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Caste System of Europe

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  1. Kashmiri Pandit

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    The estates of the realm, or three estates, were the broad orders of social hierarchy used in Christendom(Christian Europe) from the medieval period to early modern Europe. Different systems for dividing society members into estates developed and evolved over time.

    The best known system is the French Ancien Régime(Old Regime), a three-estate system used until the French Revolution (1789–1799). Monarchy was for the king and the queen and this system was made up of clergy (the First Estate), nobles (the Second Estate), and peasants and bourgeoisie (the Third Estate). In some regions, notably Scandinavia and Russia, burghers (the urban merchant class) and rural commoners were split into separate estates, creating a four-estate system with rural commoners ranking the lowest as the Fourth Estate. Furthermore, the non-landowning poor could be left outside the estates, leaving them without political rights. In England, a two-estate system evolved that combined nobility and bishops into one lordly estate with "commons" as the second estate. This system produced the two houses of parliament, the House of Commons and the House of Lords. In southern Germany, a three-estate system of nobility (princes and high clergy), ritters (knights), and burghers was used.

    Social immobility

    During the Middle Ages, advancing to different social classes was uncommon and very difficult.

    The medieval Church was an institution where social mobility was most likely up to a certain level (generally to that of vicar general or abbot/abbess for commoners). Typically, only nobility were appointed to the highest church positions (bishops, archbishops, heads of religious orders, etc.), although low nobility could aspire to the highest church positions. Since clergy could not marry, such mobility was theoretically limited to one generation. Nepotism was common in this period.

    Another possible way to rise in social position was due to exceptional military or commercial success. Such families were rare and their rise to nobility required royal patronage at some point. However, because noble lines went extinct naturally, some ennoblements were necessary.

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    What?
     
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    Jati was a social construct .

    With things turning heridetry in medieval age , social groups became rigid and movement within groups became impossible .

    As per Fa Hein during the Chandragupta 2's rain vegetarians lived within the city while chandals who ate meat lived outside the city walls .

    Preference of food may have played some part in social exclusion and boycott of certain groups .

    But as per Megasthenes , under Mauryans , indian society was divided in 7 classes and not castes .
     
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    Well if Indians can give up Kashmir we can normalize ties to 1946 level
    Certainly Indians must see the colonial push happening world wide

    Russia/China/Pakistan/Turkey/Iran/India economic block now that is what I am talking about

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    I recently found out the enemity of Pakistanis towards indian is caused by the bloody partition of Punjab that displaced millions and mascared thousands of people .

    Go blame your politicians for that . They were hell bent on partition and did nothing for the smooth migration of people on both side .
     
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    Continue lamenting Europe

    And enjoy the caste system

    • Spain has had a complex cast system they deployed in Spanish Empire
    • France talks about secularism but it is taking African natural resources
    • UK well they are chill now but they had their issues before ww1 and ww2
    Europe have a quazi Indian race , Roman People with 0% rights drift around country to country

    • Native Indians in USA are now approaching extinction
    • Native Indians in Australias are none existant
    • Native Tribes in Japan are never heard of ......

    You know ... future of the Indians look bleak specially if they have the word "Native" in it
     
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    Hundreds of people have been born and dead , who fought against caste system .

    Be it Bhakti saints of north , Alvars and Nayanars of south , Sikhs of Punjab , lingyats of Karnataka or be the modern thinkers of Bengal , everyone played significant role to eradicate it .

    Today caste is alive due to politicians . If we are not divided into vote banks , how are parties supposed to win . A reason why our growth trajectory is slower than its potential .


    Not Roman but Roma or Romani aka gypsy or travellers .

    Are you a semitic or Indo-European :p: