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BREAKING NEWS - A Pakistani anti-terrorism court has sentenced Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed to 31 years in jail.

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Not happening, if anything India's moves after Modi have only helped Pakistan's cause. I read through sentiments of Kashmiri expats and students some ten years ago and they were focused on their prosperity and using the Indian system to get more rights rather than independence.
That was a time I was sure Pakistan was going to lose the Kashmir issue since the echoes of wanting a semi-independent life were also hitting Azad Kashmir.
The current regime is plainly trying demographic change to legalize the idea that Kashmir isn't disputed but that can never permeate through either sides nationalist lens. Not that it isn't a shrewd if not brutal way to solve an issue.
What makes you say that GOI is trying a demographic change? I've not seen any news to show that people are actually moving there. Even tourism is at an all time low thanks to Covid. :undecided:

EDIT : May have had the outdated information about tourism there

 

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What makes you say that GOI is trying a demographic change? I've not seen any news to show that people are actually moving there. Even tourism is at an all time low thanks to Covid. :undecided:

EDIT : May have had the outdated information about tourism there

The ability to own and buy properties there which was not possible as such before 370 was abrogated. It hasn’t moved the needle as expected but it also requires some religious motivation and “Kashmir files” will do that.
 

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The ability to own and buy properties there which was not possible as such before 370 was abrogated. It hasn’t moved the needle as expected but it also requires some religious motivation and “Kashmir files” will do that.
....so will someone start a small insurgency there to make sure that no one moves there?
 

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The ability to own and buy properties there which was not possible as such before 370 was abrogated. It hasn’t moved the needle as expected but it also requires some religious motivation and “Kashmir files” will do that.
We'll have to see if your prediction comes true. Kashmir allowed 99 year lease before this move. So I'm not very convinced that the new rule will make a significant difference.

I can imagine Indians moving to Kashmir if there are jobs there. This requires security in the region. 🤔 Perhaps more than that, the region needs infrastructure and educated labor fur economic developments.
 

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It is. The goal here is keep Kashmir on the boil until Indian equivalent of Gorbachev is elected and decides Kashmir is better off being independent and they plan to achieve this by below-
1. Eliminate pro Indian elements in Kashmir - pandits
2. Support the insurgency enough to keep Indian military deployed in Kashmir and thereby increasing local Kashmiri acrimony towards Indian Govt
Point 1 is nothing more than a Sanghi conspiracy theory. The forefathers of your RSS, the Nazis, also rationalized themselves as the victims while they butchered millions. Standard BJP playbook is to victimize Hindus, and use that to justify butchering Muslims. This is nothing different than the Germans and the Jews, and just like the Nazis the BJP fuels its self on pure lies.

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BJP Rajya Sabha MP Kirodi Lal Meena Saturday said there was an “exodus” of Hindus from Karauli in Rajasthan following the violence on April 2 — a claim police have termed “totally incorrect”.
" [indian express]

I wouldn't expect you to figure it out, fascism is like a fog in the minds of its subjects. The psychological triggers it kicks off debilitates peoples ability to think rationally.
 

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I said evidence can be staged, which was in this case, let me give you an example
Suppose some foreign agency train few Indians in India in some place and then use them to attack Pakistan and then make it look like Modi is behind it, was he?
Indian media can find proofs that attackers were Indians and trained at a place in India thus Modi is responsible, you see how these false flags are conducted. Yes it was a failure of Pakistani Agencies they could not stop such an hideous attack, every Pakistani condemn that attack.
Hafiz Saeed has denied any involvement in the attacks and condemned it, so did others who were blamed.
Don't you see those attacks are the reason behind Modi coming into power and RSS gaining complete control in India. Think about it, to understand it better look into Samhota Express attack in which Hindu extremists and extremists from the Indian army were involved, and those who were investigating samjhota express, that whole team was killed in Mumbai Hotel. Connect the dots.
And what did India do in response they attacked Pakistani civilians through terrorism and supported all terrorist groups that were targeting Pakistan, and still support them.

But the biggest hole is that if your Ex PM says.. he has "Verified" kasab and his native village.
Its no longer a "fabrication"

As an Indian, Why should I believe in you fairy tale of supposed facts rather something verified by Our Agenceis, By Your Ex PM, By Independent Foreign Writers. we haven have a hollywood Movie.. over it.


Its was a 100% Pakistani Job. period. ( When I say Pakistani i dont mean ur PM. or .Govt. rather.. certain Fringe Elements )
 

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Like I said everything is possible if you have will, they won't risk a nuclear war over Kashmir.

there won't be any nuke war , pakistan simply can't take kashmir by force , it is matter of numerical superiority of indian military force . previous attepmts in 1965 , 1998 are example how it is difficultot to get kashmir by force .both times matter ended in ceasefire .
 
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Hafiz Saeed is banged up to please the Americans, whilst TTP
terrorists got second chance to cause havoc. This stupid
establishment released Abhinandhan who came to bomb Pakistan,
but bangs up a patriotic Pakistani.

1) Abhinandan's group was merely defending against the attempted PAF incursion. They succeeded in that. Bombing Pakistan was already done the day before.

2) The choice for Pakistan was to release Abhinandan within 24 hours, as ordered by India, or to face the full might of the Indian military. They wisely chose the former.

3) Your "patriotic Pakistani" sent gunmen to shoot innocent men, women and children on the streets of Mumbai. Islamist jihadis/terrorists like him deserve nothing less than a jail cell.

Like I said everything is possible if you have will, they won't risk a nuclear war over Kashmir.
You must be very young (teenager?) or very naive or both, if you think that you can take Kashmir from India. Even your military hasn't dared to try that openly since 1965.

And yes, India will do whatever it takes to defend Kashmir. In '65, you made the same mistake of assuming that India will not risk a larger war for Kashmir, and started Operation grandslam and India responded by all out counter attacks all across the IB and Punjab. You ended up defending Lahore, instead of taking Kashmir.

Kashmir has always been, and always will be defended like any other part of India. You will not take it from us. Your military will not dare - even in 1999, they had to send non uniformed jihadis to die, instead of facing us like real men. That ended with a regime change in Pakistan.
 
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Always fascinating to see non resident Pakistanis sitting in western countries, enjoying their western citizenships and advocating that Kashmir should have only Muslim habitation, not even accepting the few hindu kashmiris who were the original inhabitants. Many muslims in kashmir still use their original hindu surnames but want the Hindus to remain in exile from their ancestral homes.
The double standards and 2 faced arguments are astonishing.
We want extra rights in non Muslim countries but no non Muslim should ever migrate to our Muslim majority lands. And the few original non muslims should either convert, leave or die.
 

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Always fascinating to see non resident Pakistanis sitting in western countries, enjoying their western citizenships and advocating that Kashmir should have only Muslim habitation, not even accepting the few hindu kashmiris who were the original inhabitants. Many muslims in kashmir still use their original hindu surnames but want the Hindus to remain in exile from their ancestral homes.
The double standards and 2 faced arguments are astonishing.
We want extra rights in non Muslim countries but no non Muslim should ever migrate to our Muslim majority lands. And the few original non muslims should either convert, leave or die.

You do not belong in Kashmir South Indian, stay in Kerala where you belong. I don't want to get racial here but I am sick of your kind pretending to be from the Northern parts of South Asia.
 

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