China abandons “zero cause” policy after the riots

[beijingwalker]

Okay, you'll learn the hard way not to rely on Arabs against us, the USSR tried that, they will dissapoint you

We'll see, China is not USSR, we are a much much better one.

 

[Bleek]

Okay, you'll learn the hard way not to rely on Arabs against us, the USSR tried that, they will dissapoint you

Arabs just had horrible military equipment

Chinese equipment much better in comparison to USSR equipment in relation to western equipment

 

[Beny Karachun]

China already has proven ICBM interception capabilities multiple times over a decade.

China releases video of anti-missile interception test

Footage of the test of a midcourse missile was released in the build-up to a major political gathering this month.

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China tests midcourse missile interception system

On Sunday, China conducted an anti-ballistic missile (ABM) test within its borders. China’s Defense Ministry briefly described it as a successful land-based midcourse missile interception test, emp…

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China conducts successful land-based mid-course missile interception test

China's Defense Ministry said China successfully carried out a mid-course land-based missile interception test.

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China Tests Midcourse Missile Defense System | Missile Threat

On February 5, China’s Defense Ministry claimed to have successfully tested a midcourse missile defense system. The Ministry’s short announcement reads: “China carried out a land-based mid-course missile interception test within its territory on Feb. 5, 2018 and achieved the desired test...

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What China’s Missile Intercept Test Means

Beijing recently carried out its second test of an interceptor missile, but that does not mean China has decided to build a national missile defense system.

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ISR has no early warning satellites, very few spy satellites, and a tiny navy. Without a global navy, they cannot track PLAN SSBNs. Without early warning satellites, missiles can only be detected after they rise above the radar horizon, assuming a powerful enough tracking radar (that you don't have). Without spy satellites, they cannot see Chinese missiles being moved.

China meanwhile has the largest spy satellite fleet in the world, accounting for half of the world's total, more than the US.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1597643178672238595

Most Chinese don't have an opinion on your country probably because it isn't of great importance to China. Too bad you can't say the same. Love it or hate it, China is one of the most important countries in the world and decisions made in China affect all of humanity.

China has garbage tier S400/S300 derivative air defenses. A joke.

Nothing like the Arrow 3 exoatmospheric interceptor with well over 2400km range. And also can be used as an anti-satellite missile.

Israel had the Arrow 1 and 2 interceptors for many years as well.

Israel has full access to the US early warning satellite network and access to all American radars, Israel and the US have a joint air defense command in Israel.

LOL, Israeli radars are among the most powerful in the world, EL/M-2080B has at least 900km range detection capability, and Block C has more than that.

Those radars are mounted in countries around Israel to combat Iran.

Israelis don't care about China either, it's just that I particularly hate the Chinese government.

Arabs just had horrible military equipment

Chinese equipment much better in comparison to USSR equipment in relation to western equipment

No lol, back in the 60s and 70s Soviet equipment was even superior in many cases. That's why Israel captured many Soviet tanks and converted them to the Tiran tank and used it much more successfully than the Arabs.

Air defense wise Soviets were better, they had night vision which we didn't, had strategic bombers, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, AKMs were much better than our Uzi submachineguns and other battle rifles.

We'll see, China is not USSR, we are a much much better one.

Okay just warning you, we have a 7 times win streak over them

 

[kingQamaR]

Lol, you hate Israel because of the voice of a single Israeli that angered you over a defense forum chat?

Not all Israelis share thoughts as me, and you could find people hating the Chinese government in any country. You just try to find a way to attack my country because I attack yours.

Honestly it's kinda retarded to think Israel or China will ever fight, just understand my point - I hate Communists to death. I hate dictatorship governments. I hate all capable law bending leaders. That's why I'll always hate the Chinese government.

China's scientific and manufacturing efforts are admirable but its authoritarian government is pushing into the lives of the individual and that's unforgivable.

Without ongoing US financial, diplomatic, and financial backing, the Zionists will be held publicly accountable for their atrocities against the Palestinian people, and Israel will shrivel up and die, at least as a “Jewish state.”

This is as it should be. The Zionists are not the most ethical people, or the sharpest tools in the shed

 

[Beny Karachun]

Without ongoing US financial, diplomatic, and financial backing, the Zionists will be held publicly accountable for their atrocities against the Palestinian people, and Israel will shrivel up and die, at least as a “Jewish state.”

