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Even before the arrival of India, the comparison between Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder and Rafale aircraft has been vigorously debated by military experts. Even the EurAsian Times did an analysis on Rafale Jets vs JF-17s.


While comparing the two, BBC in its analysis has tried to compare the capabilities of the two fighter jets and has incorporated the views of Indian and Pakistan Air Force officials without making a judgement.

India added five of the total 36 french origin aircraft contracted, in its fleet last week. The five Rafale aircraft made a touchdown at the IAF’s Ambala airbase covering a distance of nearly 7,000 km from France.

Pakistan Used JF-17s To Counter Balakot Strike
India launched ‘surgical strikes’ in Balakot last year when Indian warplanes crossed the border and dropped bombs claiming to have destroyed terror infrastructure in Balakot, a claim vehemently rejected by Pakistan.


In retaliation, the very next day, Pakistan came dangerously close to attacking Indian military installations but refrained from provoking the Indians and dropped bombs nearby the facilities. However, the PAF managed to shoot-down a MiG-21 Bison in aerial combat besides capturing Indian Air Force (IAF) pilot Abhinandan Varthaman, who was handed over to India on March 1, 2019.

After this feat, Indian Prime Minister echoed the same sentiment as former IAF chief and said if India had Rafale planes, the outcome of the Balakot incident with Pakistan would have been very different.


Pakistan military denied the claim that US-made F-16 jets were involved in the attack. “The aircraft which engaged those targets and fought them were JF-17,” stated then Pakistan Army spokesman – Major General Asif Ghafoor.

“Proud to announce, I was project director for JF-17 Thunder program jointly produced by Pakistan and China during the tenure of General Pervez Musharraf,” told retired PAF Air Marshall Shahid Latif said at the time. “Today, same jets targeted and shot down Indian Jets which entered Pakistani Airspace,” he said soon after the attack last year.


Rafale Capabilities
According to BBC’s analysis, Indian defence analyst Maroof Raza stated that Rafale can be called a ‘force multiplier’ due to its stealth features. He added that its operational capacity is 65 to 70 per cent, while the Sukhoi fighter jet has an operational capacity of 50 per cent. “It can land in mountainous areas and small places, and it can land on aircraft carriers at sea”.


Rafale Jets

As reported earlier by EurAsian Times, the Dassault Rafale is a French twin-engine, canard-delta wing, multirole fighter aircraft equipped with a wide range of weapons, the Rafale is intended to perform air supremacy, interdiction, aerial reconnaissance, ground support, in-depth strike, anti-ship strike and nuclear deterrence missions.

“Pakistan would not have responded on February 27 last year to the Balakot air strikes if India had the French-manufactured jets then,” former Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal (retd) BS Dhanoa said in reference to the retaliation carried out by Pakistani Air Force (PAF), a day after the Balakot strike.


JF-17 Capabilities
The ability to build this aircraft was acquired with the help of China. As per EurAsian Times report, the latest, powered-up version of the JF-17 fighter jet reportedly features technologies from China’s high-end J-20 fighter jet that will immensely boost its combat efficiency.

The JF-17 aircraft is installed with many commercial off-the-shelf technologies from the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China. It includes a new and larger holographic wide-angle head-up display and integrated cockpit display comparable to the one used by the J-20, in addition to an advanced infrared missile approach warning system used by J-20 fighter jets.


The report emphasises that since Pakistan manufactures the JF-17 itself, it already possesses facilities like upgradation and overhauling and hence won’t have to depend on any other country to ensure the development stages of this aircraft. In contrast, India would require the support of France for all such activities.

Is India Reluctant To Recognise JF-17’s Lead?
Speaking to BBC, Retired Air Vice Marshal of Pakistan Air Force – Shahzad Chaudhary made a comparison between Rafale and JF-17. He said that every aircraft is designed to achieve its goals and it is not correct to compare it in terms of speed, volume or any other aspect. “It’s like you start comparing cars and dumpers to see what is being used for what purpose,” he added.


According to Chaudhry, “JF-17 is the best option in terms of our goals. Indian planes were good even when Pakistan shot down an Indian plane (Mig-21) and India’s front line, co-called best jets like the SU-30 MKIs could not do anything.

Earlier, Pakistani experts had taken a dig at the Russian origin jets and stated – what really bothered the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to shoot-down an Indian jet (Mig-21 Bison) from a very long range without giving any change to the Indian jets. Indian jets which were targetted included India’s front line Sukhoi-30 MKIs which only managed to somehow evade the AMRAAMs and were never able to hit back.


