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Farmers in India have taken to the streets to protest reforms that they say are against their interests.

Several farming and trade unions, and opposition parties have blocked motorways and railway tracks in different states.
But much of the protest is concentrated in the states of Punjab and Haryana where farm yields are high.
The government denies that the reforms, which open the farming sector to private players, will hurt farmers.
The governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which proposed the three bills that contain the reforms, has defended them as necessary to increase farm incomes and productivity. While farmers in many states can already sell to private players, these bills offer a national framework.
Opposition parties and various farmers' groups, however, say they are "anti-farmer", and make them vulnerable to market forces. They have called for nation-wide demonstrations to oppose the reforms.
Nearly all farmers' unions in Punjab have called for a strike in the state, reports BBC Punjabi's Sarabjit Dhaliwal.
"Farmers here are sitting on railway tracks. Both men and women farmers have gathered in large numbers across the state," he said.

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image captionFarmers protesting in Vaishali district of Bihar state

Farmers in Punjab say they will continue to fight - with or without political support.
"We don't trust political leaders. It's our fight and we'll fight it on our own. We don't need them," farmer Jaswant Singh told BBC Punjabi.

Similar scenes have been reported from the neighbouring state of Haryana.

What are the reforms?
The reforms seek to loosen rules around sale, pricing and storage of farm produce - rules that have protected India's farmers from the free market for decades.

Harinder Singh Lakhowal, who is associated with the Punjab unit of the Bharatiya Kisan Union (Indian Farmers' Union), told BBC Hindi that protests would continue until the government rolls back the reforms.
"There will be no rail movement and no buses will run in Punjab. There will be traffic jams on all the highways. There will be 200-250 demonstrations all over Punjab," he said.

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image captionMarkets shut and empty streets in Punjab

Most Indian farmers currently sell the majority of their produce at government-controlled wholesale markets or mandis at an assured floor price known as the Minimum Support Price (MSP).
Farmers are worried that market forces will eventually dictate prices, and the government will withdraw the MSP, leaving farmers without a crucial bargaining chip.
The governing Bharatiya Janata Party has denied this, but farmers say there is no guarantee that it won't happen.

Where are the protests happening?

The strongest protests are in Punjab and Haryana where the mandi system is strong and the productivity is high - so only the government has been able to buy that volume of produce at a set price.
Protests are also taking place in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh. Dharmendra Singh, a farmer leader, told BBC Hindi that all districts in western Uttar Pradesh will see huge protests throughout Friday.

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image captionProtesters in Uttar Pradesh

Akhilesh Yadav, the state's former chief minister, told the BBC that the reforms have failed to assure farmers that the government has their best interest in mind.
"We need to strengthen the mandi system and modernise it - not weaken it," he said.
"Farmers heavily rely on governments for a fair price for their produce. Governments are required to step in and help farmers if prices go too low - now they are worried whether such government protection will exist or not in the future."

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image caption Protesters and police in Karnataka's Bangalore city

Karnataka state in the south too has seen demonstrations, some of which have led to arrests.
"Over 500 workers belonging to farmers' organisations, trade unions and political parties were arrested after a two-hour protest on Friday," reports BBC Hindi's Imran Qureshi

What is the government saying?

The BJP continues to defend the reforms. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who addressed the country on Friday, blamed rumours for the protests.
"All BJP karyakartas [workers] should reach out to farmers on the ground and inform them in simplified language about the importance and intricacies of the new farm reforms, and how these will empower them. Our efforts will bust the lies and rumours being spread in the virtual world," he said.

 
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They want 1 simple thing...

NO PURCHASE BELOW MINIMUM SUPPORT PRICE...

I don't think ot is bad...
 

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They want 1 simple thing...

NO PURCHASE BELOW MINIMUM SUPPORT PRICE...

I don't think ot is bad...
The issue is if FCI is not going to be in the Business of buying how can the government ensure that the private players buy at MSP?

If the MSP is higher, there is always a risk that private players may just not buy and farmers will get nothing.

If the MSP is lower, then the farmers will lose.

This is the reason why government wants it to be market driven instead of government playing around with the MSP.
 

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Farmers in India have taken to the streets to protest reforms that they say are against their interests.

Several farming and trade unions, and opposition parties have blocked motorways and railway tracks in different states.
But much of the protest is concentrated in the states of Punjab and Haryana where farm yields are high.
The government denies that the reforms, which open the farming sector to private players, will hurt farmers.
The governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which proposed the three bills that contain the reforms, has defended them as necessary to increase farm incomes and productivity. While farmers in many states can already sell to private players, these bills offer a national framework.
Opposition parties and various farmers' groups, however, say they are "anti-farmer", and make them vulnerable to market forces. They have called for nation-wide demonstrations to oppose the reforms.
Nearly all farmers' unions in Punjab have called for a strike in the state, reports BBC Punjabi's Sarabjit Dhaliwal.
"Farmers here are sitting on railway tracks. Both men and women farmers have gathered in large numbers across the state," he said.

image captionFarmers protesting in Vaishali district of Bihar state

Farmers in Punjab say they will continue to fight - with or without political support.
"We don't trust political leaders. It's our fight and we'll fight it on our own. We don't need them," farmer Jaswant Singh told BBC Punjabi.
Similar scenes have been reported from the neighbouring state of Haryana.

What are the reforms?
The reforms seek to loosen rules around sale, pricing and storage of farm produce - rules that have protected India's farmers from the free market for decades.
Harinder Singh Lakhowal, who is associated with the Punjab unit of the Bharatiya Kisan Union (Indian Farmers' Union), told BBC Hindi that protests would continue until the government rolls back the reforms.
"There will be no rail movement and no buses will run in Punjab. There will be traffic jams on all the highways. There will be 200-250 demonstrations all over Punjab," he said.

