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''Wdf is terrain masking capabilities? We are talking about flankers who are gigantic on radars. Less bravado here please.''

Ever heard of low level approach,to evade radar?Noob.What was being said was that PLAAF is unable to enter territory with radar evading low level approach as TAR is a very high plateau region and they are detected on take off mostly.Low level approach is not possible.In indian side the terrain is masked by mountanous topography,giving excellent radar evasion oppurtunites,its also much lower in height than TAR side,so its perfectly possible.Go and see the geography of the region closely.

''Ehh, it was mostly won by the ground force.''
The IAF conducted numerous sorties destroying supply dumps and bunkers with guided and unguided munitions,in mounatnous region its completely diferent skill set and IAF struggeled during the start of kargil.Calling me ignorant while you didn't even have any idea that IAF mirage -200hs played crucial role in kargil.

''IAF has an edge , but it is nowhere as large as you claimed to be. You are still limited to a platform-centric thinking. Nothing indicated IAF has superior C4Rs compared to China.''

You admitted it urself in case of platform centric recon.Again nothing indicates IAF has lesser C4R capability either.IAF has conducted numerous recent exercises on network centric ability in last 10 yrs and the new israeli green pine and similar rajendra/indra 2 radars are state of the art.The green pine is used on the israeli arrow 2.And these will be networked with our PHALCON awacs and bars radar equipped sukhois.As well as our sam network.

''It is funny that you care comparing non inducted aircrafts like LCAs and Rafales and their future systems to current chinese jets. That is like someone compare J-20 to Su-30 MKIs.''

Read carefully.The su-30 mkis all carry OXYBOG systems,thats around 200 planes.Plus many upgarded mig-29upg and darin jaguars have begun to arrive.On the china side ZERO aircraft with this capability.Obviously PLAAF with limited understanding and experience of mountanous operations has led to this serious disadvantage for PLAAF aircraft in air combat and deep strike.

''Using GCIs to support a strike into chinese airspace? Muhahhahahah. That says alot about your lack of understanding of modern air battle.''
Again noob rant,read carefully.Its talking about intercepting and destroying incoming chinese aircarft.The scenario is you are the aggressor since we are status quo power.GCI is perfectly viable for intercept missions.

''They are short range SAMS''

Keep in mind that your aircraft will have to fly at low altitudes mostly around 14000 feet,due to lack of proper equipment[OBOG]
This is WELL within the range of the spyder-SR with a range of 15-20 kms.[15 kms is 50000 feet]Thats way way more than is required to shoot down bandits.
Akash is a Medium range SAM with range of over 30 kms.Again all chinese aircarft forced to fly low anyway are well within the range of our SAM network,You think IAF is stupid to induct useless modern SAMs after years of long acquisition process?These are perfectly capable systems.And in handicapped PLAAF'S case much more so.

As for AWACS exactly ur kj-2000 the only capable awacs in ur inventory suffers from endurance issues in TAR altitude,Turboprop awacs need uprated engine that won't be available till 2016 at least.And also are terribly vulnerable in offensive operations.You are not in a good way in terms of AWACS support from TAR for an invasion.

What ignorance speaking.The bulk of ur infrastructure and airbases are in tibet,without which ur invasion is logistically toothless.
Terrain isn't suited for air battle for YOU.Not for us,iaf has prepared well in this regard with specialized equipment for high altitude aircraft.
Leaving aside OBOGs and surveillence ability,Just see our new LCH .Built with specific ability to operate with full weapons load at 20000 feet,that means it can provide air support to ground formations at high altitude areas.Ur wz-10 can only operate at service ceiling of 6200 feet.LCH is product of kargil experience.
Our new purchase the boeing chinook is optimised for high altitude,rough landing operations.Again done with keeping NE border in mind.
The new C-17 globemaster has unrivalled cargo load plus very useful ability to land without airstrips.Perfect for North east.Your new IL-76s have no such capability and far less cargoload.
Iaf's preparation and experience,doctrine for high altitude operations has been far superior.
So keep saying 'terrain isn't suitable for air combat'.If your aircraft wanna stay at their home bases,fine .Not our problem.
The IAF will pound ur hapless advancing land invasion force and its supply lines to smithereens instead.You know what happens to a modern army without air cover........
Who was the ignorant noob here?
 

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''Wdf is terrain masking capabilities? We are talking about flankers who are gigantic on radars. Less bravado here please.''

