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Chabahar port becomes operational, Gwadar couldn’t attract traffic: expert

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  1. Anotherangle

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    Why is it not surprising? The remote Gwadar didn't have any infrastructure, nor it is linked to the rest of country, nor any agriculture for export, nor any industry to boost trade, nor population in need of commodities, nor lot of minerals to export, why in the world does a city or port in this place make sense to policy makers? I never understood. Maybe, a strategic port more for China than Pakistan, but Pakistani people are paying for it.
    Such huge projects are taken by the richest economies like Saudi Arabia, but even they are not completely successful- example is Jizan though there is population.
    Why am I not surprised by this news heading? Probably because Gwadar was always an economic nonsense.


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    CPEC is $50 billion project while Chahbahar $400 million. Cpec will be ready by 2030. Saudi investment of $10 billion refinery is for a reason in gwadar.

    Cpec is completing in phase wise. Like Phase one roads completition, phase two energy section and so on.
     
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    CPEC is a loan for economic development. More money doesn't mean success. they spent less and are more successful. It's about making right decisions.
    The news says Chaharbar has cut our trade to half. It has potential to attract trade from Central Asia. It is successful.
     
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    If we go by history, Gwader will be a bustling and prosperous port like Hambantota port.
     
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    It's not only the port , this project is directly linked with the development of Balochistan and all those things that are lacking which you've referred above ...
     
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    ok .
     
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    O bhai Chabahar port was Brain child of Reza Shah Pehalvi back in 1970s when work started on it. Then the Revolution Messed it up due to West Leaving Iran Alone. Then work Continued gradually along time during the 80s 80s and 2000s. India Only Start Investing in it in 2016 for its extension. And the Idea of Gwadar port was realized in 2007 with Just 3 Berths.CPEC and China Entered into scene in 2013, Just 5 years ago. The Comparison is not even Fair at the moment of time. Hold your Horses
     
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    Read carefully about Gwadar Port ambition & its relation with CPEC. One cannot discuss Gwadar port alone in isolated manner with Chabahar. Let the project progress. Only a single analyst made a headline during a forum and couldn't see every single hurdle in this regard. The only thing is, its still under construction not just the port but whole scenario of CONNECTIVITY which will result in success.
     
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    Development should be welcomed anywhere as it raises Living Standards of People and better Trade Opportunities to The whole region.
    There is no Gwadar Vs Chabahar Thing. Thats the area we should be competing in instead of Bullets and Blood. Let Chabahar and Gawadar be rising stars of the region after GCC
     
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    There is no point of comparing Gwadar with Chabahar port. An isolated take on this, is not plausible. Date of commencement of work in both areas & then progress, differentiates current standings. Gwadar has no competition in regard to Chabahar that its sole purpose is to strengthen Pakistan & establish a strong point of connectivity to the rest of the world which in land, connects through CPEC (the Main Project).

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    Afghanistan has shifted their trade through Chabahar as bilateral trade with Pakistan has come down from $5 billion to $2.5 billion & it touched the lowest ebb of $1.5 billion last year

    https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/44...tional-gwadar-couldn-t-attract-traffic-expert

    Chabahar port becomes operational, Gwadar couldn’t attract traffic: expert
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    ISLAMABAD: Defense and foreign affairs experts Thursday said the Pakistan-India crisis was not yet over so the US, China as well as other western countries will have to continue pushing them to de-escalation through the backdoor channels to avoid a full-scale war.

    They expressed these views during a seminar titled “Crisis or Peace: Pakistan, India and Afghanistan” organized by the Institute of Policy Reforms (IPR) here at the Islamabad Club. It was also consensus among them that Pakistan should clean and bring its house in order as non state actors (NSAs) were creating more difficulties for it at the diplomatic level.

    It was also pointed out that the recent escalation might result into hiking of defense budget by the two states, as New Delhi had already talking about it. The role of the media was also criticised, with the war mongering propaganda launched by the Indian media during the recent crisis.

