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Chinese are short-sighted.A country with so much potential, yet going down the wrong way just because of the insecurity of one party.
Unfortunately, I don't think the common Chinese realizes the downward spiral of their country. CCP has successfully destroyed their ability to think for themselves.
funny from third world country people like you questioning Chinese abilities to think, we lifted 700 millions people out of poverty in last 30 years and grow the economy more than 200 fold, and make western whites tremble, what did you so called independent thinkers do?

Xinjiang has high speed rail, metro rails, per capital gdp going to $10,000 in a few years, what do you have?

you never went to xinjiang, no first hand ground knowledge but repeating same western propaganda lies which called Iraq has weapons of mass destruction etc. are the real fools
 
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china is not doing itself any favours here

Taiwan is watching and Hong Kong is already gone

China was on a great path but somewhere they went wrong

rather than taking revenge against people who committed crimes against china when china was weak they decided to start punishing their own citizens ? what the hell ?

all that effort and modernisation came to nothing, this is how you create long term enemy and radicalise the next generation to attack you again

Care to rebuke any point in this video rather than blindly follow the others. I am disappointed allies like you listen to hearsay without deeply going into facts. Pakistan is already in a bad state and in fact, it is a decision chosen by Pakistan to destruction by attempt to destroy the last hope of Pakistan/China r/s if people like you continue to believe the slandering.

Shall I believe Pakistan torture of Baloch people reported by CNN or BBC? I think there is a reason for many reports of it.

Chinese are short-sighted.A country with so much potential, yet going down the wrong way just because of the insecurity of one party.
Unfortunately, I don't think the common Chinese realizes the downward spiral of their country. CCP has successfully destroyed their ability to think for themselves.
Obviously, I thought u are open to reasoning but apparently you are not despite facts back by video presented. China is right not to open to democracy becos popular decision by ordinary can easily sway and overwhelm by mass media opinion as proven here. I am worry about the day when hassina is gone and Bangladesh hijacked by Islamic hardcore. The hardwork of Bangladesh will go down the drain. China system is the text guide book for all countries of how not to ruin a country.

Mark my words!
 

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then why doesnt china allow a independent media to come and see what is happening in these camps without government minders ?
 

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Bye dont get your self put into a concentration camp. Be a good brain dead zombie for the commie party.
Let me take this opportunity to remind you what's happening to your ummah buddies at concentration camp. Of the countless humiliations and degradations they suffer every day, my favourite has to be that they're forced to sing Party songs to eat. No singing, no food. So, in a sense of solidarity, sing along with your brothers and sisters

Now they are attacking muslims and islam.
What China's doing is very Islamic. Allow me to demonstrate
حَتَّى يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ
You know that line means, of course. Surely a devout Muslim like yourself can read the Arabic. In case you're only a pretender who mouths the words without understanding, allow me to offer a translation: Until they pay the jizya (poll tax) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.

I don't know where I first read that line, but it's effect on me was positively electric. I think it's the greatest phrase ever put to paper. I bring it up here because it's exactly what's happening to the Uighurs: they are paying China the jizya they owe it with willing submission and they are most certainly feeling themselves subdued.

Chinese are short-sighted.A country with so much potential, yet going down the wrong way just because of the insecurity of one party.
LMAO at Muslims giving China PR advice. It should be illegal to be that hilarious. Be thankful that we're on a Pakistani forum and it's out of respect for our hosts that I'm restraining myself. You can't imagine the sheer quantity of abuse I want to heap on you and your kind. Just reading the endless torrent of sh*t I can send your way would make you tear your hair out.
 

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China detaining millions of Uyghurs? Serious problems with claims by US-backed NGO and far-right researcher ‘led by God’ against Beijing

Claims that China has detained millions of Uyghur Muslims are based largely on two studies. A closer look at these papers reveals US government backing, absurdly shoddy methodologies, and a rapture-ready evangelical researcher named Adrian Zenz.

By Ajit Singh and Max Blumenthal

The US House of Representatives passed the Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act on December 3, legislation which calls for the Donald Trump administration to impose sanctions against China over allegations that Beijing has detained millions of Muslim-majority Uyghurs in the western region of Xinjiang.

To drum up support for the sanctions bill, Western governments and media outlets have portrayed the People’s Republic as a human rights violator on par with Nazi Germany. Republican Rep. Chris Smith, for instance, denounced the Chinese government for what he called the “mass internment of millions on a scale not seen since the Holocaust,” in “modern-day concentration camps.”