Ever heard of low level approach,to evade radar?Noob.What was being said was that PLAAF is unable to enter territory with radar evading low level approach as TAR is a very high plateau region and they are detected on take off mostly.Low level approach is not possible.In indian side the terrain is masked by mountanous topography,giving excellent radar evasion oppurtunites,its also much lower in height than TAR side,so its perfectly possible.Go and see the geography of the region closely.

''Ehh, it was mostly won by the ground force.''
The IAF conducted numerous sorties destroying supply dumps and bunkers with guided and unguided munitions,in mounatnous region its completely diferent skill set and IAF struggeled during the start of kargil.Calling me ignorant while you didn't even have any idea that IAF mirage -200hs played crucial role in kargil.

''IAF has an edge , but it is nowhere as large as you claimed to be. You are still limited to a platform-centric thinking. Nothing indicated IAF has superior C4Rs compared to China.''

You admitted it urself in case of platform centric recon.Again nothing indicates IAF has lesser C4R capability either.IAF has conducted numerous recent exercises on network centric ability in last 10 yrs and the new israeli green pine and similar rajendra/indra 2 radars are state of the art.The green pine is used on the israeli arrow 2.And these will be networked with our PHALCON awacs and bars radar equipped sukhois.As well as our sam network.

''It is funny that you care comparing non inducted aircrafts like LCAs and Rafales and their future systems to current chinese jets. That is like someone compare J-20 to Su-30 MKIs.''

Read carefully.The su-30 mkis all carry OXYBOG systems,thats around 200 planes.Plus many upgarded mig-29upg and darin jaguars have begun to arrive.On the china side ZERO aircraft with this capability.Obviously PLAAF with limited understanding and experience of mountanous operations has led to this serious disadvantage for PLAAF aircraft in air combat and deep strike.

''Using GCIs to support a strike into chinese airspace? Muhahhahahah. That says alot about your lack of understanding of modern air battle.''
Again noob rant,read carefully.Its talking about intercepting and destroying incoming chinese aircarft.The scenario is you are the aggressor since we are status quo power.GCI is perfectly viable for intercept missions.

''They are short range SAMS''

Keep in mind that your aircraft will have to fly at low altitudes mostly around 14000 feet,due to lack of proper equipment[OBOG]
This is WELL within the range of the spyder-SR with a range of 15-20 kms.[15 kms is 50000 feet]Thats way way more than is required to shoot down bandits.
Akash is a Medium range SAM with range of over 30 kms.Again all chinese aircarft forced to fly low anyway are well within the range of our SAM network,You think IAF is stupid to induct useless modern SAMs after years of long acquisition process?These are perfectly capable systems.And in handicapped PLAAF'S case much more so.

As for AWACS exactly ur kj-2000 the only capable awacs in ur inventory suffers from endurance issues in TAR altitude,Turboprop awacs need uprated engine that won't be available till 2016 at least.And also are terribly vulnerable in offensive operations.You are not in a good way in terms of AWACS support from TAR for an invasion.

What ignorance speaking.The bulk of ur infrastructure and airbases are in tibet,without which ur invasion is logistically toothless.
Terrain isn't suited for air battle for YOU.Not for us,iaf has prepared well in this regard with specialized equipment for high altitude aircraft.
Leaving aside OBOGs and surveillence ability,Just see our new LCH .Built with specific ability to operate with full weapons load at 20000 feet,that means it can provide air support to ground formations at high altitude areas.Ur wz-10 can only operate at service ceiling of 6200 feet.LCH is product of kargil experience.
Our new purchase the boeing chinook is optimised for high altitude,rough landing operations.Again done with keeping NE border in mind.
The new C-17 globemaster has unrivalled cargo load plus very useful ability to land without airstrips.Perfect for North east.Your new IL-76s have no such capability and far less cargoload.
Iaf's preparation and experience,doctrine for high altitude operations has been far superior.
So keep saying 'terrain isn't suitable for air combat'.If your aircraft wanna stay at their home bases,fine .Not our problem.
The IAF will pound ur hapless advancing land invasion force and its supply lines to smithereens instead.You know what happens to a modern army without air cover........
Who was the ignorant noob here?
So much on your BS. Your idea is based on your delusion, PLAAF will not have the thing you mention. Previously you claimed so much of State of Art training of IAF which until now proves with nothing concrete mention.

