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Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

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  1. Xracer

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    dont forget 50 Thunders on emergency bases and then it comes to Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra i think it will produce 65 to 75 Thunders by 2014 and also dont forget Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Nawabshah is under construction and when Nawabshah Aeronautical Complex is Completed i think you know the rest of tha story dont you:D
     
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    few weeks back we had the news that kamara has completed 36 aircrafts out of 42, meaning number for jf-17 is 44..i.e by october end we will have all 50 inducted

    2012,13,14 will each see approximately 30 -35 more aircrafts added..so we will have 150 by end of 2014..even if we add merely 25 per year at current speed we will have 150 by 2015, howver rate has been increased

    other addition will be 36-56 j-10(depends)
    and probably 14 to 32 f-16s(depends upon whether PAF goes for 18 more or not)

    i think indian members should understand that money is not a problem..its only that politicians put defense behind the other things
    besides total procurement plan will not cost more than 4 billion dollars i next four years.even our current defence budget if freezed can pay for it..
    its not like we are throwing away money as India does in its defence deals
     
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    What type of payload/pod is this Mirage carrying on the center-line fuselage pylon?...Is it a recce pod?

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    It's called LORAP (Long Range Aerial Reconnaissance pod).

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    A compendium of mirage fighter in PAF

    Pakistan Air Forces association with Mirages started after 1965 war when PAF air chief Nur Khan decided to induct a non-US delta winged fighter aircraft. Even after 44 years, PAF’ s adventure with Mirages is still on going. Following research article is written to shed some light about the contracts, types and current status of Mirages in PAF. The factors related to such long service will later be discussed in some other article.

    Major Contracts:
    • Blue Flash-I 1967/1968 :24 aircraft comprising 18 Mirage-IIIEP , 3 Mirage-IIIRP, 3 Mirage-IIIDP
    • Blue Flash-II 1970 : 30 aircraft comprising 28 Mirage-VPA , 2 Mirage-IIIDP
    • Blue Flash-III 1977 : 10 Mirage-IIIRP
    • Blue Flash-IV 1978 : 32 aircraft comprising 30 Mirage-V PA2/3, 2 Mirage-VDPA2
    • Blue Flash-V 1990 : 50 aircraft comprising 42 Mirage-IIIEA, 8 Mirage-IIIDA
    • Blue Flash-VI 1996 : 39 aircraft comprising 33 Mirage-VEF, 6 Mirage-IIIDF

    More contracts:
    • In 2001/02, PAF acquired 10 Mirage-IIIs(9 Mirage-IIIEE and 1 Mirage-IIIDL) from Lebanon, which were stored since 1980s. All these aircraft have flown 300-600hrs and were the best option of PAF.

    • In 2003, PAF purchased 12 Mirage-IIIEE and 1 Mirage-IIIDE from Spain. All of them were bought as spares for the operational Mirage fleet. None of them was made operational

    • In 2004 PAF purchased good number of Mirages from Libya, which were stored for past 15 years. These aircraft have 400-600 hrs on the airframe, and were in pretty good condition.

    PAF’ s shopping list included 4 Mirage-VDR ,6 Mirage-VDD, ,12 Mirage-VD and 25 Mirage-VDE. Only 14 of them were put into service after being overhauled at MRF, PAC Kamra. More Ex-Libyan Mirages were also sold to PAF in late 2007, all these were used as spare cannibalization.

    Mirage Serial numbers:
    The first two left digits in Serial number denote the fiscal year ordered in which aircraft was ordered.
    i.e 96-785 means aircraft serial 785 ordered in year 1995
    100 series – Mirage IIIEP (18 aircraft ordered 1967/1968 )
    200 series – Mirage IIIRP (Ordered in 2 batches, 3 in 1968 and 10 in 1977)
    300 series – Mirage IIID and Mirage VD (3 ordered in 1968, 3 in 1970 , 2 in 1979)
    400 series – Mirage V (28 Mirage VPA in 1970, 30 Mirage VPA2/3 in 1979)
    500 series – Ex-RAAF Mirage IIIO designated as Mirage-IIIEA (1990)
    600 series – Ex-French AF Mirage-IIIDA (1968)
    700 series – Ex-French AF Mirage VEF (ordered in 1996)
    800 series – Ex-RAAF Mirage IIIDF
    900 series – Ex-Lebanese 9 Mirage-IIIEL, 1 Mirage-IIIDL (2001/02)
    000 series – Ex-Libyan 14 Mirage-VDD

