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Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

Should Pakistan upgrade its Mirages to South African Cheetah standard if not Beyond?

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flameboard

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As PAF/PAC have much experience of in and out of airframe of mirages, they can easy recreates delta airframe based on mirages expertise offcouse having engine help avionics commonality with thandars or some additional stuff

They will become good source for future bumb trucks with commonality of thandars as cost effective solution and valuable replacement of mirages and even can be used in naval role
Did some research. Pakistan has already made some licence built Mirage jets. ROSE is a financially wiser decision that making more. Now with the JF-17 in place, I doubt the'res much interest in rebuilding an outdated frame.

It would likely be an upgraded version or a completely different bird if PAF inducts new deltas
 
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As PAF/PAC have much experience of in and out of airframe of mirages, they can easy recreates delta airframe based on mirages expertise offcouse having engine help avionics commonality with thandars or some additional stuff

They will become good source for future bumb trucks with commonality of thandars as cost effective solution and valuable replacement of mirages and even can be used in naval role
Good point , I simply don't understand why Pakistan made new mirage airframe
Did some research. Pakistan has already made some licence built Mirage jets. ROSE is a financially wiser decision that making more. Now with the JF-17 in place, I doubt the'res much interest in rebuilding an outdated frame.

It would likely be an upgraded version or a completely different bird if PAF inducts new deltas
When did Pakistan made mirage jets ?
 

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These PAF Mirages, thanks to 02/27, are like the Messenger of Death to India for the following projections:
  • The Indian strategic assets can indeed be taken out in the first round (long range stealthy CMs are there for a reason) once the Pak human intelligence is counted in
  • If the Beni Israil have failed to bail the Indians out no Kavum under the sun can do it
  • If PAF can make so much out of the 50+ years old mirages what it can extract out of the modern platforms!
  • The Indians must be in a panic mode
 
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Did some research. Pakistan has already made some licence built Mirage jets. ROSE is a financially wiser decision that making more. Now with the JF-17 in place, I doubt the'res much interest in rebuilding an outdated frame.

It would likely be an upgraded version or a completely different bird if PAF inducts new deltas
Agree Mirage air frame is 5 decade old, but still effective and super cruises, we dont simply need to clone them we can modify as of todays need, PAC know pros and cons then air frame to max, remaining we can use commonality of our thandars , same avionics weaponry even some sort new Chinese engine or sibling of RD 33/93
 

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Agree Mirage air frame is 5 decade old, but still effective and super cruises, we dont simply need to clone them we can modify as of todays need, PAC know pros and cons then air frame to max, remaining we can use commonality of our thandars , same avionics weaponry even some sort new Chinese engine or sibling of RD 33/93
Yeah super cruise or birds that can easily reach Mach 2+ such as the mirage are important, but the airframe needs major upgrades too like currently Pakistani Mirages fly with hydraulic systems rather than fly-by-wire

Pakistan would want to build something like the Mirage 2000 which means building an entirely new support environment. We’ve seen India get carried away with this idea and result in the Tejas disaster.

I do agree that making an airframe as close as possible to the current Mirage 3 or 5 standard is an interesting idea and if the current airframes still offer something then a jugar airframe may be worth looking into.

It’s probably a better investment to ask allies for dirt cheap prices for Mirage 2000s and spend the money or supporting infrastructure.

Project Azn seems to be exploring Delta wing design options so they might be interested in killing two birds with one stone
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Agree Mirage air frame is 5 decade old, but still effective and super cruises, we dont simply need to clone them we can modify as of todays need, PAC know pros and cons then air frame to max, remaining we can use commonality of our thandars , same avionics weaponry even some sort new Chinese engine or sibling of RD 33/93
Yes the M-III/V are effective but this Gas Guzzler can hardly Super Cruise. Currently there is nothing in the Inventory of PAF that can "Super Cruise."
 

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Yes the M-III/V are effective but this Gas Guzzler can hardly Super Cruise. Currently there is nothing in the Inventory of PAF that can "Super Cruise."
That the problem, thandars have limited role and capacity cant replace role of mirages completely
 

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There was no licence built Mirages; just overhaul.
Denel, the point being missed here over and over again is that PAF never wanted to continue with the mirages, but has been forced by the circumstances to minimally upgrade them. Like you have said on many occasions that, Had they been interested in the 90s, paf could have started manufacturing cheetahs in collaboration with south africa. That train left the station decades ago. PAF always wanted to build their force around f16s, rightly so, but it was a pipe dream at best, and never to be fully realized....and that made paf oblivious of other fighter priorities. We could have had two types of locally made jets by now.
 

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