While PLAAF training has already gone digital with advance training pod which could simulate record all the flight data and immediately live feed back to monitoring HQ for immediate assessment. As for IAF, they do not have such capabilities yet. Air Training is still a generation behind PLAAF.

As for PLAAF, if you don't know what's happening. Do not act you know alot. If you need education about advancement of PLAAF. I can guide you.... Since most of them is in Chinese.

This video demonstrate the whole network of Chinese defense with SAM , AWACS and fighter jet. But I am not interested to tell you what. I will let the Chinese speaking audience have an idea of PLAAF network thru this video.

Regarding precision strike. PLAAF has plenty of option.

JH-7A with KD-88


PLA Guided Bombs

J-10 drop Laser guided bomb


As for PLA C4ISR, please go update yourself and just becos you don't know does not mean it doesn't exist.

http://www.jamestown.org/programs/c...=36052&tx_ttnews[backPid]=25&cHash=44f7c29ff2


By the way, this is a 2010 report and the last 3 years of PLA C4ISR even advances more with more Satellite launches to support further expanding of PLA C4ISR capabilities with continue of the Yaogan series dual use satellite.

But this 2010 report is not conclude of current situation(2013) but more or less gives a idea of direction PLAAF are heading.

SOme of the more current update of part of China C4ISR capabilities increases...
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-01/09/c_132091412.htm

The launch of Ziyuan III has enhanced the country's capability to capture space remote-sensing images, bolstered state security and boosted the geo-information industry.
 
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4) Most critically, none of the PLAAF’s combat aircraft have on-board oxygen generation systems (OBOGS), the consequence of this being the Su-27SKs, Su-30MKKs and J-10s will either be forced to fly at medium altitudes not exceeding 14,000 feet, or fly for very limited durations at higher altitudes due to the very limited number of compressed liquid oxygen bottles that each such aircraft can carry. The IAF’s Su-30MKIs, MiG-29UPGs, Mirage 2000UPGs, Tejas Mk1s, Jaguar IS/DARIN-3s and Rafales, on the other hand, will suffer from no such restrictions since all of them have to will have integral OBOGS installations produced by Larsen & Toubro. Consequently, during dissimilar air combat engagements—both within visual range and beyond visual range—the Su-30MKIs, even without airborne battle management cues being provided by A-50I PHALCON platforms, will, with the help of ground-controlled intercept (GCI) cues, be easily be able to outperform and outmanoeuvre any of the PLAAF’s existing combat aircraft assets.

Also 14000 feet is well within the reach of both SPYDER and AKASH sams.So ther will be hell from the ground as well for any bandits.
Chinese members please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that all PLAAF fighters from J-10 & J-11B onwards have OBOGS.
 

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Just see our new LCH .Built with specific ability to operate with full weapons load at 20000 feet,that means it can provide air support to ground formations at high altitude areas.Ur wz-10 can only operate at service ceiling of 6200 feet.LCH is product of kargil experience.
meters, not feet.
6,200 m = ~20,000 ft.
 

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And ur 'foreseeing' of PLAAF air superiority over indian territory is just a delusional fart.How are u going to do it anyway boy?With 16 squadrons and no equal aircraft of the mki?
And even those 16 squadrons will have to operate at 1/3 bomb/payload.........a MASSIVE disadvantage.
PLAAF has a number of current gen (4.5++) fighter programs that can match or exceed MKI, such as J-10B, J-11B, J-15 & J-16.
 

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''Wdf is terrain masking capabilities? We are talking about flankers who are gigantic on radars. Less bravado here please.''

Ever heard of low level approach,to evade radar?
Yah, never heard about terrain masking capabilities though. Fly low to evade radars has been done for ages. You been in a coma for the past 50 years?
Noob.What was being said was that PLAAF is unable to enter territory with radar evading low level approach as TAR is a very high plateau region and they are detected on take off mostly.
Ehh, even a noob like you must know that you dont have the radar coverage to detect when they take of from their OWN airbases.
Low level approach is not possible.In indian side the terrain is masked by mountanous topography,giving excellent radar evasion oppurtunites,its also much lower in height than TAR side,so its perfectly possible.Go and see the geography of the region closely.
Dosnt matter the mountanous topography, you still gonna need to enter chinese airspace, right? So who gives a f. how it look like on the indian side?
''Ehh, it was mostly won by the ground force.''
The IAF conducted numerous sorties destroying supply dumps and bunkers with guided and unguided munitions,in mounatnous region its completely diferent skill set and IAF struggeled during the start of kargil.Calling me ignorant while you didn't even have any idea that IAF mirage -200hs played crucial role in kargil.
yes you are ignorant.
''IAF has an edge , but it is nowhere as large as you claimed to be. You are still limited to a platform-centric thinking. Nothing indicated IAF has superior C4Rs compared to China.''

