Boeing’s China orders ‘likely to be affected’ with home-grown C919 passenger jet set for certification, C919 likely to displace Airbus and Boeing sale

[MultaniGuy]

Xi Meets C919 Project Team, Urging More Breakthroughs in High-end Equipment Manufacturing​

Pakistan should make a deal with China to assemble these C919s in Pakistan.

 

[qwerrty]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1576048673728786432

 

[Beast]

I certainly would hope China feels their own planes are worthy for their own market.

Why need to hope? You think Chinese dont feel comfortable with C919 but prefer flying coffin Max? LOL..

 

[lcloo]

Objectively speaking, COMAC's C919 production is not able to fullfill all of China's need for passenger jets in the next 20 years. China will need around 7,000 new passenger jets, therefore there is a fair share for COMAC, Airbus and Boeing.

However, how much Boeing will receive orders from China will depend on US's trade, foreign and military policies towards China.

AT present, China-US relationship is at the lowest since the Cold war, Boeing is a victim because of Trump and Biden. Boeing will lose the 737 class orders to Airbus but they still can expect good sales from 777 and 787 if Biden is not stupid enough to make China-US relationship worst.

At the most optimistic situation where COMAC can made an average of 150 C919 per year for the next 20 years, they could only roll out 3,000 aircraft, which is still 4,000 short of the 7,000 aircraft China needs.

Boeing's fate will depend on US's attitute towards China. And we are not expecting the relationships will get better in the next 10 years, thus Airbus will be gaining at the expense of Boeing if they play the game nicely.

And fo a simple reason that China is a huge market for airliners, COMAC will grow at rapid rates to become major global player after expanding their production facilities as decades pass.

 

[Mentee]

Never let your finance department run your manufacturing company. MBA and CPA grads know the cost of everything and value of nothing

This!!! never let the clerical staff dictate the professionals ! Which is a dilemma in the third world . Which is why we see lil to no industrial setups instead they keep on begging from others .

 

[beijingwalker]

China's Homegrown C919 Adopts Ingenious Interior Designs with Well-orchestrated Amenities

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[ozranger]

Objectively speaking, COMAC's C919 production is not able to fullfill all of China's need for passenger jets in the next 20 years. China will need around 7,000 new passenger jets, therefore there is a fair share for COMAC, Airbus and Boeing.

However, how much Boeing will receive orders from China will depend on US's trade, foreign and military policies towards China.

AT present, China-US relationship is at the lowest since the Cold war, Boeing is a victim because of Trump and Biden. Boeing will lose the 737 class orders to Airbus but they still can expect good sales from 777 and 787 if Biden is not stupid enough to make China-US relationship worst.

At the most optimistic situation where COMAC can made an average of 150 C919 per year for the next 20 years, they could only roll out 3,000 aircraft, which is still 4,000 short of the 7,000 aircraft China needs.

Boeing's fate will depend on US's attitute towards China. And we are not expecting the relationships will get better in the next 10 years, thus Airbus will be gaining at the expense of Boeing if they play the game nicely.

And fo a simple reason that China is a huge market for airliners, COMAC will grow at rapid rates to become major global player after expanding their production facilities as decades pass.

At least for narrow body market, there is no future for B737 in China. Xiamen Airlines has completely transformed its Boeing only fleets into Airbus ones and it is a perfect indicator to show what will happen in China. Furthermore, all the support facilities in China will also run the similar transformation, namely no more Boeing's, not only because of the ongoing geopolitical problem, but also for cost optimisation as C919 was designed from the very beginning to use support and training systems highly similar and probably compatible with those for Airbus planes.

Airbus has had very good understanding about the crack between China and the US. So they have been outsourcing a lot of major works to China's AVIC, while Boeing only let Chinese partners work on fitting for interior and painting for exterior. It's quite safe to say that Airbus will stand firmly in China in next decades. Boeing will go and spare the market for COMAC.

 

[Beast]

I tell u what. Sourgrape loser will still try to make C919 is such a failure project even it sold 1000 airliner.

The western media is only good at deluding themselves.

Objectively speaking, COMAC's C919 production is not able to fullfill all of China's need for passenger jets in the next 20 years. China will need around 7,000 new passenger jets, therefore there is a fair share for COMAC, Airbus and Boeing.

However, how much Boeing will receive orders from China will depend on US's trade, foreign and military policies towards China.

AT present, China-US relationship is at the lowest since the Cold war, Boeing is a victim because of Trump and Biden. Boeing will lose the 737 class orders to Airbus but they still can expect good sales from 777 and 787 if Biden is not stupid enough to make China-US relationship worst.

At the most optimistic situation where COMAC can made an average of 150 C919 per year for the next 20 years, they could only roll out 3,000 aircraft, which is still 4,000 short of the 7,000 aircraft China needs.

Boeing's fate will depend on US's attitute towards China. And we are not expecting the relationships will get better in the next 10 years, thus Airbus will be gaining at the expense of Boeing if they play the game nicely.

And fo a simple reason that China is a huge market for airliners, COMAC will grow at rapid rates to become major global player after expanding their production facilities as decades pass.

