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Battle of Lepanto. Guns vs Arrows. Europe vs Asia.

Tai Hai Chen

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turks were predominantly armed with cannons and guns though

if you want an actual battle that proved the effectiveness of gunpowder over traditional archery that would be the battle of chaldiran:

But they did not understand physics the way Europeans did (thanks Galileo). Europeans used ballistics and hit pretty much every time. Turks either shot up into the sky or shot straight missing targets. Also European guns were far more accurate due to machinery (thanks Gutenberg).
 

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This was a combined much larger Europeon fleet. Not long before this Ottomans defeated a massive fleet at Preveza. Also this loss didn't stop much as Ottomans still managed to go all the way to the French coast etc.
 

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But they did not understand physics the way Europeans did (thanks Galileo). Europeans used ballistics and hit pretty much every time. Turks either shot up into the sky or shot straight missing targets. Also European guns were far more accurate due to machinery (thanks Gutenberg).
Also the innovative ship building industry of Venice
This was a combined much larger Europeon fleet. Not long before this Ottomans defeated a massive fleet at Preveza. Also this loss didn't stop much as Ottomans still managed to go all the way to the French coast etc.
Is it true that this loss was primary reason Ottomans could colonize americas like other European powers? I read it somewhere don't know if it's correct.
 

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But they did not understand physics the way Europeans did (thanks Galileo). Europeans used ballistics and hit pretty much every time. Turks either shot up into the sky or shot straight missing targets. Also European guns were far more accurate due to machinery (thanks Gutenberg).
Ottoman use of firearms in mass was before Europeans. Firearms and gunpowder moved from east to west and Ottomans were one of the most prominent users and first adopters
 

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Also the innovative ship building industry of Venice

Is it true that this loss was primary reason Ottomans could colonize americas like other European powers? I read it somewhere don't know if it's correct.
No, not really. Americas were not known and Ottomans controlled the most important links and routes in the world. Navy in Indian ocean, Persian gulf, Mediterranean, Black Sea and complete control in most of these except Indian ocean where they had many battles with Portuguese.

Going to americas or through other routes was a complete gamble for Europe. Today its like investing all your money in a crypto currency that you have no idea will be adopted worldwide or investing it in gold which has gone up nearly continuously.
 

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Ottoman use of firearms in mass was before Europeans. Firearms and gunpowder moved from east to west and Ottomans were one of the most prominent users and first adopters
Gunpowder was brought to Europe from China by the Mongols before ottomans existed
 

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Gunpowder was brought to Europe from China by the Mongols before ottomans existed
That is what I'm talking about... It came from east to west. East being China. It was used by Mongols, Timurids, Chinese etc, however, Ottomans were one of the first to use it widely in great numbers and in great effect. I never said Ottomans brought it...
 

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Gunpowder was brought to Europe from China by the Mongols before ottomans existed
Ever heard of the term "3 Gunpowder Empires"?

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Chinese invention, like some others, put to best use by Muslims. :lol:

The OP is just butthurt against Turkey and is happy about the Battle of Lepanto.
But they did not understand physics the way Europeans did (thanks Galileo). Europeans used ballistics and hit pretty much every time. Turks either shot up into the sky or shot straight missing targets. Also European guns were far more accurate due to machinery (thanks Gutenberg).
Galileo was 7 years old at the time of the battle of Lepanto. You don't know what you're talking about as witnessed in this and many other threads.

Physics has existed since man started using the wheel. Chinese invented the gunpowder but someone else discovered how to kill someone with it rather than use it for fireworks.
But they did not understand physics the way Europeans did (thanks Galileo). Europeans used ballistics and hit pretty much every time. Turks either shot up into the sky or shot straight missing targets. Also European guns were far more accurate due to machinery (thanks Gutenberg).
If not for the cultural & informational exchange with the Muslims of Spain there would not have been any Galileo. I know it's hard to accept but it's reality.
 
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