You admitted it urself in case of platform centric recon.Again nothing indicates IAF has lesser C4R capability either.IAF has conducted numerous recent exercises on network centric ability in last 10 yrs and the new israeli green pine and similar rajendra/indra 2 radars are state of the art.The green pine is used on the israeli arrow 2.And these will be networked with our PHALCON awacs and bars radar equipped sukhois.As well as our sam network.
Nothing indicated you have superior C4r either. And what network centric ability in the last 10 years? 10 years ago, you didnt even have AEW&C. What about the number of military sats? You are way behind the chinese.
''It is funny that you care comparing non inducted aircrafts like LCAs and Rafales and their future systems to current chinese jets. That is like someone compare J-20 to Su-30 MKIs.''

Read carefully.The su-30 mkis all carry OXYBOG systems,thats around 200 planes.
1. It is called OBOGS. Myabe it is called OXYBOG in the planet you coming from. Try to use the right term, ok? OBOGS is about mission duration. It is not a super duper ability. try not to confuse requirements with abilities. And I have yet to see a source other than your fantasy that all MKIS got OBOGS.
Plus many upgarded mig-29upg and darin jaguars have begun to arrive.On the china side ZERO aircraft with this capability.
You are talking out of your *** again.
J-11B/BS: An Onboard Oxygen Generator System (OBOGS). Only the most recent Russian variants have an OBOGS.
PLA-AF and PLA-N Flanker Variants. You notice unlike a troll like you , I provide a source.
Obviously PLAAF with limited understanding and experience of mountanous operations has led to this serious disadvantage for PLAAF aircraft in air combat and deep strike.
Yah, they must know less than a fanboy like you how to conduct air operations. In case you didnt know, that was pure sarcasm.
''Using GCIs to support a strike into chinese airspace? Muhahhahahah. That says alot about your lack of understanding of modern air battle.''
Again noob rant,read carefully.Its talking about intercepting and destroying incoming chinese aircarft.The scenario is you are the aggressor since we are status quo power.GCI is perfectly viable for intercept missions.
Eh,, Norway is abit far from India, noob. Learn some basic geography first. If you are talking about the chinese, then it is status quo for them too. When was the last time PLAAF participated in a war?
''They are short range SAMS''

Keep in mind that your aircraft will have to fly at low altitudes mostly around 14000 feet,due to lack of proper equipment[OBOG]
This is WELL within the range of the spyder-SR with a range of 15-20 kms.[15 kms is 50000 feet]Thats way way more than is required to shoot down bandits.
Face palm , that is about the dumbest I have heard. You do know there are JDAMs and A2G missiles well outside that range , right? They can probably fire their missiles inside their own airspace. Read about DH-10.
Akash is a Medium range SAM with range of over 30 kms.Again all chinese aircarft forced to fly low anyway are well within the range of our SAM network,You think IAF is stupid to induct useless modern SAMs after years of long acquisition process?These are perfectly capable systems.And in handicapped PLAAF'S case much more so.

As for AWACS exactly ur kj-2000 the only capable awacs in ur inventory suffers from endurance issues in TAR altitude,Turboprop awacs need uprated engine that won't be available till 2016 at least.And also are terribly vulnerable in offensive operations.You are not in a good way in terms of AWACS support from TAR for an invasion.

