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This is a Must Watch fr all Strategic Thinkers / Learners.


Two giant armies go head to head in this hypothetical war video. How would the conflict unfold? Who would win, and by how much? Which side has more forces at the border? Which has the technological edge? Watch the video and find out!​
 

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Jab gidad ki mout ati hai to wo shahar ki taraf bhagta hai. China is doing the exact same, messing with. India, Vietnam, Japan, US, Australia, SE asian countries at the same time. Time that all these countries united and showed that fake super power its place.
 

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Two giant armies go head to head in this hypothetical war video. How would the conflict unfold? Who would win, and by how much? Which side has more forces at the border? Which has the technological edge? Watch the video and find out!​
His videos have been picked apart on numerous military forums, other than this one. He's about as qualified as any of the knowledgable posters here, regardless of nationality.
As for the video, let's take one point i.e. that the Mig-29k is classified capable (fair) but the J-10B is mediocre (unfair) according to what?
 
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Two giant armies go head to head in this hypothetical war video. How would the conflict unfold? Who would win, and by how much? Which side has more forces at the border? Which has the technological edge? Watch the video and find out!​
Such analyses had also largely predicted that the IAF would treat the PAF like it was 'shooting fish in a barrel', given the 'overwhelming numerical and technological superiority of the IAF', yet we saw during Balakot and subsequent events that comparisons on paper aren't always accurate, and there are many, many other variables that govern the effectiveness of a military response.
 

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Jab gidad ki mout ati hai to wo shahar ki taraf bhagta hai. China is doing the exact same, messing with. India, Vietnam, Japan, US, Australia, SE asian countries at the same time. Time that all these countries united and showed that fake super power its place.
Lets be honest here. China does what is best for her interests.
History shows what UK , US did. It has happened in the past it will happen again in the future.

World respects power.
 

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Such analyses had also largely predicted that the IAF would treat the PAF like it was 'shooting fish in a barrel', given the 'overwhelming numerical and technological superiority of the IAF', yet we saw during Balakot and subsequent events that comparisons on paper aren't always accurate, and there are many, many other variables that govern the effectiveness of a military response.
In a full blown war PAF will be decimated. Just an insignificant skirmish where numerically superior PAF brought down an old Mig 21 was by no means an extraordinary feat. You base your conclusion on that and the results for you will be the same as the history shows us.

Lets be honest here. China does what is best for her interests.
History shows what UK , US did. It has happened in the past it will happen again in the future.

World respects power.
The last war the the Chinese fought was in 1979 when they got their a**** kicked by the Viets, since then their glorious people's liberation army has only killed unarmed protesters. It's time we liberate Tibet and even Chinese masses from the tyrrany of the evil ccp and send emperor pingping and his commie thugs to their own concentration camps.
 

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In a full blown war PAF will be decimated. Just an insignificant skirmish where numerically superior PAF brought down an old Mig 21 was by no means an extraordinary feat. You base your conclusion on that and the results for you will be the same as the history shows us.
If the IAF has the same views about what occurred during and after Balakot as you, then it's not the PAF that is going to be decimated in the next war.

In any case - there are plenty of existing discussions about the events around Balakot, many in which I note that you've participated and yet, somehow, have managed to not disabuse yourself of the views in your quoted post.

No point in hijacking this thread. You want to believe in simplistic analysis and comparisons, go right ahead.
 

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In a full blown war PAF will be decimated. Just an insignificant skirmish where numerically superior PAF brought down an old Mig 21 was by no means an extraordinary feat. You base your conclusion on that and the results for you will be the same as the history shows us.
You need to stop putting rubbish on this forum. The IAF can't decimate the PAF, we saw that back in Feb. Old Mig-21 so why the hell was the IAF leadership flying it still? Why was it upgraded? Don't you remember the Cope Indian 2014 exercises when the Mig-21 "beat" the F-15's.

Here's an extract for you to think about;

The Flanker wasn’t the only aircraft that the Eagle’s drivers faced in mock air-to-air combat: “The two most formidable IAF aircraft proved to be the MiG-21 Bison, an upgraded version of the Russian-made baseline MiG-21, and the Su-30MK Flanker, also made in Russia,” Snodgrass explained to AW&ST.

Low radar visibility, instantaneous turn rate, acceleration and the helmet mounted sight combined with high-off-boresight R-73 air-to-air missiles were among the factors that made the upgraded MiG-21 a deadly adversary for the U.S. F-15s.