The claim that China has detained millions of ethnic Uyghurs in its Xinjiang region is repeated with increasing frequency, but little scrutiny is ever applied. Yet a closer look at the figure and how it was obtained reveals a serious deficiency in data.

While this extraordinary claim is treated as unassailable in the West, it is, in fact, based on two highly dubious “studies.”

The first, by the US government-backed Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders, formed its estimate by interviewing a grand total of eight people.

The second study relied on flimsy media reports and speculation. It was authored by Adrian Zenz, a far-right fundamentalist Christian who opposes homosexuality and gender equality, supports “scriptural spanking” of children, and believes he is “led by God” on a “mission” against China.

As Washington ratchets up pressure on China, Zenz has been lifted out of obscurity and transformed almost overnight into a go-to pundit on Xinjiang. He has testified before Congress, providing commentary in outlets from the Wall Street Journal to Democracy Now!, and delivering expert quotes in the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists’ recent “China Cables” report. His Twitter bio notes that he is “moving across the Atlantic” from his native Germany.

Before Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal questioned Zenz about his religious “mission,” at a recent event about Xinjiang inside the US Capitol, he had received almost entirely uncritical promotion from Western media.

The Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders, which first popularized the “millions detained” figure, has also been able to operate without a hint of media scrutiny.

Washington-backed NGO claims millions detained after interviewing eight people
The “millions detained” figure was first popularized by a Washington, DC-based NGO that is backed by the US government, the Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD).

In a 2018 report submitted to the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination – often misrepresented in Western media as a UN-authored report – CHRD “estimate[d] that roughly one million members of ethnic Uyghurs have been sent to ‘re-education’ detention camps and roughly two million have been forced to attend ‘re-education’ programs in Xinjiang.” According to CHRD, this figure was “ased on interviews and limited data.”

While CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals.





Based on this absurdly small sample of research subjects in an area whose total population is 20 million, CHRD “extrapolated estimates” that “at least 10% of villagers […] are being detained in re-education detention camps, and 20% are being forced to attend day/evening re-education camps in the villages or townships, totaling 30% in both types of camps.”

Applying these estimated rates to the entirety of Xinjiang, CHRD arrived at the figures submitted to the UN claiming that one million ethnic Uyghurs have been detained in “re-education detention camps” and two million more have been “forced to attend day/evening re-education sessions”.

Thanks to questionable sources like the CHRD, the United States government has accused China of “arbitrarily detain[ing] 800,000 to possibly more than two million Uighurs, ethnic Kazakhs, and other Muslims in internment camps designed to erase religious and ethnic identities.”

Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2018, State Department official Scott Busby stated this this “is the U.S. government assessment, backed by our intelligence community and open source reporting.”

The Chinese government has rejected US allegations, and claims that it has in fact established “vocational education and training centers […] to prevent the breeding and spread of terrorism and religious extremism.” The Chinese Foreign Ministry has stated that “there [are] no so-called ‘re-education camps’ in Xinjiang at all. The vocational education and training centers legally operated in Xinjiang aim to help a small number of people affected by terrorist and extremist ideologies and equip them with skills, so that they can be self-reliant and re-integrate into society.”

In its mounting pressure campaign against China, the US is not only relying on CHRD for data; it is directly funding its operations. As Ben Norton and Ajit Singh previously reported for The Grayzone, CHRD receives significant financial support from Washington’s regime-change arm, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).

The NGO has spent years campaigning on behalf of extreme right-wing opposition figures who celebrate colonialism and call for the “Westernization” of China.

‘Leading expert’ on Xinjiang relies on speculation and one questionable media report
The second key source for claims that China has detained millions of Uyghur Muslims is Adrian Zenz. He is a senior fellow in China studies at the far-right Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, which was established by the US government in 1983.

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation is an outgrowth of the National Captive Nations Committee, a group founded by Ukrainian nationalist Lev Dobriansky to lobby against any effort for detente with the Soviet Union. Its co-chairman, Yaroslav Stetsko, was a top leader of the fascist OUN-B militia that fought alongside Nazi Germany during its occupation of Ukraine in World War Two. Together, the two helped found the World Anti-Communist League that was described by journalist Joe Conason as “the organizational haven for neo-Nazis, fascists, and anti-Semitic extremists from two dozen countries.”