KJ-2000 is not mine. How will you know they suffer from endurance issues, from your imiginations again?
What ignorance speaking.The bulk of ur infrastructure and airbases are in tibet,without which ur invasion is logistically toothless.
No idea what nonsense you are talking about. the bulk of infrastructures and airbases are in Tibet? Look up a map, will you?
Terrain isn't suited for air battle for YOU.Not for us,iaf has prepared well in this regard with specialized equipment for high altitude aircraft.
No, your noob. the terrain is not suited for air battle for either side.
Leaving aside OBOGs and surveillence ability,Just see our new LCH .Built with specific ability to operate with full weapons load at 20000 feet,that means it can provide air support to ground formations at high altitude areas.Ur wz-10 can only operate at service ceiling of 6200 feet.LCH is product of kargil experience.
That depends on the engines used. China have used black hawks extensively on Tibet. Learn some basics, will you?You dont need a kargil to know that is usefull or not.
Iaf's preparation and experience,doctrine for high altitude operations has been far superior.
Why, because you say so? ROFL. Last time PLA kicked your ***. But I will take your words that IA are farrrr superior.
So keep saying 'terrain isn't suitable for air combat'.If your aircraft wanna stay at their home bases,fine .Not our problem.
The IAF will pound ur hapless advancing land invasion force and its supply lines to smithereens instead.You know what happens to a modern army without air cover........
Who was the ignorant noob here?
THat will be you, sir. Since you are the one claiming PLA will enter indian area with no air support. I always mentioned that there wont be any incursions from the chinese. India just isnt their priority. PLAAF will conducting air denial in chinese airspace, not conducting raids into India.
 

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THat will be you, sir. Since you are the one claiming PLA will enter indian area with no air support. I always mentioned that there wont be any incursions from the chinese. India just isnt their priority. PLAAF will conducting air denial in chinese airspace, not conducting raids into India.
If PLAAF isn't attacking us,then it doesn't matter to us either coz we are certainly not attacking you.But ground control intercept and SAMS are perfectly viable if they do.It was your chinese buddies who initiated this scenario of PLA invasion and then rolling over indian armed forces like cake,my answers have been strictly to bring them back to reality.If PLAAF keeps to its side,its not our problem how good it is.

PLAAF has a number of current gen (4.5++) fighter programs that can match or exceed MKI, such as J-10B, J-11B, J-15 & J-16.
Programmes,none atm that can match the mki.

So much on your BS. Your idea is based on your delusion, PLAAF will not have the thing you mention. Previously you claimed so much of State of Art training of IAF which until now proves with nothing concrete mention.

While PLAAF training has already gone digital with advance training pod which could simulate record all the flight data and immediately live feed back to monitoring HQ for immediate assessment. As for IAF, they do not have such capabilities yet. Air Training is still a generation behind PLAAF.

As for PLAAF, if you don't know what's happening. Do not act you know alot. If you need education about advancement of PLAAF. I can guide you.... Since most of them is in Chinese.

This video demonstrate the whole network of Chinese defense with SAM , AWACS and fighter jet. But I am not interested to tell you what. I will let the Chinese speaking audience have an idea of PLAAF network thru this video.

Regarding precision strike. PLAAF has plenty of option.

JH-7A with KD-88


PLA Guided Bombs

J-10 drop Laser guided bomb


As for PLA C4ISR, please go update yourself and just becos you don't know does not mean it doesn't exist.

http://www.jamestown.org/programs/c...=36052&tx_ttnews[backPid]=25&cHash=44f7c29ff2


By the way, this is a 2010 report and the last 3 years of PLA C4ISR even advances more with more Satellite launches to support further expanding of PLA C4ISR capabilities with continue of the Yaogan series dual use satellite.

But this 2010 report is not conclude of current situation(2013) but more or less gives a idea of direction PLAAF are heading.

SOme of the more current update of part of China C4ISR capabilities increases...
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-01/09/c_132091412.htm
So u showed a pic of PLAAF aircraft dropping LGBs and doing digital training and think ur a generation ahead of IAF in pilot training.
You think IAF doesn't do digital tarining ,or simulator training,IAF started using LGBs 15 yrs ago.We have large UAV fleet,urs is still unsuitable for TAR.And no exrecises or foreign exposure,lesser flying hours and the antiquated political commissar system makes better pilots by a generation?Sure convince urself.
 
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Chinese members please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that all PLAAF fighters from J-10 & J-11B onwards have OBOGS.
Not yet ,j-11b is planned to have OBOG and AESA at some point in the future.
As far as i know except india...So far only three countries- United States, Russia and France- have successfully integrated the OBOGS technology in their air forces.Though this cost us a fortune,it was valuable after the experience of kargil.
 

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If PLAAF isn't attacking us,then it doesn't matter to us either coz we are certainly not attacking you.But ground control intercept and SAMS are perfectly viable if they do.It was your chinese buddies who initiated this scenario of PLA invasion and then rolling over indian armed forces like cake,my answers have been strictly to bring them back to reality.If PLAAF keeps to its side,its not our problem how good it is.