This is as it should be. The Zionists are not the most ethical people, or the sharpest tools in the shed

You said financial twice. US financial aid is more of an investment it profits from and it's less than 1 percent of Israel's GDP so I hardly see it as something Israel depends on. Diplomatic? Not really either, diplomacy is kinda BS.

Zionists quite literally are the sharpest tools in the shed.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

China has garbage tier S400/S300 derivative air defenses. A joke.

Nothing like the Arrow 3 exoatmospheric interceptor with well over 2400km range. And also can be used as an anti-satellite missile.

Israel had the Arrow 1 and 2 interceptors for many years as well.

Israel has full access to the US early warning satellite network and access to all American radars, Israel and the US have a joint air defense command in Israel.

LOL, Israeli radars are among the most powerful in the world, EL/M-2080B has at least 900km range detection capability, and Block C has more than that. View attachment 902538

Those radars are mounted in countries around Israel to combat Iran.

Israelis don't care about China either, it's just that I particularly hate the Chinese government.

Chinese never claim anything, we just do it. US already detected the midcourse interceptors. S300/400 isn't a midcourse interceptor and has nothing to do with CNMD, try again. Israel isn't exactly top tier in electronics or rocketry so there's no reason to believe anything you claim about your missiles. Israelis can claim anything they want, but when it's time to show proof, nothing happens. All I know is that Israel only has 45 nm semiconductors, and they bought it from Japan. Otherwise the actual fab in Israel itself is 0.18 um, a technology node from the 1990's.

Tower Semiconductor - Wikipedia

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It doesn't matter that Israel has access to US satellites. US admits that China has half the world's entire inventory of spy satellites, thus more than the rest of the world put together.

You don't have really have a choice to care or not. You have to care because China's moves, whether military or economic, influences your country's future. But the reverse isn't true. There's nothing Israel can do to change Chinese decisionmaking.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Chinese never claim anything, we just do it. US already detected the midcourse interceptors. S300/400 isn't a midcourse interceptor and has nothing to do with CNMD, try again. Israel isn't exactly top tier in electronics or rocketry so there's no reason to believe anything you claim about your missiles. Israelis can claim anything they want, but when it's time to show proof, nothing happens. All I know is that Israel only has 45 nm semiconductors, and they bought it from Japan. Otherwise the actual fab in Israel itself is 0.18 um, a technology node from the 1990's.

Tower Semiconductor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It doesn't matter that Israel has access to US satellites. US admits that China has half the world's entire inventory of spy satellites, thus more than the rest of the world put together.

You don't have really have a choice to care or not. You have to care because China's moves, whether military or economic, influences your country's future. But the reverse isn't true. There's nothing Israel can do to change Chinese decisionmaking.

What😂 Israel is top tier at both electronics and rocketry. David's Sling, Arrow 3 are joint Israeli-American projects.

Israeli Semiconductor Companies - AnySilicon

Last update: Feb-2021 This article is an attempt to gather all the Israeli Semiconductor Companies into a single document. Israel’s semiconductor industry consists mainly of three types of companies – multinational IC design companies, fabless companies, and ASIC design services companies...

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Category:Semiconductor companies of Israel - Wikipedia

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Just half a year ago Intel bought Israeli Tower Semiconductors for 5.4 billion dollars. Israel has a 10/14/22nm Fab in Kiryat Gat, my uncle works there by the way.

‘Every Die Wants to Live’: Inside Fab 28, Intel’s Elite Chip-Making Site

We traveled to Israel for a rare look inside the facility—and clean room!—that churns out Intel’s most advanced 10nm processors. Come on in.

www.pcmag.com

US has far more satellites than you considering SpaceX has more than just internet capabilities

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

What😂 Israel is top tier at both electronics and rocketry. David's Sling, Arrow 3 are joint Israeli-American projects.

Israeli Semiconductor Companies - AnySilicon

Last update: Feb-2021 This article is an attempt to gather all the Israeli Semiconductor Companies into a single document. Israel’s semiconductor industry consists mainly of three types of companies – multinational IC design companies, fabless companies, and ASIC design services companies...

anysilicon.com

Category:Semiconductor companies of Israel - Wikipedia

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Just half a year ago Intel bought Israeli Tower Semiconductors for 5.4 billion dollars. Israel has a 10/14/22nm Fab in Kiryat Gat, my uncle works there by the way.

