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I disagree, we will see it in our life time but we will need China's help in letting people visit Xinjiang as tourist visitors and see for themselves...in fact, some Pakistani vloggers are popular enough to become a strong voice for China within Pakistan & the Muslim world due to their popularity on the social media (ESPECIALLY lady vloggers like mehr sher & maleeha hashmi for example).
Uyghur issue is just one of the "buttons" that they can push to get you people all work up, and there are countless such buttons. They can even fabricate one in a hurry if they need to, such as in "WMD".
 

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Uyghur issue is just one of the "buttons" that they can push to get you people all work up, and there are countless such buttons. They can even fabricate one in a hurry if they need to, such as in "WMD".
and THAT'S why it'll take our own vloggers to give our people a reality check. the common denominator between your people and my people is the common distrust of the western media. if our own vloggers present their vlogs from Chinese soils stating that it is all lies spewed by the same western media that raised hysteria about the Iraqi WMDs, our masses WILL listen. Right now, they don't realize that this is propaganda spewed by western media and their cronies within China. It'll take one of our own ON China's soil stating that this is all a lie and "here's the proof" (in video form). on TOP of that, if the vlogger is a Pakistani sister, people WILL buy that lock stock n barrel, because they hate "westernized liberals trash" and a Pakistani lady exposing the western media lies can't POSSIBLY be "westernized liberal trash" and being a lady, they'll feel that sense of honor in believing her. strange how our mindset works but that IS the truth.

lies always get caught, one way or another. frankly, I think the real winner here is their daughter...she probably conned the sympathetic muslims in Turkey for a lotta money AND must've taken a fortune from the cia as well, then POOOF...probably disappeared.
 

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and THAT'S why it'll take our own vloggers to give our people a reality check. the common denominator between your people and my people is the common distrust of the western media. if our own vloggers present their vlogs from Chinese soils stating that it is all lies spewed by the same western media that raised hysteria about the Iraqi WMDs, our masses WILL listen. Right now, they don't realize that this is propaganda spewed by western media and their cronies within China. It'll take one of our own ON China's soil stating that this is all a lie and "here's the proof" (in video form). on TOP of that, if the vlogger is a Pakistani sister, people WILL buy that lock stock n barrel, because they hate "westernized liberals trash" and a Pakistani lady exposing the western media lies can't POSSIBLY be "westernized liberal trash" and being a lady, they'll feel that sense of honor in believing her. strange how our mindset works but that IS the truth.
If your people's understanding on an issue has to reply on "who say what", the sentiment of the masses will still be in danger of being minipulated. There is no magic in the sleeve of vloggers. They can be "bought", "smeared", "discredited", "substituted", "threatened", "dismissed", just like any media, "free" or "state controlled".

Critical thinking should be taught to masses in early childhood, but in a religious country it is a mission impossible. That's why I am not so optimistic.
 

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If your people's understanding on an issue has to reply on "who say what", the sentiment of the masses will still be in danger of being minipulated. There is no magic in the sleeve of vloggers. They can be "bought", "smeared", "discredited", "substituted", "threatened", "dismissed", just like any media, "free" or "state controlled".

Critical thinking should be taught to masses in early childhood, but in a religious country it is a mission impossible. That's why I am not so optimistic.
Again, I disagree. If you study The Quran carefully, you will fast realize that Islam is one of those few religions in the world (honestly, the ONLY religion in the world) that It actually teaches critical thinking and even cognitive thinking instead of taking everything said and told at face value. And then, if you study the history of Muslims carefully, you will realize that our mindset became the way it did NOT because of the Islamic religion but rather, by blindly following those who claim to be scholars of Islam. you will fast realize that the masses were pulled away from The Holy Quran because these so called scholars did two things:
1. gained the trust of the masses being acting like stand up right practicing teachers of the fait nd
2. convincing the masses that oh hey, the book is too complicated for you, I'll teach you what it says cuz you know, you can "trust" me.
now I'd hate to sound like a conspiracy theorisgt but what does that sound like? manipulation by intelligence agencies. yes, that is a sad fact of our history, that's how sectarianism set into a once largest empire history has ever known and only proper education can replace that. You gave me a much appreciated compliment that not many people critically think like I do. My friend, the way I think is owed 100% to The Holy Quran. many years ago, I honestly thought the same way the rest of us do...but once I chose to part ways with "clergy" or "mullahs" (if you will) and study The Quran on my own, slowly, I changed. It is THE ONE SINGLE BOOK that I diligently study almost every single day, in a way, it GROOMED me to be what I am.

to summarize,
europe fell into darkness when it followed the bible and rose to light when it stopped following it.
Muslims rose to light when we followed The Quran, fell into darkness when we stopped following It.
 