Programmes,none atm that can match the mki.



So u showed a pic of PLAAF aircraft dropping LGBs and doing digital training and think ur a generation ahead of IAF in pilot training.
You think IAF doesn't do digital tarining ,or simulator training,IAF started using LGBs 15 yrs ago.We have large UAV fleet,urs is still unsuitable for TAR.And no exrecises or foreign exposure,lesser flying hours and the antiquated political commissar system makes better pilots by a generation?Sure convince urself.
Yes, I think IAF doesn't do digital training. Instead of talking without anything back up. Perhaps you shall come up with something concrete..

As for laser guided bomb. They are many few generation of laser guided bomb. IAF one is primtive first gen While CHina has already gone to paveway III laser guided bomb with more jamming resistance and more accurate.

The LT-3 is the most sophisticated guided bomb developed to date by Chinese industry. This weapon combines a satellite/inertial guidance package in a tailkit derived from the LS-6 250 kg glidebomb, and a gimballed proportional navigation semi-active laser homing seeker.

The weapon employs a strap-on strake kit similar to that used with the GBU-31/32 JDAM series. The gimballed detector platform is closest in concept to the TI Paveway III LLLGB design - the LT-3 occupies the same capability niche as the US enhanced EGBU-24 or GBU-54/55/56(V)/B Laser JDAM (LJDAM) weapons.




LT-3 P-Nav SALH seeker gimbal. Note the application of an interference filter coating to the optical detector lens to improve IR background rejection
PLAAF offensive capabilities are far superior than IAF while IAF is still remain in the early 90s tech of laser guide bomb.

Even PLAAF has a dedicated airborne unit of 15th corps full many self made and design airborne mechanized unit that can strike any place of India in short time once air superiority is achieved.





I don't think IAF has any of these.
 

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Not yet ,j-11b is planned to have OBOG and AESA at some point in the future.
As far as i know except india...So far only three countries- United States, Russia and France- have successfully integrated the OBOGS technology in their air forces.Though this cost us a fortune,it was valuable after the experience of kargil.
I already provided a source for you that J11B got OBOG. Learn to read, dude.
And I doubt J11 will have AESA. J10B already got one.
 

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I already provided a source for you that J11B got OBOG. Learn to read, dude.
And I doubt J11 will have AESA. J10B already got one.
This AUSTERLITZ is very ignorant. Lack of research and extensive study of PLAAF new doctrine and procurement of this lazy fella makes him think IAF has superior edge over most of the peers. It's good that he comes to this forum and have a eye opener. :lol:



J-11B/BS: An Onboard Oxygen Generator System (OBOGS). Only the most recent Russian variants have an OBOGS.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-Flanker-Variants.html
 

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This AUSTERLITZ is very ignorant. Lack of research and extensive study of PLAAF new doctrine and procurement of this lazy fella makes him think IAF has superior edge over most of the peers. It's good that he comes to this forum and have a eye opener. :lol:





PLA-AF and PLA-N Flanker Variants
I guess we will have to give him a chance. There are fanboys on both sides. We are all here to learn. However he do need to read more and talk less.
 

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This AUSTERLITZ is very ignorant. Lack of research and extensive study of PLAAF new doctrine and procurement of this lazy fella makes him think IAF has superior edge over most of the peers. It's good that he comes to this forum and have a eye opener. :lol:





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So j-11b has got it,last time i had heard it was still in planning.Now how many j-11b variants have u got?Compared to 300 mig-29s,mirages and sukhois?From a total of 140 j-11s?How many are upgarded to this standard.And still j-11 would have a inferior radar,no thrust vector and lesser hardpoints than the mki?Calling others ignorant,while assuming ur just going to walk in and take air dominance huh?As for research,feeling is mutual u better start learning about IAF as well instead of babbling generic stereotypes.
 

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So j-11b has got it,last time i had heard it was still in planning.Now how many j-11b variants have u got?Compared to 300 mig-29s,mirages and sukhois?From a total of 140 j-11s?How many are upgarded to this standard.And still j-11 would have a inferior radar,no thrust vector and lesser hardpoints than the mki?Calling others ignorant,while assuming ur just going to walk in and take air dominance huh?As for research,feeling is mutual u better start learning about IAF as well instead of babbling generic stereotypes.
Typical response without backing... :lol:

Stop manipulating your data. Until , most of your Mirage 2000 and Mig-29 are old airframe with modest upgrade. There's still a limit of what old airframe can do..