    “We cannot accept the Indian offense as “new normal” as space of limited conflict so Pakistan responded. As the fall-out of recent crisis, the defense budget might increase by both states, as India has already started taking about it. The US and other western states will have to play more active role for bringing normalization in this region,” Lt Gen (R) Ishfaq Nadeem said.

    Gen Nadeem said reconciliation efforts for bringing peace in Afghanistan would not end by striking an agreement only among the stakeholders concerned but the real challenge would be ensuring implementation of the agreement to bring normalcy in Afghanistan.

    He said the US will have to come up with major concessions to bring peace in the region as the Taliban possessed 56 percent territory of Afghanistan. He said Washington will have to bring all inter agencies on one page, as 14,000 to 16,000 US troops and 10,000 contractors were stationed in Afghanistan at the moment. He said the Indian media was promoting war-mongering which was not good for the regional peace.

    Moeed Yousaf, author and renowned expert, said the Pak-India crisis was of no surprise in the aftermath of Pulwama attack and he did not think that the crisis was over. He said the message from US and other important capitals was not only de-escalation, but Pakistan was also being pressed to move ahead with taking a clear-cut action for devising short to long-term roadmap of next 5, 10 to 25 years against the proscribed outfits.

    He presented a scenario and stated that what would happen if ISIS or Al-Qaeda used youths for launching an attack inside India so the situation was very risky. He said there was no room for militarization and NSAs were bound to increase difficulties for Pakistan at the international levels.

    He proposed that Pakistan and India must share intelligence in order to avoid any other attack in each other’s territory. He said the US, China, Russia and other western countries should play a proactive role to manage and overcome this lingering crisis.

    Lt Gen (R) Asif Yasin Malik said there was no peace in Afghanistan in last 100 years except during the tenure of Zahir Shah. He said the Taliban were very savvy who had brought the US to the negotiating table.

    Renowned analyst Ahmed Rasheed said connectivity could provide a solution for regional peace. He said the Iranian port of Chabahar had become operational, while Gwadar could not attract much traffic so far.

    He said Afghans were shifting their trade through Chabahar as bilateral trade had come down from $5 billion to $2.5 billion and it touched the lowest ebb of $1.5 billion last year. “We have lost a captive market,” he added.

    Renowned journalist Rahimullah Yousafzai said peace talks for Afghanistan would continue despite some deadlocks, as both sides started understanding each other point of view. He said the foremost demand of Taliban was withdrawal of US from Afghanistan. Now efforts are underway to convince Taliban for stopping them to launch the spring offense next month in April in a confidence-building measures to make the peace process successful.

    Former minister for commerce and Chairman IPR Humayun Akhtar Khan said Pakistan will have to come up with out-of-box solutions to ensure peace and juice up economy. He said whenever economy grew at a faster pace, it plunged into balance of payment crisis and it was happening again and again indicating that there were deep-rooted structural problems facing Pakistan’s economy.
     
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    Iran and Afghanistan needs Pakistan, Pakistan doesn't need either of them. This fact wont change until the sun rises from the west. The "anything Pakistan" obsession of Indians wont change either.
     
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    this is better , we have invested a lot of money .

    why iran needs pakistan ?
    why pakistan doesn't need iran.
     
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    • Iran is not a trade route for any country but Afghanistan and that is for indian only.there will be max 1-2 ships a week at iran port (other than oil exports ) and that will be only indian. As india has merely no material to export to iran / Afghanistan. but their news will start blowing whistles for every ship arriving in chabar port which is nothing but propaganda.

    • iran is also sanctioned and no country will send ship there as well.

    • once iran sanctions are over , you think china will not intervene its intrust in iran ? and will it let easily defy themselves by indians ?

    • Pakistan port will be mainly used by china as secondary export / import route. which is real exporter / importer to the world. any country can build a port , the only question becomes who will use it as trade route.
     
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