Today, Dobriansky’s daughter, Paula, sits on the board of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. A former Reagan and George HW Bush official and signatory of the original Project for a New American Century document, Paula Dobriansky has become a fixture in neoconservative circles on Capitol Hill.

From its office in Washington, the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation agitates for regime change from Venezuela to the periphery of China, advancing the “double genocide” theorythat rewrites the history of the Holocaust and posits communism as a deadly evil on par with Hitlerian fascism.

Zenz’s politicized research on Xinjiang and Tibet has proven one of this right-wing group’s most effective weapons.

In September of 2018, Zenz wrote an article published in the Central Asian Survey journal concluding that “Xinjiang’s total re-education internment figure may be estimated at just over one million.” (A condensed version of the article was initially published by the Jamestown Foundation, a neoconservative think tank founded during the height of the Cold War by Reagan administration personnel with the support of then-CIA Director William J. Casey).

Like the CHRD, Zenz arrived at his estimate “over 1 million” in a dubious manner. He based it on a single report by Istiqlal TV, a Uyghur exile media organization based in Turkey, which was republished by Newsweek Japan. Far from an impartial journalistic organization, Istiqlal TV advances the separatist cause while playing host to an assortment of extremist figures.

One such character who often appears on Istiqlal TV is Abdulkadir Yapuquan, a reported leader of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), a separatist group that aims to establish an independent homeland in Xinjiang called East Turkestan.

ETIM has been designated as a terrorist organization with ties to al-Qaeda by the US, European Union, and UN Security Council’s Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee. The Associated Press has reported that since “2013, thousands of Uighurs… have traveled to Syria to train with the Uighur militant group Turkistan Islamic Party and fight alongside al-Qaida,” with “several hundred join[ing] the Islamic State.”

The Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP) has been among the most recalcitrant forces operating in the Al Qaeda-controlled Idlib province, rejecting all ceasefire efforts while indoctrinating children into militancy. TIP leadership has called on foreign Muslims to wage jihad in Syria, publishing an online recruitment video in 2018 that celebrated the 9/11 attacks as holy retaliation against a decadent United States awash in homosexuality and sin.


Children of the Turkistan Islamic Party in Idlib, Syria
According to the Los Angeles Times, Yapuquan is “a regular guest on Istiqlal TV… where his interviews often extended into hours-long emotional tirades against China.”

Turkish journalist Abdullah Bozkurt reported that Istiqlal TV has also hosted fanatical anti-Semites like Nureddin Yıldız, who in an interview on the network, “called for armed jihad not only in China’s autonomous Xinjiang region but all over the world and described China as a nation of savages, worse than the Jews.”


The Istiqlal TV report relied on by Zenz published an unverified table of “re-education detainee figures” allegedly “leaked” by Chinese authorities, totaling 892,000 individuals in 68 Xinjiang counties as of Spring 2018.

Zenz pads this data by citing reports from Radio Free Asia, a US-funded news agency created by the CIA during the Cold War to propagandize against China. (The Uyghur Human Rights Act recently passed by Congress mandates the US Agency for Global Media – the governmental parent of Radio Free Asia – to report on Xinjiang, including “assessments of Chinese propaganda strategies.”)

With his cobbling of questionable sources, Zenz extrapolates an extremely broad estimate “at anywhere between several hundred thousand and just over one million.”

While admitting that “there is no certainty” to his estimate, he has concluded that it is nevertheless “reasonable to speculate.” He attempted to evade personal responsibility for the figure’s questionable reliability, however, by stating “[t]he accuracy of this estimate is of course predicated on the supposed validity of the stated sources.”

As time goes on, Zenz continues to inflate his speculative estimate of Uyghur detainees. Speaking at an event organized by the US mission in Geneva in March 2019, Zenz stated, “Although it is speculative it seems appropriate to estimate that up to 1.5 million ethnic minorities [have been detained by China in Xinjiang].” Zenz bumped up his estimate again in a November 2019 interview with Radio Free Asia, claiming China was detaining 1.8 million people.

In an interview with Der Spiegel, Zenz claimed that China has effectively outlawed the practice of Islam in Xinjiang. “Anyone in Xinjiang who engages in any type of religious practice, anyone who even has a single Koran verse saved on their mobile phone, will be subjected to a brutal process of reeducation without trial,” he maintained.