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Again, I disagree. If you study The Quran carefully, you will fast realize that Islam is one of those few religions in the world (honestly, the ONLY religion in the world) that It actually teaches critical thinking and even cognitive thinking instead of taking everything said and told at face value. And then, if you study the history of Muslims carefully, you will realize that our mindset became the way it did NOT because of the Islamic religion but rather, by blindly following those who claim to be scholars of Islam. you will fast realize that the masses were pulled away from The Holy Quran because these so called scholars did two things:
1. gained the trust of the masses being acting like stand up right practicing teachers of the fait nd
2. convincing the masses that oh hey, the book is too complicated for you, I'll teach you what it says cuz you know, you can "trust" me.
now I'd hate to sound like a conspiracy theorisgt but what does that sound like? manipulation by intelligence agencies. yes, that is a sad fact of our history, that's how sectarianism set into a once largest empire history has ever known and only proper education can replace that. You gave me a much appreciated compliment that not many people critically think like I do. My friend, the way I think is owed 100% to The Holy Quran. many years ago, I honestly thought the same way the rest of us do...but once I chose to part ways with "clergy" or "mullahs" (if you will) and study The Quran on my own, slowly, I changed. It is THE ONE SINGLE BOOK that I diligently study almost every single day, in a way, it GROOMED me to be what I am.

to summarize,
europe fell into darkness when it followed the bible and rose to light when it stopped following it.
Muslims rose to light when we followed The Quran, fell into darkness when we stopped following It.
It's nice to know that you changed the way of thinking after studying The Holy Quran on your own, but majority of your countrymen will stay the way it has always been, and I don't see any major social change coming.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree. Best wishes to Pakistan and her people in the New Year!
 

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It's nice to know that you changed the way of thinking after studying The Holy Quran on your own, but majority of your countrymen will stay the way it has always been, and I don't see any major social change coming.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree. Best wishes to Pakistan and her people in the New Year!
At end of the day I dont see Sino-Pakistan ties fraying anytime soon China has invested lump sums of investments in CPEC Pakistan in order to break away from the Anglo American Order needs China state to state will stay constant dont get too involved in the petty politics of the diaspora and public who can pushed time to time
 

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LMAO at Muslims giving China PR advice. It should be illegal to be that hilarious. Be thankful that we're on a Pakistani forum and it's out of respect for our hosts that I'm restraining myself. You can't imagine the sheer quantity of abuse I want to heap on you and your kind. Just reading the endless torrent of sh*t I can send your way would make you tear your hair out.
On the internet,anyone can be anything.Whine as much as you wish.That's all you keyboard warrior brats can do.Hide behind your keyboard & talk big.No wonder a country 10 times smaller than you went through your country like hot knife through butter less than 82 years ago.
Be thankful that you're on a Pakistani forum with mods who favor you & majority posters who are hypocrites turning blind eye towards your filth.

Obviously, I thought u are open to reasoning but apparently you are not despite facts back by video presented. China is right not to open to democracy becos popular decision by ordinary can easily sway and overwhelm by mass media opinion as proven here. I am worry about the day when hassina is gone and Bangladesh hijacked by Islamic hardcore. The hardwork of Bangladesh will go down the drain. China system is the text guide book for all countries of how not to ruin a country.

Mark my words!
I can find plenty Indians posting this kinda video saying things are very chill in Kashmir.However, we all know the crimes Indians are actually committing in IoK.
More reliable sources than what you have posted presents a grim picture of Xinjiang. So,I'm inclined not to believe this video.
I'll change my mind when I personally visit Xinjiang & see for myself if things are as rosy as you claim.I'd even publicly apologize in this forum if I'm proven false.
 