Former Air Marshal (retd) Shahid Latif told the BBC that Pakistan has acquired the capability to build as many aircraft as it wants as these jets as developed locally. Shahid Latif says that more than 100 JF-17s have been prepared and handed over to the Air Force and India would need to look-to France for almost anything and everything.

Latif also stated that the JF-17s are capable of almost everything that Rafale is. According to Latif, if Rafale is a fourth-generation jet, then JF-17s have the capability to be upgraded 4.5 generation jets.
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I my personal opinion the comparison between rafale and JF-17 is like apple iPhone and Android smartphone.
iPhone is way more expensive and way less flexible when it comes to apps and software upgrades though it represents a perceived customer value,Android on the other hand is cheap, flexible and ungrade able.In simple words Android can do more tasks than iPhone in a cost effective manner.
Rafale is not ungrade able like JF-17 and good luck to indians for paying extremely high maintenance fee and expensive spare parts to the French.
Missile range wise JF-17 surpass rafale.
 

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PAF has entered a virtuous circle.PAF can inform the pilots of the technology used in the construction and at the same time inform the engineers of the pilot's experience.They can modify JFT to suit their needs and make plans for the future.PAF can choose technologies beyond the scope of the arms market.

And exercise with China to understand how to fight with a complete system of military. This is India’s development goal, but it may take 20 years or more to reach it.
 

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It would be unfair to compare JF with the likes of Rafale but it is still quite flattering.

A few years before, JF was termed as a puppy and paled in comparison to the MKIs, now, the MKIs arent even in the picture. It's being compared to Modi's deities. Well played PAF, well played.
 

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It would be unfair to compare JF with the likes of Rafale but it is still quite flattering.

A few years before, JF was termed as a puppy and paled in comparison to the MKIs, now, the MKIs arent even in the picture. It's being compared to Modi's deities. Well played PAF, well played.

Thanks to Indians for the so called Surgical Strike and the whole fiasco on 27 Feb, our Thunder is widely recognized around the globe as a potent and mature fighting machine.

Now high time to convert this free PR into sales and make some $$$.
 

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Even before the arrival of India, the comparison between Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder and Rafale aircraft has been vigorously debated by military experts. Even the EurAsian Times did an analysis on Rafale Jets vs JF-17s.


While comparing the two, BBC in its analysis has tried to compare the capabilities of the two fighter jets and has incorporated the views of Indian and Pakistan Air Force officials without making a judgement.

India added five of the total 36 french origin aircraft contracted, in its fleet last week. The five Rafale aircraft made a touchdown at the IAF’s Ambala airbase covering a distance of nearly 7,000 km from France.

Pakistan Used JF-17s To Counter Balakot Strike
India launched ‘surgical strikes’ in Balakot last year when Indian warplanes crossed the border and dropped bombs claiming to have destroyed terror infrastructure in Balakot, a claim vehemently rejected by Pakistan.


In retaliation, the very next day, Pakistan came dangerously close to attacking Indian military installations but refrained from provoking the Indians and dropped bombs nearby the facilities. However, the PAF managed to shoot-down a MiG-21 Bison in aerial combat besides capturing Indian Air Force (IAF) pilot Abhinandan Varthaman, who was handed over to India on March 1, 2019.

After this feat, Indian Prime Minister echoed the same sentiment as former IAF chief and said if India had Rafale planes, the outcome of the Balakot incident with Pakistan would have been very different.


Pakistan military denied the claim that US-made F-16 jets were involved in the attack. “The aircraft which engaged those targets and fought them were JF-17,” stated then Pakistan Army spokesman – Major General Asif Ghafoor.

“Proud to announce, I was project director for JF-17 Thunder program jointly produced by Pakistan and China during the tenure of General Pervez Musharraf,” told retired PAF Air Marshall Shahid Latif said at the time. “Today, same jets targeted and shot down Indian Jets which entered Pakistani Airspace,” he said soon after the attack last year.


Rafale Capabilities
According to BBC’s analysis, Indian defence analyst Maroof Raza stated that Rafale can be called a ‘force multiplier’ due to its stealth features. He added that its operational capacity is 65 to 70 per cent, while the Sukhoi fighter jet has an operational capacity of 50 per cent. “It can land in mountainous areas and small places, and it can land on aircraft carriers at sea”.


Rafale Jets

As reported earlier by EurAsian Times, the Dassault Rafale is a French twin-engine, canard-delta wing, multirole fighter aircraft equipped with a wide range of weapons, the Rafale is intended to perform air supremacy, interdiction, aerial reconnaissance, ground support, in-depth strike, anti-ship strike and nuclear deterrence missions.

“Pakistan would not have responded on February 27 last year to the Balakot air strikes if India had the French-manufactured jets then,” former Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal (retd) BS Dhanoa said in reference to the retaliation carried out by Pakistani Air Force (PAF), a day after the Balakot strike.