These incendiary claims have vaulted Zenz to the status of international “expert” on Xinjiang, earned him invites to testify before US Congress and Canadian Parliament, and to deliver commentary in major US media outlets including The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, and Democracy Now!

Zenz has also been featured by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) as the leading authority legitimizing their recent “China Cables” investigation. The ICIJ report asserts that “[l]inguists, document and Xinjiang experts, including Zenz, who reviewed the documents have expressed confidence in their authenticity.”

Given Zenz’s habit of speculation and the questionable reliability of the lone Istiqlal TV media report he relies on for his estimates, it is troubling that Western governments and media have accepted and promoted his claims without a trace of skepticism.

A closer look at Zenz’s own biases should magnify these concerns, as he is a full-blown evangelical End Timer who appears to be believe that God has sent him on a holy crusade against the People’s Republic of China.

Fundamentalist Christian ‘led by God’ in mission against China, homosexuality, and gender equality
A born-again Christian who claims to preach at his local church, Adrian Zenz is a lecturer at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible [to be] the ultimate foundation and the final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.”

Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.”

Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.

Zenz outlined these views in a book he co-authored in 2012, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation. In the tome, Zenz discussed the return of Jesus Christ, the coming wrath of God, and the rise of the Antichrist.

Zenz predicted that the future fall of capitalism will bring to power the Antichrist within a “few decades.” He identified the force that “will usher the Antichrist into power” as “the economic and financial fall of ‘Babylon,’ with ‘Babylon’ symbolically representing the world’s global economic system (capitalism).”


“Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation,” by Adrian Zenz and Marlon L. Sias

Along with the fall of capitalism, Zenz also views “postmodern relativism and tolerance thinking” and their apparent promotion of homosexuality, gender equality, and non-violent parenting to be threats to Christianity and “[t]he deceptive, leopard-like power behind the Antichrist.”

“It is very likely that the global persecution of true believers will center on the charge that they promote ‘intolerant views,’” Zenz wrote, “especially related to preaching against homosexuality.”

Zenz argued that “[h]ate crime and anti-discrimination laws will likely play a major role in the suppression of biblical Christianity” and formed part of an “anti-Christian ‘tolerance’ campaign” because they “forbid employers to discriminate based on gender or sexual orientations.”

“The outcome of this process is open rebellion against both God and God-given human authority structures”, Zenz stated, decrying that “[r]ising numbers of countries are banning all forms of physical punishment of children, the primary scriptural method for instilling respect for authority in the young generation and protecting them from rebellious tendencies.” Zenz assures readers that “true scriptural spanking is loving discipline and not violence.”

“Another important God-given authority structure that Satan is attacking through the postmodern spirit is that of gender authority structures”, Zenz continued. “Through notions of gender equality […] the enemy is undermining God’s unique but different role assignments for men and women.”

Given these obscurantist right-wing views, it is not surprising that Zenz’s proclaimed concern for the condition of Muslims in China does not seem to extend to Muslims elsewhere.

A search of Zenz’s Twitter profile returns no tweets concerning the rise of Islamophobia in the West, nor US wars and drone strikes against Muslim-majority countries. The only Tweet by Zenz concerning Muslims that is unrelated to China is a denial that there is a double standard in how violence is judged when committed by white people compared to Muslims.



‘The End Times is a very fascinating topic’
In his December 10, 2019 testimony to the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Adrian Zenz took a victory lap of sorts for Congress’ passage of the Uyghur Human Rights Act the week before, which placed new sanctions on the Chinese government. Citing the bill’s success, he called for opening a new front against China with a US investigation into “involuntary labor in relation to Xinjiang.”


Adrian Zenz testifying before Congress on December 10, 2019
That same day, Zenz also appeared on a panel dedicated to Xinjiang that was hosted by the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation in the US Capitol Visitor Center.

On hand were Republican heavyweights like Sam Brownback, the ferociously anti-LGBT, anti-abortion former governor of Kansas and current US ambassador-at-large for religious freedom, as well as top staffers of Sen. Marco Rubio, the sponsor of virtually every China sanctions bill to be rubber-stamped by Congress in recent weeks.