‘Every Die Wants to Live’: Inside Fab 28, Intel’s Elite Chip-Making Site

We traveled to Israel for a rare look inside the facility—and clean room!—that churns out Intel’s most advanced 10nm processors. Come on in.

www.pcmag.com

US has far more satellites than you considering SpaceX has more than just internet capabilities

10/14/22 nm? cute. owned by foreign Intel of course.

SMIC has 7 nm. Not claimed, but proven through Canadians reverse engineering a SMIC product.

SMIC process is 7nm, says Tech Insights

Teardown specialist consultancy Tech Insights (Ottawa, Canada) has classed the N+1 process from Chinese foundry SMIC as a 7nm process.

www.eenewseurope.com

Yet again, Chinese don't brag about anything but just take action and the rest of the world reacts to our reality. Meanwhile Israelis claim claim claim but where's the proof of anything?

For a 'top tier country in rocketry' I don't see many (or any) space launches. China launched the most.

2021 in spaceflight - Wikipedia

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For a 'top tier country in electronics' I don't see that reflected in actual statistics. Again with the claims without evidence.

China's share of global wafer capacity continues to climb

Worldwide IC wafer capacity at the end of 2021 was 21.6 million 200mm-equivalent wafers per month, with fabs in China having the capacity to process 3.5 million.

www.design-reuse.com

 

[langda khan]

Nice.

Israel pissing off China and India together.

Barely see eye to eye with Russia.

Interesting times we live in. The era of Ukraine and the new world order.

 

[Beny Karachun]

10/14/22 nm? cute. owned by foreign Intel of course.

SMIC has 7 nm. Not claimed, but proven through Canadians reverse engineering a SMIC product.

Intel bought Tower Semiconductor and invested in Israel because Israelis have a lot of expertise and skill. Anyways disproven your 45nm claim. We also had many other companies, sold for billions of dollars. That's our business model, we call it "exits". We build a company, sell it for billions and start again.

Israel isn't top tier by volume, but by technology. Israel designs chips and creates military satellites for itself and for other countries including NATO countries.

Meanwhile Israelis claim claim claim but where's the proof of anything?

What do you mean where's the proof for anything? What do you need proof for?

For a 'top tier country in rocketry' I don't see many (or any) space launches. China launched the most.

Israel's most recent launch was in 2020. We have the Shavit launcher.

Do you really expect Israel to surpass you by volume? 9 million vs 1.4 billion or something in that area?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Intel bought Tower Semiconductor and invested in Israel because Israelis have a lot of expertise and skill. Anyways disproven your 45nm claim. We also had many other companies, sold for billions of dollars. That's our business model, we call it "exits". We build a company, sell it for billions and start again.

Israel isn't top tier by volume, but by technology. Israel designs chips and creates military satellites for itself and for other countries including NATO countries.



What do you mean where's the proof for anything? What do you need proof for?



Israel's most recent launch was in 2020. We have the Shavit launcher.

Do you really expect Israel to surpass you by volume? 9 million vs 1.4 billion or something in that area?

selling a company means its no longer yours. The Chinese business model is different, it may sound strange to you, but we don't sell a profitable business. we grow it, and that is why we have global colossus companies in every field such as Tencent, Baidu, Alibaba, YMTC, Huawei, BYD, Sany, Lenovo, Haier, TCL, BOE. Every market, TV, cars, appliances, phones, semiconductors, solar, oil, steel, aerospace, you name it, we have it. It is not enough for us to lead in a single or a few fields. We compete in everything.

volume is itself a form of technology because small batch sizes require totally different technology and understanding than high volume. additionally, you don't have full control of the supply chain from chemicals to tools to applications like Chinese do.

Going by your logic on Intel, then Samsung and SK Hynix count as Chinese companies, since Samsung has 42% of their memory fab capability in just a single Chinese city Xi'an and SK Hynix has 40% of their memory fab capability in a single Chinese city (Wuxi). Samsung and SK Hynix have huge R&D campuses in China.

Shavit launcher can launch 350-800 kg max into low earth orbit and has 80% success rate.