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image captionMarkets shut and empty streets in Punjab

Most Indian farmers currently sell the majority of their produce at government-controlled wholesale markets or mandis at an assured floor price known as the Minimum Support Price (MSP).
Farmers are worried that market forces will eventually dictate prices, and the government will withdraw the MSP, leaving farmers without a crucial bargaining chip.
The governing Bharatiya Janata Party has denied this, but farmers say there is no guarantee that it won't happen.

Where are the protests happening?

The strongest protests are in Punjab and Haryana where the mandi system is strong and the productivity is high - so only the government has been able to buy that volume of produce at a set price.
Protests are also taking place in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh. Dharmendra Singh, a farmer leader, told BBC Hindi that all districts in western Uttar Pradesh will see huge protests throughout Friday.

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image captionProtesters in Uttar Pradesh

Akhilesh Yadav, the state's former chief minister, told the BBC that the reforms have failed to assure farmers that the government has their best interest in mind.
"We need to strengthen the mandi system and modernise it - not weaken it," he said.
"Farmers heavily rely on governments for a fair price for their produce. Governments are required to step in and help farmers if prices go too low - now they are worried whether such government protection will exist or not in the future."

image captionProtesters and police in Karnataka's Bangalore city

Karnataka state in the south too has seen demonstrations, some of which have led to arrests.
"Over 500 workers belonging to farmers' organisations, trade unions and political parties were arrested after a two-hour protest on Friday," reports BBC Hindi's Imran Qureshi

What is the government saying?

The BJP continues to defend the reforms. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who addressed the country on Friday, blamed rumours for the protests.
"All BJP karyakartas [workers] should reach out to farmers on the ground and inform them in simplified language about the importance and intricacies of the new farm reforms, and how these will empower them. Our efforts will bust the lies and rumours being spread in the virtual world," he said.

India has a history of protests against any reforms that removes government control from business. In 90s when India signed GATT Duncle agreement (opening India's extremely controlled market to WTO), there were massive protests :

(this is from AP archive).

Needless to say, it didn't got too bad for India.

Indian exports zoomed in 2000s : https://tradingeconomics.com/india/exports , partly because of opening up of economy.

There were exactly protests like this : Farmer will lose control over seeds etc etc etc. There were burning of efigies of Aurthr Duncle.
 

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India has a history of protests against any reforms that removes government control from business. In 90s when India signed GATT Duncle agreement (opening India's extremely controlled market to WTO), there were massive protests :

(this is from AP archive).

Needless to say, it didn't got too bad for India.

Indian exports zoomed in 2000s : https://tradingeconomics.com/india/exports , partly because of opening up of economy.

There were exactly protests like this : Farmer will lose control over seeds etc etc etc. There were burning of efigies of Aurthr Duncle.
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precisely , nothing is gonna change as majority have wood mentality

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change can happen when non hindi speaking states get self autonomy or independence from central rule

 
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I am waiting for the day when Erdogan declare Islam on Turkey.

Pakistan will follow, & we 90%+ will join the Islamic Empire.

This will be final nail in the coffin for Modi, Boris, Xi, Trump, Macron etc.
a typical hyderabad dhakkan thinking
looking for saviors from outside..
i will ask the mods to have the nizam of hyderabad flag added to catalogue so you can use it instead..
 

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MSP does not guarantee purchase.

What they want is guaranteed purchase at MSP or higher.
I think we have a communicational disconnect...

Nobody want "Guaranteed Purchase" unless they opt for a contract with the private player...

The issue is if FCI is not going to be in the Business of buying how can the government ensure that the private players buy at MSP?

If the MSP is higher, there is always a risk that private players may just not buy and farmers will get nothing.

If the MSP is lower, then the farmers will lose.

This is the reason why government wants it to be market driven instead of government playing around with the MSP.
FCI is the bunch of corrupts... from top to bottom... they are the ones who keep stock in open during the rains so that it can be sold to DISTILLERIES at dirt cheap prices...
This farm bill is not required... and I'm very honest about it... can you tell me how FARMER'S INTERESTS are safeguarded in this bill... Nobody stops private players to buy from Farmer even before this bill...
It is just the hording license to private players... nobody can stop a farmer from HOLDING and HOARDING his farm products... except his financial condition... without this bill...

And yes, it is only because of farmers' trust on Modi and distrust on SCAMGRESS because of which this issue is not turning too violent... and COVID-19 is playing a very important role in stopping majority to join the protests...

If purchased... it should not be done on <MSP...

BJP needs to work on ground...
 

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India has a history of protests against any reforms that removes government control from business. In 90s when India signed GATT Duncle agreement (opening India's extremely controlled market to WTO), there were massive protests :

(this is from AP archive).

Needless to say, it didn't got too bad for India.

Indian exports zoomed in 2000s : https://tradingeconomics.com/india/exports , partly because of opening up of economy.

There were exactly protests like this : Farmer will lose control over seeds etc etc etc. There were burning of efigies of Aurthr Duncle.
and here comes the role of government and ruling parties... to make people understand the benefits of these bills on farm reform... and honestly speaking, currently the scamgress and its cabal is way ahead in spreading the disadvantages of these bills... and farmers are listening...

I really wanted to see a "MEANINGFULL DISCUSSION" in Indian parliament... BUT...
 

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precisely , nothing is gonna change as majority have wood mentality

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change can happen when non hindi speaking states get self autonomy or independence from central rule

GST, DEMONETIZATION... you wont understand the importance of these steps for HONEST BUSINESSMEN... 2019 elections stamped approval by voters...

If you feel that farmers are in very good condition right now... you don't know the ground reality...
 

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