JF-17 Capabilities
The ability to build this aircraft was acquired with the help of China. As per EurAsian Times report, the latest, powered-up version of the JF-17 fighter jet reportedly features technologies from China’s high-end J-20 fighter jet that will immensely boost its combat efficiency.

The JF-17 aircraft is installed with many commercial off-the-shelf technologies from the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China. It includes a new and larger holographic wide-angle head-up display and integrated cockpit display comparable to the one used by the J-20, in addition to an advanced infrared missile approach warning system used by J-20 fighter jets.


The report emphasises that since Pakistan manufactures the JF-17 itself, it already possesses facilities like upgradation and overhauling and hence won’t have to depend on any other country to ensure the development stages of this aircraft. In contrast, India would require the support of France for all such activities.

Is India Reluctant To Recognise JF-17’s Lead?
Speaking to BBC, Retired Air Vice Marshal of Pakistan Air Force – Shahzad Chaudhary made a comparison between Rafale and JF-17. He said that every aircraft is designed to achieve its goals and it is not correct to compare it in terms of speed, volume or any other aspect. “It’s like you start comparing cars and dumpers to see what is being used for what purpose,” he added.


According to Chaudhry, “JF-17 is the best option in terms of our goals. Indian planes were good even when Pakistan shot down an Indian plane (Mig-21) and India’s front line, co-called best jets like the SU-30 MKIs could not do anything.

Earlier, Pakistani experts had taken a dig at the Russian origin jets and stated – what really bothered the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to shoot-down an Indian jet (Mig-21 Bison) from a very long range without giving any change to the Indian jets. Indian jets which were targetted included India’s front line Sukhoi-30 MKIs which only managed to somehow evade the AMRAAMs and were never able to hit back.


Former Air Marshal (retd) Shahid Latif told the BBC that Pakistan has acquired the capability to build as many aircraft as it wants as these jets as developed locally. Shahid Latif says that more than 100 JF-17s have been prepared and handed over to the Air Force and India would need to look-to France for almost anything and everything.

Latif also stated that the JF-17s are capable of almost everything that Rafale is. According to Latif, if Rafale is a fourth-generation jet, then JF-17s have the capability to be upgraded 4.5 generation jets.
https://eurasiantimes.com/bbc-compa...e-jets-poor-su-30-mkis-becomes-the-scapegoat/
Say anything,
But JF-17 is the pride of our nation !!!
 

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“Pakistan would not have responded on February 27 last year to the Balakot air strikes if India had the French-manufactured jets then,” former Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal (retd) BS Dhanoa said in reference to the retaliation carried out by Pakistani Air Force (PAF)
And this guy was IAF Chief back then. I mean even the youth will ask that if you knew being a Chief, why did you cross the line in first place? But no, it was that propagated Asian Raptor to protect IAF on that day instead, Indian AD even deceived and shot down an IAF Heli which didn't need Rafale to recognize Friend or Foe.


Earlier, Pakistani experts had taken a dig at the Russian origin jets and stated
Russian Origin was necessary to mention so that India can feel a bit of relief and so those anti Russian parties even though, there's no such dig by any expert. Those were IAF jets and that settled the matter on that day.
 

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Thanks to Indians for the so called Surgical Strike and the whole fiasco on 27 Feb, our Thunder is widely recognized around the globe as a potent and mature fighting machine.

Now high time to convert this free PR into sales and make some $$$.
Exactly. It doesn't even matter if the kills were credited to the 16s or 17s. The ISPR played it amazingly well. The whole surgical strike just ended up being a reality tv peak hour advertisement for the 17s.
 

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We need to calm down on this "JF-17 can be upgraded forever" rhetoric. Let's never get carried away with what we've been able to achieve with the JFT (with massive Chinese aid and dependence). What we've achieved, Alhumdulillah. But never get carried away.

We need to understand that JFT can be 'upgraded' in so far as its EW capabilities are concerned. And EW upgrades are the only ones that matter for the near and distant future.

In terms of what the JFT can get in terms of EW upgrades, there are big 'ifs' and big dependences. We dont have any considerable R&D and resources in Pakistan that will allow us to make inroads in terms of EW capabilities (and then integrate our developed products in JFT). We solely depend on China that is actually lagging behind the west in EW R&D and capabilities. And the products the west is developing are landing into Indian hands through platforms like Rafale. (Not considering Russia in the west).

Nations like India & Pakistan that failed to invest in education and human resource will keep on depending on the west (or China) for decades to come. So there's little practicality to this idea of 'we can upgrade whatever we want, because JFT is our own plane'.
 

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