Shavit 2 - Wikipedia

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China's mainstream rocket, Long March 2F, launches 8.5 tons into low earth orbit with 100% success rate. China's cheap rocket, Long March 2D, launches 4 tons into orbit with 99% success rate.

Long March 2F - Wikipedia

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Long March 2D - Wikipedia

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this isn't meant to put you down, this is just letting you that there's a long way to go, and it's good to be humble.

 

[Beny Karachun]

selling a company means its no longer yours. The Chinese business model is different, it may sound strange to you, but we don't sell a profitable business. we grow it, and that is why we have global colossus companies in every field such as Tencent, Baidu, Alibaba, YMTC, Huawei, BYD, Sany, Lenovo, Haier, TCL, BOE. Every market, TV, cars, appliances, phones, semiconductors, solar, oil, steel, aerospace, you name it, we have it. It is not enough for us to lead in a single or a few fields. We compete in everything.

volume is itself a form of technology because small batch sizes require totally different technology and understanding than high volume. additionally, you don't have full control of the supply chain from chemicals to tools to applications like Chinese do.

Going by your logic on Intel, then Samsung and SK Hynix count as Chinese companies, since Samsung has 42% of their memory fab capability in just a single Chinese city Xi'an and SK Hynix has 40% of their memory fab capability in a single Chinese city (Wuxi). Samsung and SK Hynix have huge R&D campuses in China.

Shavit launcher can launch 350-800 kg max into low earth orbit and has 80% success rate.

Shavit 2 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

China's mainstream rocket, Long March 2F, launches 8.5 tons into low earth orbit with 100% success rate. China's cheap rocket, Long March 2D, launches 4 tons into orbit with 99% success rate.

Long March 2F - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Long March 2D - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

this isn't meant to put you down, this is just letting you that there's a long way to go, and it's good to be humble.

That's because we are profiting mostly from providing design, software and software as a service, whereas you profit the most from manufacturing.

For example Waze, the app is free. We could profit much more by selling it to google for 1.1 billion dollars (they value it for the data and the fact the could integrate it with their own software for example google maps) than we can profit by keeping it ours and giving the app away for free, and if we gave the app a price it wouldn't be nearly as popular.

Or MobilEye being bought by intel for 15 billion dollars, we would take years (if it's even possible) to make such money by selling road danger alert kits to unprotected cars, but Intel values it more, because they want to break into the self driving industry and they need the expertise.

So yeah, we could "keep it ours" and wait years until we make a significant profit, or we could sell it for billions in a single day, profit more than we would profit for 10 or more years, keep the high quality jobs in Israel and get working on the next startup the next day, and then sell it within the next few months.

Yeah, the fact Intel and Samsung have many plants in China makes China an advanced industry, who gives a **** about the owner? If you travel Israel 70 or 80 percent of the high tech company centers aren't Israeli. They are deploying in Israel to use its human resources which they see fit. If the people are capable of running it that means the people are also capable of replicating the plant eventually.

Well Shavit launcher only was launched 11 times and failed 2 times (So success rate is 82 percent) and both of the failures are of the Shavit-1, both of them occured over 18 years ago, Shavit-2 has 100 percent success rate. But it isn't really fair to talk about statistics because there weren't enough launches.


I don't know, I feel like countries like Israel and Singapore are far more successful relative to their size than the bigger countries are.

 

[fallstuff]

Why is the OP article dated Dec 12, 2022 ?

 

[Han Patriot]

Well apparently you're about to get millions of deaths now so what is it worth?

Yes we are gonna gas them like Nazis.

 

[BHAN85]

In current world, things can turn very fast. US printing money has reached the limit and their rate hikes makes more countries aware the danger of US dollar being the dominate. Once domino effect of a lot of countries refuse to trade in USD, US economic will collapse. Already Russia, Iran are shifting away from USD. Even Australia and ASEAN are willing to accept RMB or non USD for certain portion of trade. Dont say the never.

dont think in terms of fiat money.

think in terms of real economy, what it matters.

goods / services = raw materials + energy + labour force + industry machines

China is not interested in a USA collapse.

But if EU falls, nobody outside EU will give a fck, and world economic will be reorganized with enough raw materials and energy to more decades.

China can't manufacture all they need (specially all that wish Chinese elite). But USA can, and EU is not needed.