    Current operational units:
    No.7 Sqn ‘Bandits’ – Masroor AB, Karachi
    No.8 Sqn ‘Haiders’ – Masroor AB, Karachi
    No.15 Sqn ‘Cobras’ – Rafiqui AB, Shorkot
    No.22 Sqn ‘Ghazis’ – Masroor AB, Karachi
    No.25 Sqn ‘Eagles’ –Shahbaz AB, Jacobabad
    No.27 Sqn ‘Zarrars’ – Rafiqui AB, Shorkot
    CCS Mirage – Mushaf AB, Sargodha

    Reserve units:
    No.5 Sqn ‘Falcons’ – Rafiqui AB, Shorkot
    In June, 2010 No.5 Sqn’s Mirages were withdrawn from service after induction of F-16 Block-52 aircraft. Fewer Mirages which still have less hours on the airframe were allotted to other squadrons whereas most of them were kept in stores as reserves. No.5 Squadron’s Tactical Attack and Reconnaissance related equipment was also distributed among other operational squadrons.

    Mirages – operational status:
    In the course of this research I have made a list of operational status of Mirage-III/V aircraft in PAF inventory. The list might not be 100% accurate, but it’s definitely gives a very close look of Mirages.

    Question mark ‘?’ denotes an assumption that these aircraft might be a part of squadron inventory.
    No.5 Sqn ( retired)
    Following list is based upon the last known strength of No.5 Sqn before retirement.
    Mirage-IIIRP 67-(202 203 204)? 206 210 211
    Mirage-IIIDA 67-608 611 612
    Mirage-IIIEA 90-511 581 587 596
    Mirage-VDR 903
    Mirage-IIIEP 104 105 106 107 108 114 115 116
    Earlier retired Mirage-IIIEP aircraft
    • 67-101 (placed at MRF, Kamra – pattern aircraft for GV-III)
    • 67-112 placed outside Rafiqui AB.
    • 67-112 113 117 118 are removed from service before getting 2nd overhaul
    • 67-119 gifted to China, placed in museum

    No.7 Sqn
    No.7 Sqn operates 16-18 Mirages in Tactical Attack role. All Mirages are upgraded to ROSE-I standard at PAC Kamra and are used for deep penetration and interdiction missions also.
    Mirage-IIIDP 73-301( PAC) 302
    Ex-Libyan Mirage-VDD 00-005
    Ex-RAAF Mirage-IIIO(F) – designated as Mirage-IIIEA after ROSE upgrade in 1996
    90- 510 512(CCS) 513 515 519 525 531 533 535 538 560 565 584 583(probe – PAC) 586 588
    • Mirage-IIIEA 90-512 loaned by CCS Mirage Sqn
    • Mirage-IIIEA 90-583 used by MRF for flight trails of air-air refueling
    • Mirage-IIIDP 73-301 used by MRF for flight trails of air-air refueling

    No.8 Sqn
    No.8 Sqn operates Mirage-VPA2 and Mirage-VPA3 aircraft for both ground and maritime attack role. The unit’s Mirage-VPA3 aircraft are equipped with AM-39 anti shipping missile (range 35 miles/55kms) and are used for naval support, where as Mirage-VPA2 are used for tactical attack role.
    Mirage-V PA2/PA3 79-433 434 437 440 441 442? 443 445 447 449 450 451 454 455 456 457
    Mirage-VDPA2 73-307
    Mirage-VDP 70-305? 308 ?