Sam Brownback, a right-wing fundamentalist former senator, at the Victims of Communism panel on Xinjiang. (Zenz is second to his right).
During a question-and-answer session, The Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal asked Zenz about his fundamentalist religious views and far-right politics.

Zenz did not distance himself from his past statements denouncing gender equality and “tolerance thinking,” or his advocacy for the “scriptural spanking” of children. Instead, he asserted that there was no inconsistency between those views and the quality of his research on China’s Xinjiang region.

“I do have a diverse background and I have personal connections which I do not believe are inconsistent with my research,” Zenz responded to Blumenthal. “I do not support China’s authoritarian methods in any way, and I do believe there’s a God who is bringing judgment in different forms. The End Times is a very fascinating topic, a very complex topic, and I think, very relevant. And I think it’s good to live aware of that.”


Moments later, a visibly upset young man rose from his seat to “condemn the tankie Max Blumenthal.” Unleashing a torrent of insults at Blumenthal, he made no attempt to refute the journalist’s line of questioning.

The rigorously enforced conviction on display in the politically hermetic chambers of the US Capitol also encompasses the whole of Western media, where even purportedly progressive outlets have provided Zenz with an uncritical platform.

From Washington’s halls of power to major newsrooms, few are willing to let inconvenient facts get in the way of a new, undeniably faith-based Cold War crusade.
I for one, never bought that western backed ngo horse manure to begin with...as I said before, I know Chinese hui Muslims at our mosque here in the u.s. and they have relatives and families in China; aint nothin' goin' on against them; I have no reason to believe that if nothing is being done against hui Muslims, why would anything be done en mass against uyghur Muslims...but if there are some western intelligence assets who are uyghur then OF COURSE the state would act against 'em...don't we act against raw or mossad assets? Of course we do and we SHOULD...I mean, DUH!
 

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I for one, never bought that western backed ngo horse manure to begin with...as I said before, I know Chinese hui Muslims at our mosque here in the u.s. and they have relatives and families in China; aint nothin' goin' on against them; I have no reason to believe that if nothing is being done against hui Muslims, why would anything be done en mass against uyghur Muslims...but if there are some western intelligence assets who are uyghur then OF COURSE the state would act against 'em...don't we act against raw or mossad assets? Of course we do and we SHOULD...I mean, DUH!

How many of your countrymen possess the analytical skills you have shown here? From what I have seen on PDF, you seem to be in minority.

Ramadan, women trafficking, "concentration camp" etc., people with agenda seem to be able to find a right button everytime and play your countrymen like a fiddle.
 

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How many of your countrymen possess the analytical skills you have shown here? From what I have seen on PDF, you seem to be in minority.

Ramadan, women trafficking, "concentration camp" etc., people with agenda seem to be able to find a right button everytime and play your countrymen like a fiddle.
The Yanks always use this when a rival non western power gets in its way or starts to have cordial if very decent relations with the Muslim World as whole , its called "The Islamic Card", Zbigniew Brzezinski pioneered this concept during the Soviet incursion in Afghanistan in the 1970s and 1980s get the Muslim world so pissed off at said "atrocities" against fellow Muslims then use it against a rival power or country it worked with Soviets the Muslim world turned against them and they got their a//s beat and left in 1989. Same thing happen in 90s Yugoslavia , create rifts among the Croats,Bosniaks,Serbs, Slovenians,Macedonians,Albanians and whatever ethnic groups that made up the former Federal Yugoslavia .Prior to the conflicts Yugoslavia had excellent ties with Arab states since the Tito era it was an ally of Saddam Iraq as well plus it had one of the strongest armies in Eastern Europe the Americans wanted to control the Adriatic and Mediterranean sea keep the Russians away from the Balkans that was the main reason not to help the poor "Bosnian" and 'Albanian" Muslims they were just cannon fodder at best now look at the Balkans and Bosnia now they are poorer than in Yugoslav times losing population to emigration cause no jobs no safety net like in the Yugoslav era Bosnia is mess politically the Bosnians lost in not having a state of their own the Serbs/Croats have to share in a an uneasy union and they got 3 Freaking Presidents plus an EU rep that runs the damn place, same goes for Kosovo a state that is just a big US base with shady drug trafficking regime or so called "Government" that Washington sponsers, anyways the Yanks are so good at this they are now using the Uyghurs as an excuse for their geo political aims against a rising China whether you like Beijing or not for their tough stances in Western regions of Xinjiang the Yanks do not give a damn about the Uyghurs they are just slitty eyed sand n,,,ers for them ready to use against a geo political rival as in the past they used Muslims against the Soviets and Yugoslavs we never learned.
 

