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Discussion in 'China & Far East' started by beijingwalker, Feb 10, 2013.
China builds one skyscraper every five days
When do you think the saturation point will be achieved on this?
People say that China is building too much infrastructure.
I think that is a joke. Look at the per-capita amount of infrastructure in China compared to the developed countries, we are still a long way behind in terms of infrastructure per person.
We're building so much, because we are still so far behind. We are trying to become a developed country.
India Plans one skyscraper everyday
Jokes Apart , Good thing . This shows how far Chinese fellas have reached in construction .
china is trying to show how great they are.
have most of the biggest buildings in the world, have the biggest army, the most culture, be the best at art, sports etc..
china is wanting to shine like a beacon like it is better then every other country and people in the world.
china's sense of nationalism is profound, it is a real belief that china is greater then anywhere else, that they as a race are superior to others, that they are destined to rule the world.
so they try to project that and have aggressively expanded this thought into material things. they are asserting themselves...
it has happened many times in history, we have seen this kind of thing time and time again...
China simply wants to restore its primacy in East Asia and focus on internal matters. Traditional spheres of influence must be regained and ground made up after the dismal fall of the Qing and loss of the mandate of heaven.
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build one skyscraper every five days? about 73 every year.that is not too many.china has hundreds of large and medium-sized cities ,many of them still don't have skyscrapers,so china's skyscraper tide has not come..
I don't know if China is building too much or not; I just hope China is thinking things through. I can still remember the time I got into a discussion with one Chinese scientist who said it was fine for China to build lots of nuclear reactors, they could just dump the waste in the Gobi, didn't even need to bury it, nobody would care...and in America we have problems with politicians who like new projects more than adequately funding maintenance for existing ones. Hidden or denied costs tend to pile up, then lead to sudden bankruptcy. That's what happened to New York City in the 1970s and it took intervention by the federal government to save it.
Rather than skyscrapers that may remain empty for a generation why not plan new parks, green spaces, and community centers? Rather than celebrate a new factory why not advocate emissions-control systems on existing ones? Instead of new hydropower dams why not build smaller ones to control water pollution from mines and agricultural runoff?
Everyone is so get-rich-quick....you've forgotten the patient industrial investment of your ancestors. Chinese potters laid down kaolin pits that took a century to mature. They knew they would never use them but their great-grandchildren would, just as they used the pits laid down by their great-grandfathers.
what"scientist"is that,that's total BS.China is one of the leading investors for clean and renewable energy in this world.enviornment is always the top concern of the Chinese people and the government.forget about your western propaganda,they are total nonsense.
We are now the number 1 investors in green energy:
How China overtook the US in renewable energy | News | guardian.co.uk
Also, we need skyscrapers. They are by far the most efficient use of land, compared to other forms of housing.
We are urbanizing at a rate that has never been seen before in the world. Skyscrapers are necessary, I don't see any alternative considering the staggering number of people that move to the urban areas every year.
Short-termism is a big problem of course, and always has been. But in terms of skyscrapers there really are not many other options.
Clean energy technologies accelerating worldwide
Published : Friday, January 18th, 2013
By : Imelda Abano
Category : Energy
Region : Global
Tags : clean energy, energy efficiency, energy intensity, energy security, infrastructure, investment
A scientist who realized that he would never receive as much reward and recognition as those scientists whose messes he was cleaning up. This happened about twenty years ago.
Because much of the equipment is manufactured for export and the fact that huge China itself is adding generating capacity at an astonishing rate makes even a fingernail fragment of "green" energy appear huge. Correct the numbers by eliminating export trade and calculate on a per-capita basis to come up with a more accurate comparison - and even then the need for remedial solutions in China has no current parallel elsewhere.
As a matter of construction and land use, yes, but as a matter of people, watch out! U.S. urban planners tried this approach from the 1950s-1980s and the results were neighborhoods of high-rise, high-crime slums. I urge China to learn from this experience - and not to fool themselves by thinking that an engineer can do the job of a really good architect.
I'm not against skyscrapers. Indeed, I think that skyscrapers surrounded by large green spaces would transform cities for the better. But building huge empty ones can drive rentals down, forcing landlords into bankruptcy and paradoxically causing neighborhoods to decay, making matters worse. There are ways to deal with these problems but I don't know if the Chinese do so.
that''s the least you should worry about ,come to China and check it out,landlords are ****** rich,both rent an hoursing price is rocketing and there's no sign of weakening for more than a decade,China just has so so so many people and a lot of them are getting rich really fast,China will become a domestic driven economy in no time.
Never knew NYC was almost bankrupt, did some searching and discovered the following:
History of New York City (1946
US economic stagnation in the 1970s hit New York City particularly hard, as trading on the New York Stock Exchange fell while the city's welfare spending continued. The city neared bankruptcy during the administration of Mayor Abraham Beame but avoided that fate with the aid of a large federal loan.
As for crimes
The 1970s are regarded by some as New York's nadir. The city had become notorious the world over for high rates of crime and other social disorders. A popular song in the autumn of 1972, "American City Suite," by Cashman & West, chronicled, in allegorical fashion, the decline in the city's quality of life. The city's subway system was regarded as unsafe due to crime and suffered frequent mechanical breakdowns. Prostitutes and pimps frequented Times Square, while Central Park became feared as the site of muggings and rapes. Homeless persons and drug dealers occupied boarded-up and abandoned buildings.
The New York City Blackout of 1977 struck on July 13 of that year and lasted for 25 hours, during which black and Hispanic neighborhoods fell prey to destruction and looting. Over 3,000 people were arrested, and the city's already crowded prisons were so overburdened that some suggested reopening the recently condemned Manhattan Detention Complex.
The situation in NYC is different compared to China, so building skyscrapers rapidly isn't going to result NYC 70s. Still Chinese planners need to think carefully how to change the cityscape, apply clean energy etc.