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Shantanu_Left

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It isn't personal. It's about facts. Once you say you are Indian. Then you take offence at someone saying something, and declare yourself Singaporean. Now you are back to being Indian.

I don't mind what you want to be, @Shantanu_Left, but be consistent.

As far as opening rape threads are concerned, you are heading towards a ban, but hey! If that floats your boat, go ahead and get banned. A lot of the Hindutva crowd take it as a badge of honour, so you are in good company :D.
My point is why are you getting so flared up over this rape story about Indian men? Why can't we politely discuss a crime perpetrated by an Indian man?

If you don't like this thread, you have the option to stay out, no?

Also this threat of a ban on me will not work.
 

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I am teasing you. Don't take that one seriously. I am perfectly willing to delete it if you so choose.
Oh no, no issues. I know you wouldn't hit below the belt, so to speak.

I had a genuine point to make. I agree with you in essence, but don't agree with the following:
  1. You can't call yourself Indian; I don't think we should be criticising any but our own.
  2. You can't start a rape thread. This is just flaming. The statistics are in front of all of us.
  3. The forum itself does not encourage it, but I have nothing to say about that. It is for the Mods to oversee and spot and act, if they think it inappropriate. I am just saying this is discouraged.
On the matter you raised, I am halfway between @masterchief_mirza <delicate shudder!> and @sinait, perhaps a hairsbreadth closer to @sinait.

I haven't explored this issue in depth.
For me, prostitute sexual services is a grey area.
In selling sex, be prepared to meet people not having the best of manners.

I don't think we should equate sex with a prostitute with an unwilling woman being raped.
The offence should be assault and not rape as the sex part of the deal had been paid.
For assault, there need to be evidence like bruises and injury to the body or vagina which was not mentioned in the article.
Yup, that's it.

In principle, I am against prostitution, but believe the users of those services should be punished, never, ever the sex worker.
 

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My point is why are you getting so flared up over this rape story about Indian men? Why can't we politely discuss a crime perpetrated by an Indian man?
Where did I get flared up? Can't I comment without being accused of various things?

We can certainly discuss crimes by Indian men if we are Indians. Not if we are Pakistanis, or Singaporeans, or Chinese or whatever.

The reason is that this is used to vilify the whole country and all Indians. It is part of a toolset.

Nobody threatened you, btw. Just read the forum rules. Quoting them is not a threat, surely?
 

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Everyone, including sex workers, needs to be treated with the same human dignity.

Good the moron got what he deserved.
See even this Bangla on the other side of the border gets it. He has vociferously condemned Mr. Ranvir Singh.

Somehow Joe Babu @Joe Shearer chooses to remain silent, and gets angry about this story. He has nothing to be angry about. It's not personal for any Indian posters here. It is discussing a problem of Indian culture.
 

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See even this Bangla on the other side of the border gets it. He has vociferously condemned Mr. Ranvir Singh.
Is it your point that I didn't 'vociferously' condemn Mr. Ranvir Singh? I condemn rapists, irrespective of who they are. What's your problem in getting that, or pretending that I am on the other side of this issue?

I ask this with no rancour, only a sense of detached amusement at your antics.
 

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I had a genuine point to make. I agree with you in essence, but don't agree with the following:
  1. You can't call yourself Indian; I don't think we should be criticising any but our own.
  2. You can't start a rape thread. This is just flaming. The statistics are in front of all of us.
  3. The forum itself does not encourage it, but I have nothing to say about that. It is for the Mods to oversee and spot and act, if they think it inappropriate. I am just saying this is discouraged.
On the matter you raised, I am halfway between @masterchief_mirza <delicate shudder!> and @sinait, perhaps a hairsbreadth closer to @sinait.

@masterchief_mirza

Do you agree with the points raised by Joe Babu? I somehow can't buy it. Tell me where I am wrong in starting this thread. I need a second opinion.
 

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@masterchief_mirza

Do you agree with the points raised by Joe Babu? I somehow can't buy it. Tell me where I am wrong in starting this thread. I need a second opinion.
@masterchief_mirza isn't a second opinion. He is relevant only because he made a smart-alec comment and you hope that he will continue to give you responses.

If you want to know, (a) look at the rules; they are prominently right at the top; (b) ask the administrators.
 

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It has nothing to do with Indian culture.

You don't have rape in Singapore? Other than by Indians in Singapore?
Apples to Oranges, Joe.

In India, a rapist gets a slap in the wrist (in many cases). Some of the prolific rapists enter the Indian Parliament as MPs.

In Singapore, a rapist will get tasered in his balls. Literally, they get rattan canes on their bare bottoms (not sure about the balls part).
 
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