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How many of your countrymen possess the analytical skills you have shown here? From what I have seen on PDF, you seem to be in minority.

Ramadan, women trafficking, "concentration camp" etc., people with agenda seem to be able to find a right button everytime and play your countrymen like a fiddle.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...Muslims in general INCLUDING my countrymen need to start thinking with their minds instead of their hearts cuz hearts are ALWAYS easier to manipulate than minds...admittedly, it IS an uphill struggle but we'll get there. In sha Allah...
 

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The issue with China is there is a problem with Han Ethnic Supremacism in some of the public Chairman Mao did warn against that but I think since opening up of the 80s and 90s some of the Han have become arrogant with ethnic minorities I see two way street the Chinese authorities until fairly recently have been lax with public relations they are not as quite forceful as with the Russians with RT,Gulf Arabs with Al Jazeera or the Turks with TRT,Chinese soft power is very lacking and uninspiring tbh
 

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Han supremacism is the biggest threat to the world. CCP are a Han supremacist Party. That’s why they are committing genocide against non-Han people in China. Tibetans and Uyghurs are being ethnically cleansed like how the Nazis ethnically cleansed the Jews in Germany. The Nazi Party believed in the same concept as the Chinese Communist Party. The core ideology of both Parties is racial supremacy. KKK did the same thing.

Tibetan people have been wiped out. Uyghur people are being wiped out right now. Makes me so sad for innocent people being slaughtered just for being different. CCP are not even sparing the Uyghur children. These are human beings the CCP are butchering. Don’t the CCP have an ounce of humanity in them?
 

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Putting one Uyghur in a concentration camp is disgusting. They are human beings. For the CCP and CCP trolls, Uyghurs are not human beings, it is just a statistic. That’s why they argue whether it is a million or 500,000 or 100,000 or 50,000. CCP is a murderous mafia organisation that have taken over the country of China. Human life is nothing to them. That’s why they have zero human rights.
So how about the genocide (which have been proved) by Australian gov towards aborigines?

This claim by Western regimes on China has not been proved (and rejected even by Turkish government), and as usual, is highly likely to be faked or exaggerated. If you say 01 million, the real number maybe only one thousand.
 

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I've said it before and I'll say it again...Muslims in general INCLUDING my countrymen need to start thinking with their minds instead of their hearts cuz hearts are ALWAYS easier to manipulate than minds...admittedly, it IS an uphill struggle but we'll get there. In sha Allah...
You are right, except we are not going to see that in our life time.
 

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So how about the genocide (which have been proved) by Australian gov towards aborigines?

This claim by Western regimes on China has not been proved (and rejected even by Turkish government), and as usual, is highly likely to be faked or exaggerated. If you say 01 million, the real number maybe only one thousand.
So you’re perfectly fine with the CCP putting 1,000 human beings in concentration camps? WOW, just WOW.

As for Aboriginals, I’m disgusted the way they have been treated by successive Australian governments over the decades. While you have no problem with the CCP putting human beings in concentration camps, I condemn the actions of the Australian government towards Aboriginal people. They are our fellow human beings.
 

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You are right, except we are not going to see that in our life time.
I disagree, we will see it in our life time but we will need China's help in letting people visit Xinjiang as tourist visitors and see for themselves...in fact, some Pakistani vloggers are popular enough to become a strong voice for China within Pakistan & the Muslim world due to their popularity on the social media (ESPECIALLY lady vloggers like mehr sher & maleeha hashmi for example).
 

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So you’re perfectly fine with the CCP putting 1,000 human beings in concentration camps? WOW, just WOW.

As for Aboriginals, I’m disgusted the way they have been treated by successive Australian governments over the decades. While you have no problem with the CCP putting human beings in concentration camps, I condemn the actions of the Australian government towards Aboriginal people. They are our fellow human beings.
I would feel sorry for the Uighurs if they were not the radical Muslims. But I believe they are (if there are such camps). Same as Guantanamo.

In the meantime, Australia treated all the Aborigines (much larger than 1,000) in inhuman way, just because they are different, not because they have anything against the government.

No comparison here.
 
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