We have 300 new J-10 specifically to kill off your MKI. Modern warfare is never about a single platform. 3rd gen warfare is about wiring everything together to enter the battlefield. We have demonstrated the network fighting of PLAAF asset with backing and links for everybody to see. PLAAF power projection is definitely enough to handle whole India especially she 's only situated beside China and not few thousands km away.

If you wanted to really demonstrated your point. We are more than welcome of you to challenge our point but please. Uselss ranting without backing will only make you looks desperate. :lol:
 

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Yes, I think IAF doesn't do digital training. Instead of talking without anything back up. Perhaps you shall come up with something concrete..

As for laser guided bomb. They are many few generation of laser guided bomb. IAF one is primtive first gen While CHina has already gone to paveway III laser guided bomb with more jamming resistance and more accurate.




PLAAF offensive capabilities are far superior than IAF while IAF is still remain in the early 90s tech of laser guide bomb.

Even PLAAF has a dedicated airborne unit of 15th corps full many self made and design airborne mechanized unit that can strike any place of India in short time once air superiority is achieved.

I don't think IAF has any of these.
On tactical simulators,pune is the centre base of maximum numbers of sukhoi simulators what i got -
''Regarding the deployment of Su-30MKI squadrons, the procvedure being followed by the IAF is to have the maximum concentration in Pune only as a temporary measure, simply due to the ready availability of Su-30MKI tactical simulators, cockpit procedures trainers and weapons employment part-task simulators there.''

All new sukhoi-30mki bases have at least one such simulator.



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Here mig-29 simulators in indian service.Simulators aren't incredibly high fi technology.

IAF doesn't just use LGB,IAF was using LGB in 1990s.



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Jaguar launching Indegenous LGB,based on paveway.



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cbu-105 sensor fuzed weapon.



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Crystal maze PGM,indian version of the israeli popeye.

Plus all the russian munitions commonly used by both PLAAF and IAF.

Also we have these.
LITENING targeting pod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Used by most nato,USAF,ISAF etc.

Plus this.The rafael israeli RECCELITE pod.
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd.
Used again by many top airforces.

ELTA's Pod SAR - ELM-2060P - YouTube
And this.ELTA ELM-2060 SAR pod.
Since we are both learning about each other air forces let's do a quid pro quo.Whats china's comparable asset here?

As for the last line....

''Even PLAAF has a dedicated airborne unit of 15th corps full many self made and design airborne mechanized unit that can strike any place of India in short time once air superiority is achieved.''
ONCE air superiority is achieved.You can deploy a limited number of squadrons[16-21 max] in TAR,most can't fly at high altitude,u got no superior craft to the mki.Your aircraft will take off at 1/3 payloads mostly,visible on radar due to terrain,will have to first take on our air defence network,and ur UAVs are not suitable for high altitude ops,U will enter a networked ground and awacs environment with sams and aircraft at full payload.You are fighting on our turf,keep dreaming about air superiority.
And without that ur land advantage means little in modern warfare.

Typical response without backing... :lol:

Stop manipulating your data. Until , most of your Mirage 2000 and Mig-29 are old airframe with modest upgrade. There's still a limit of what old airframe can do..

We have 300 new J-10 specifically to kill off your MKI. Modern warfare is never about a single platform. 3rd gen warfare is about wiring everything together to enter the battlefield. We have demonstrated the network fighting of PLAAF asset with backing and links for everybody to see. PLAAF power projection is definitely enough to handle whole India especially she 's only situated beside China and not few thousands km away.

If you wanted to really demonstrated your point. We are more than welcome of you to challenge our point but please. Uselss ranting without backing will only make you looks desperate. :lol:
The same j-10 that was'CRUSHED' by j-11s in exercises.Now if j-11s did that even without BARS radar and thrust vector what will mki do to poor j-10.Ones that PAF won't even buy in place of f-16s.Ones that have reputation of maintainence nightamre.
And i gave my answer in the next post,u ranted even before reading my 2nd post on PGMs and Simulators.As usual.PLAAF power projection over whole india.HAHAHAHA.You can't even project power with those load restrictions in Tibet.U get anywhere deep those squadrons are gonna get surrounded and made mincemeat of by IAF squadrons from all over india.The fight is in our backyard not yours.And our rules,never forget that.
 

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