tabloid Global Times.

The spokesperson’s statement that Beijing “does not recognise the Union Territory of Ladakh” is an escalation in its rhetoric, as compared to its comment last year following the abrogation of Article 370 and the decision to bifurcate the state of Jammu and Kashmir into the Union Territories of J&K and Ladakh.


At that time, China had objected to the formation of Ladakh as Union Territory, saying this “undermined its territorial sovereignty”. Beijing had also expressed “serious concern” about the current situation in the region and had said “relevant sides need to exercise restraint and act prudently”.

But Beijing’s comments now are contrary to the spirit of the conversation between External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on September 10. Meeting in Moscow, the two sides adopted a five-point approach to resolve the crisis and agreed that their troops “should continue their dialogue, quickly disengage, maintain proper distance and ease tensions”.

China’s hardening of position was also reflected in a statement to The Hindustan Times in Beijing, in which it said that it abides by the LAC as proposed by Premier Zhou Enlai to Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru in a letter dated November 7, 1959.

In the statement in Mandarin, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said, “Firstly, China-India border LAC is very clear, that is the LAC on November 7, 1959. China announced it in the 1950s, and the international community including India are also clear about it.”

In New Delhi, the Ministry of External Affairs responded to the Chinese Foreign Ministry statement on China’s position on the LAC.


“India has never accepted the so-called unilaterally defined 1959 Line of Actual Control (LAC). This position has been consistent and well known, including to the Chinese side,” MEA spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said.

Furthermore, he said, under their various bilateral agreements including the 1993 Agreement on Maintenance of Peace and Tranquility along the LAC, 1996 Agreement on Confidence Building Measures (CBMs) in the military field, 2005 Protocol on Implementation of CBMs, 2005 Agreement on Political Parameters and Guiding Principles for settlement of the India-China Boundary Question, “both India and China have committed to clarification and confirmation of the LAC to reach a common understanding of the alignment of the LAC”.

“In fact, the two sides had engaged in an exercise to clarify and confirm the LAC up to 2003, but this process could not proceed further as the Chinese side did not show a willingness to pursue it,” Srivastava said, putting the onus on Beijing.

“Therefore, the insistence now of the Chinese side that there is only one LAC is contrary to the solemn commitments made by China in these agreements,” he said.

“As we have previously made clear, the Indian side has always respected and abided by the LAC. As the Defence Minister stated in Parliament recently, it is the Chinese side which, by its attempts to transgress the LAC in various parts of the Western Sector, has tried to unilaterally alter the status quo.”

In the last few months, the Chinese side, he said, has repeatedly affirmed that the current situation in the border areas should be resolved in accordance with the agreements signed between the two countries.

Referring to the September 10 meeting in Moscow between the Foreign Ministers, Srivastava said the Chinese side reiterated its commitment to abide by all the existing agreements.


“We therefore expect that the Chinese side will sincerely and faithfully abide by all agreements and understandings in their entirety and refrain from advancing an untenable unilateral interpretation of the LAC,” he said.

The Indian response, sharp in tone and tenor, after the sixth round of Corps Commander-level talks, which was also attended by a senior Indian diplomat, signals that the two sides have hardened their positions diplomatically as well.

At the talks, the two sides had agreed not to engage in “escalatory behaviour” along the LAC. While there was no agreement on “disengagement” at the friction points, the two sides came to an understanding on not escalating the situation given that troops of the two armies continue to be within firing range of each other.

“They agreed to earnestly implement the important consensus reached by the leaders of the two countries, strengthen communication on the ground, avoid misunderstandings and misjudgments, stop sending more troops to the frontline, refrain from unilaterally changing the situation on the ground, and avoid taking any actions that may complicate the situation,” a joint press release stated after the meeting.

Sources said that if “non-escalatory behaviour” holds for a reasonable period of time, it will give confidence to take the next step. And to take the process forward, sources said, another round of talks could then take place between the commanders and the diplomats.

But Beijing’s latest remarks reflect a hardening of stance. Hopes of an early resolution of the Ladakh crisis are fast receding, and it appears that the two armies will have to keep their troops deployed in the region through the winter months.

 

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The Chinese have always considered Ladakh as part of western Tibet. They have never recognised the Indian rule.

What will Pakistani position be if China takes it?

China has taken a lot of Indian land since the 60's and India has not been able to get any of it back.

What will the US position be if China indeed takes Ladakh?
 

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Pakistan position is clear and indian nightmare of a two front war would be upon them. China wants tibet to be connected to gawadar via laddakh and IIOJK. This is strategic to china as in case of blockade by US and allies in east and south china sea, the route through Pakistan would be life line. China wants to enhance this lifeline by connecting tibet and qinghai province in addition to xinjian to gawadar.
 

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No, China will not invade Ladakh. China has no territorial claim over Ladakh and does not consider it part of 'Western Tibet'.
China's position is that Ladakh is disputed territory, and as other parts of Kashmir, its fate should be decided according to the 1947 UN Resolution. However, China does claim Aksai Chin and rejects the Indian claim that Aksai Chin is part of Ladakh, therefore part of the disputed territory of Jammu and Kashmir, as the British Raj/India has never controlled Aksai Chin.
Unless India fires the first shot, China will not invade Ladakh. And even in the case of a Sino-Indian war, China will not permanently occupy Ladakh whatsoever.
Our international reputation as well as long term strategic interest is much more important than Ladakh.
 

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