Please do not pass the judgement of China airliner production based on ARJ-21. There is a big reason for such slow production becos ARJ-21 is not a plane that really China need in mass. ARJ-21 is just a stepping stone for China aviation industries. I am sure China can ramp up C919 fast if needed. Look at C919 project team being meet by president Xi and congratulated. Do ARJ-21 has such fanfair?

I am sure 150 planes per year is a very modest production rate mention by Chinese aviation expert.

 

[blain2]

Objectively speaking, COMAC's C919 production is not able to fullfill all of China's need for passenger jets in the next 20 years. China will need around 7,000 new passenger jets, therefore there is a fair share for COMAC, Airbus and Boeing.

However, how much Boeing will receive orders from China will depend on US's trade, foreign and military policies towards China.

AT present, China-US relationship is at the lowest since the Cold war, Boeing is a victim because of Trump and Biden. Boeing will lose the 737 class orders to Airbus but they still can expect good sales from 777 and 787 if Biden is not stupid enough to make China-US relationship worst.

At the most optimistic situation where COMAC can made an average of 150 C919 per year for the next 20 years, they could only roll out 3,000 aircraft, which is still 4,000 short of the 7,000 aircraft China needs.

Boeing's fate will depend on US's attitute towards China. And we are not expecting the relationships will get better in the next 10 years, thus Airbus will be gaining at the expense of Boeing if they play the game nicely.

And fo a simple reason that China is a huge market for airliners, COMAC will grow at rapid rates to become major global player after expanding their production facilities as decades pass.

Never burn your bridges. While it is good for China to have its own airliner, it should keep Boeing and Airbus orders going.
What I wonder about is the engine life on the C919. Here Chinese engines have to compete against GE and RR engines. How do the Chinese engines fare?

 

[lcloo]

Never burn your bridges. While it is good for China to have its own airliner, it should keep Boeing and Airbus orders going.
What I wonder about is the engine life on the C919. Here Chinese engines have to compete against GE and RR engines. How do the Chinese engines fare?

We don't know yet. At present C919s are equiped with Leap-C engine from CFM International. B737 and Airbus 320 are also using different variants of Leap engines (Leap-A and Leap-B). Therefore there won't be much difference in regard to engines of B737, airbus 320 and C919.

Development progress status of Chinese engine CJ-1000 might be revealled in next month's Zhuhai Airshow. We will know soon.

 

[ozranger]

Never burn your bridges. While it is good for China to have its own airliner, it should keep Boeing and Airbus orders going.
What I wonder about is the engine life on the C919. Here Chinese engines have to compete against GE and RR engines. How do the Chinese engines fare?

For ARJ21 and C919, CJ-500 and CJ-1000 are quite nearly there. That's why you can never see the US government threatens to sanction.

However, the US government imposed a swift sanction against Xian MA700. MA700 cannot sell well in domestic market as it cannot win the competition with the high speed rail. Therefore, from my point of view, the sanction actually killed the project as MA700 is developed for export market only and it requires a mature western engine to convince potential buyers.

 

[lcloo]

I tell u what. Sourgrape loser will still try to make C919 is such a failure project even it sold 1000 airliner.

The western media is only good at deluding themselves.


Please do not pass the judgement of China airliner production based on ARJ-21. There is a big reason for such slow production becos ARJ-21 is not a plane that really China need in mass. ARJ-21 is just a stepping stone for China aviation industries. I am sure China can ramp up C919 fast if needed. Look at C919 project team being meet by president Xi and congratulated. Do ARJ-21 has such fanfair?

I am sure 150 planes per year is a very modest production rate mention by Chinese aviation expert.

“十四五”期间（2021-2025年）中国商飞国产大飞机C919产量增长预测​

发布时间：2021-07-16　　来源：立鼎产业研究网

国产大飞机C919，该机订单超过1000架，将于今年交付并投入运营。目前C919已经取得中国民用航空器适航审定中心签发的型号检查核准书，进入适航取证的最后冲刺阶段。为了能够尽快交付给用户单位，C919的批量生产和运营准备工作正在有序进行，首批复合材料零件的生产线已开始全速运转。据C919制造总工程师姜丽萍介绍，C919的年产量可以达到100架，在C919正式量产后，将带动上下游产业的共同发展，培养出一大批优秀的航空技术人才，让中国制造在国际上的影响力进一步提升。

预计C919初期年产20架，2023年达到年产100架的能力，整个“十四五”期间共交付370架。

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Why need to hope? You think Chinese dont feel comfortable with C919 but prefer flying coffin Max? LOL..

Well considering the pitiful production of the Comac ARJ21 over the last 7 years I hope this becomes a success. I believe it still hadn't crossed a total production of 70 by mid 2022.

Edit: yep..just what i thought

https://simpleflying.com/comac-6-years-arj21-deliveries/

COMAC Celebrates 6 Years Of ARJ21 Deliveries​

Year	Number of Aircraft Delivered
2015	1
2016	1
2017	2
2018	6
2019	12
2020	23
2021	21
2022	2 (by June 29th)
Total	68

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[beijingwalker]

Well considering the pitiful production of the Comac ARJ21 over the last 7 years I hope this becomes a success.

Seriously, Did you really see how big and fast China's aviation technology and industry developed during the past decade?

 

[beijingwalker]

China's C919 water ingestion tests​