    No.15 Sqn
    No.15 Sqn mainly operates Mirage-VPA for tactical attack role. It also operates some some Ex-Libyan Mirage-VDD examples for fighter conversion, exact details of which aren’t available.
    Mirage-VPA 70-401 404 406 408 411 412 432
    Mirage-IIIDA 67- 601 604 672
    Mirage-VDD 04-010

    No.22 Sqn
    No.22 Sqn being an Operational Conversion Unit(OCU) is tasked with new pilots training and conversion on Mirage aircraft.
    Ex-Lebanese Mirage-IIIEL/DL 90-904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911
    Mirage-IIIDF 96-861 867 874 875 876

    No.25 Sqn
    No.25 Sqn is tasked with tactical and night attack role. Following list only contains the available details of Mirages in No.25 Sqn. It may be possible the some of the following Mirage-VEF aircraft are currently serving in No.27 Sqn.
    Mirage-IIIDP 73-303
    Mirage-VDD 00-002
    Mirage-VEF 96-702(loaned by CCS) 707 711 717 718 719 725 736 740 741 743 755 758

    No.27 Sqn
    In April 2007, second ROSE-III Mirages squadron No.27 Sqn stood up at Rafiqui. Some No.25 Sqn Mirage-VEF aircraft were also allotted to this squadron. Following list is incomplete as this squadron operates at least 10 Mirage-VEF aircraft. No.27 Sqn is tasked with tactical and night attack role.
    Mirage-VEF 96-728 745 746 747 752 757
    Mirage-VDD 04-001 004

    CCS Mirage Sqn:
    CCS Mirage operates 12-14 aircraft, few aircraft are loaned from other operational squadrons also.
    In CCS Mirage Sqn, advance lessons on combat readiness and air-combat is given to pilots. Following list is in-complete as this unit operates 12-14 examples of Mirage-IIIEA aircraft, which joined unit in 1996.
    Mirage-IIIEA 90-522 527 552 553 554 599

    Un-categorized aircraft:
    Ex Libyan Mirage-VDD 04-003 005 006 007 008 009 (Serving in 7,15,25,27 Squadrons)
    Ex-French AF Mirage-VEF Serving in No.25 and No.27 Squadrons
    96- 722 732 734 738 746 743 739 748 749 754 750

    Ex-French AF Mirage-VPA, some of the following are still serving in No.15 Sqn where as other have been withdrawn from service and used as spares for other similar examples. Following aircraft are also not part of above posted squadron inventory.
    70-402 408 407 409 415 418 417 420 422 429 430 422 427 432 435
    • 70-405 (crashed)
    • 70-424 Placed at PAF museum

    Following ex-RAAF Mirages were inducted in Nov 1990, after being overhauled in 1996 they were brought to service again. Some of the following are serving in CCS Mirage Sqn, where as others are used as spares cannibalization.
    Mirage-IIIO(F) – RAAF designation A3-2 ( PAF designation 90-502)
    Mirage-IIIEA 90-502 505 506 509 511 517 521 523 524 525 534 539 544 556 562 568 571 573 584 586 593
    Mirage-IIIDA 67-603 613
     
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    With 60% of national budget being allocated to military (apart from dual use bugdet) do you really think so??????
     
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    Dear,

    Please get your facts straight before you comment e.g.

    Pakistan's 2011~12 Federal Bugdet amounts to be around Rs 3259 billion.
    Pakistan's 2011~12 Military Budget amounts to be around Rs 495 billion.

    I leave the percentage calculations to you, but incase your calculator is a bit buggy, the percentage comes out to be 15.1%.

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    15% of total budget only for defence is way too much !!
     
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    Hasnain.

    INDIA thowing away money in defense deals. YOUR KIDDING RIGHT

    270 SU30MKI for $13 billon (i bet u wish paf could get that money)

    1650 T90 for $3m each

    both deals to include license build in india

    MMRCA to include 30% offset BACK INTO INDIA like $4 billion dollars go back into indian firms

    i think the indians are shopping very smart
     
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    storm force again in action on mission to make every thread abut india :rofl:
     
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    Again ... Some "Comment for the sake of Comment" before you got to analyse data or do some research.

    For example ...

    India's 2011~12 Federal Budget amounts to be around INR 1,020,838 crore.
    India's 2011~12 Military Budget amounts to be around INR 164,415 crore.

    A simple calculation shows this to be around 16.1%.
    Please Comment away ...

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    why you always bring india in every thread, perhaps you have some psychological problem isn't it !
     
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    Yes they have all the problems with us
     
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    Count the durandals:D
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    6 on each wing!?