Not only did the IAF lose a jet, their other jets were ineffective and had to turn back to avoid losses, these were also the much touted SU-30MKI's and Mirage 2000's.

It certainly won't be the PAF "decimated".
 

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If the IAF has the same views about what occurred during and after Balakot as you, then it's not the PAF that is going to be decimated in the next war.

In any case - there are plenty of existing discussions about the events around Balakot, many in which I note that you've participated and yet, somehow, have managed to not disabuse yourself of the views in your quoted post.

No point in hijacking this thread. You want to believe in simplistic analysis and comparisons, go right ahead.
No Indian has any delusion over the losses.
Infact "defeat" or "win" will be largely relative for observers.

If there is a War. Both sides will loose significant money and men.
 

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In a full blown war PAF will be decimated. Just an insignificant skirmish where numerically superior PAF brought down an old Mig 21 was by no means an extraordinary feat. You base your conclusion on that and the results for you will be the same as the history shows us.



The last war the the Chinese fought was in 1979 when they got their a**** kicked by the Viets, since then their glorious people's liberation army has only killed unarmed protesters. It's time we liberate Tibet and even Chinese masses from the tyrrany of the evil ccp and send emperor pingping and his commie thugs totto own concentration camps.
Based on statistics available even by the Indian claims PAF decimated your Air Force in every encounter so what’re you cooking there? What about your top notch SU-30MKI along with Mig 21. In a full blown war you have more territory to cover with what’s remaining in your Air Force.

last time I saw a Chinese soldier flying kick your soldier, so it’s best that you guys forget about war yeh tumharay kaam ki cheez nahi stick to Bollywood, you guys will live happier an healthier.
 

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If the IAF has the same views about what occurred during and after Balakot as you, then it's not the PAF that is going to be decimated in the next war.

In any case - there are plenty of existing discussions about the events around Balakot, many in which I note that you've participated and yet, somehow, have managed to not disabuse yourself of the views in your quoted post.

No point in hijacking this thread. You want to believe in simplistic analysis and comparisons, go right ahead.
You need to stop putting rubbish on this forum. The IAF can't decimate the PAF, we saw that back in Feb. Old Mig-21 so why the hell was the IAF leadership flying it still? Why was it upgraded? Don't you remember the Cope Indian 2014 exercises when the Mig-21 "beat" the F-15's.

Here's an extract for you to think about;

The Flanker wasn’t the only aircraft that the Eagle’s drivers faced in mock air-to-air combat: “The two most formidable IAF aircraft proved to be the MiG-21 Bison, an upgraded version of the Russian-made baseline MiG-21, and the Su-30MK Flanker, also made in Russia,” Snodgrass explained to AW&ST.

Low radar visibility, instantaneous turn rate, acceleration and the helmet mounted sight combined with high-off-boresight R-73 air-to-air missiles were among the factors that made the upgraded MiG-21 a deadly adversary for the U.S. F-15s.


Not only did the IAF lose a jet, their other jets were ineffective and had to turn back to avoid losses, these were also the much touted SU-30MKI's and Mirage 2000's.

It certainly won't be the PAF "decimated".
IAF leadership may have faults of its own but that doesn't mean the PAF is better that the IAF. Again Feb 27 was no extraordinary feat for you as you brought down a lone bison with numerical superiority and even lost one of your own. It's same like we once shot down your atlantique aircraft. We made no noise unlike you.

Based on statistics available even by the Indian claims PAF decimated your Air Force in every encounter so what’re you cooking there? What about your top notch SU-30MKI along with Mig 21. In a full blown war you have more territory to cover with what’s remaining in your Air Force.

last time I saw a Chinese soldier flying kick your soldier, so it’s best that you guys forget about war yeh tumharay kaam ki cheez nahi stick to Bollywood, you guys will live happier an healthier.
Those must be ispr statistics, and you couldn't do **** against the su, apart from wasting a couple of bvr missiles.
 

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China wins India. Natural.
India wins China. Miracle
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The Video Posted by an Indian ( me ) whose conclusion is China has "Marginal" Victory ( If No nukes involved ). India gets "Marginally" Defeated. Period.

In Effect, I ( as an Indian ) Agree that India is far weaker than China, no comparison, but War is about situations ( Hint : Vietnam or 1967, Sikkim ) .
 

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