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It's nice to know that you changed the way of thinking after studying The Holy Quran on your own, but majority of your countrymen will stay the way it has always been, and I don't see any major social change coming.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree. Best wishes to Pakistan and her people in the New Year!
To the China and her people as well. :) Change has already begun, I'm evidence of that. Slowly but surely, it's getting there.
 

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On the internet,anyone can be anything.Whine as much as you wish.That's all you keyboard warrior brats can do.Hide behind your keyboard & talk big.No wonder a country 10 times smaller than you went through your country like hot knife through butter less than 82 years ago.
Be thankful that you're on a Pakistani forum with mods who favor you & majority posters who are hypocrites turning blind eye towards your filth.


I can find plenty Indians posting this kinda video saying things are very chill in Kashmir.However, we all know the crimes Indians are actually committing in IoK.
More reliable sources than what you have posted presents a grim picture of Xinjiang. So,I'm inclined not to believe this video.
I'll change my mind when I personally visit Xinjiang & see for myself if things are as rosy as you claim.I'd even publicly apologize in this forum if I'm proven false.
Chinese received no favouritism and in fact is the most abuse. Turkish are the most protected members here. Here we even have a moderator specialise targeting Chinese members and ban us on the slight of provocation. Turkish members even has moderator protecting members insulting Chinese and most of the time, they can get away with it.

Example
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/dron...n-the-middle-east.647562/page-5#post-11976234

While here has not a single enthic Chinese moderator to side with Chinese members. Stop another fake allegation of favouritism for Chinese here. Your fake allegation is just like your fake rant against Chinese abuse of Uyghur people. All are ranting with no real proven evidence to back your allegation.
 
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There are some serious claims made in the first post most importantly:
(1) Survey: ΣX = 8 when population is in millions.(No, you do not understand, this is serious claim)
(2) Credibility of mentioned personalities.
(3) Manipulation of media without confirmation.
(4) Organization backed and funded by CIA.
(5) Terrorists organization funded by CIA: An extension of Al- Qaida network.
(6) Vocational camps or let us say Rehabilitation camps.
Some points Op has put seems understandable. I myself do not trust what western media says. I have seen the case of WMDs of Iraq, I have seen the case of 9/11, Dr. Afia Siddiqui's case, Afghanistan's case. I am also aware of their beef with Chinese.
So, I do not trust western media and specially western and Indian source which is hub of yellow journalism.
If you look at Russia , you will see that they are also on verge to control their internet by working with following alternative.As usual BBC once again remarks of "censorship" but I start to feel that it is more than that: "Controlling negative influence and manipulation of people." People don't even understand that news is false or not but they start to believe it the moment "personal analysis" and "personal agenda" is pushed multiple times.They don't understand this subliminal control and without any evidence began to accept lies.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-50902496
The technology of internet was created during World war by American pioneer (Fish! I love Americans) and around 1995 it was opened for public. Giving civilian influence cannot deny the fact that this hub is no longer serving it 's purpose. This technology is getting out of control and smart organization and agencies who understands the formula uses it's full potential to serve their agenda. You will stop using fb if I tell you how they arranged simple experiment to observe out your emotional response by merely changing your news feeds?
PTI used heavily internet to increase their vote bank, youth was already fan of Imran Khan, all was needed to put the case infront of youth.I am really happy for that because provided that our politicians are useless and lacked leadership skills.We were so lucky that Khan was and is eligible.I myself casted my vote to him.
Remember the time when nobody liked Malala Yousufzai? Pakistani wanted Abdul Sattar Edhi to be the rightful candidate of Nobel Peace Prize? Do you remember how Pakistani awam was forced to like Yousufzai?
Not to forget how Turkish president crushed rebel groups overnight by conveying his message to public via internet?
However, since it is all over internet, therefore China really needs to give free visit to those camps, allow unbiased sources to visit and should speak with their respective counterparts with strong eye contact if what they say is true.
Regards
 
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Of the 1.4 billion Chinese, only 10 million are uyghurs.
Dumb muricunts and their equally dumb cheerleaders: 100 million uyghurs are suffering!
Idiots
 

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