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Where is proof kid? Where is it?
Its just an excuse which was done by india to save its face from this bitter defeat Thats all now to keep the moral of its nation high it twists the facts n make it in its favor.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/244167-disclosing-kargil-casualties-would-affect-morale-troops-cic.html

This is what u actually r known for doing so there is no credibility of yr claims.

And in the battle of Chawinda yr forces were forced to retreat n ceasefire happened after that n it was a decisive victory of pakistan!!!!!!!!!

Read the thread title Conclusion and then notes title for references.

This article was published in defense journal in 1997-98!!!!!!

Kiddo that why i say u to read it first then come back.
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It was a good read. I think Nawaz might have meant the second largest tank battle that India and Pakistan engaged in, typo mistakes are common. As a student of history it would be an immense pleasure to write up the narrative of the major battles that Pakistan and India have engaged in.

I met a gentleman from India who was a Major at the time of the 1965 war and Colonel in the 1971 war and Yahya Khan's family who also served as soldiers (some). It is so ironic that these warriors speak so respectfully of each other and we make use their battles to mock or belittle each other.
 

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Where is proof kid? Where is it?
Its just an excuse which was done by india to save its face from this bitter defeat Thats all now to keep the moral of its nation high it twists the facts n make it in its favor.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/244167-disclosing-kargil-casualties-would-affect-morale-troops-cic.html

This is what u actually r known for doing so there is no credibility of yr claims.

And in the battle of Chawinda yr forces were forced to retreat n ceasefire happened after that n it was a decisive victory of pakistan!!!!!!!!!

Read the thread title Conclusion and then notes title for references.

This article was published in defense journal in 1997-98!!!!!!

Kiddo that why i say u to read it first then come back.
Bitter defeat? Do you even know the meaning of this word? Where did Indian troops retreat? Where did they surrender in this battle? Why where they still standing on Pak soil in the end of the day? This blog article is merely a desperate attempt to save face infront of internet warriors and fanboys.

Ok believe whatever you want. Its pointless to argue with people like you. Everything is conspiracy by evil Hindu RAW or Jewish Mossad, you are invincible, you could have conquered the world without bakstabbing people among your ranks OBL was a fake etc etc blah blah blah :pakistan:....

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It was a good read. I think Nawaz might have meant the second largest tank battle that India and Pakistan engaged in, typo mistakes are common. As a student of history it would be an immense pleasure to write up the narrative of the major battles that Pakistan and India have engaged in.

I met a gentleman from India who was a Major at the time of the 1965 war and Colonel in the 1971 war and Yahya Khan's family who also served as soldiers (some). It is so ironic that these warriors speak so respectfully of each other and we make use their battles to mock or belittle each other
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Thats truly something special. Some officers were even writing letters to each other congratulating each other. Maybe its because many 65 and 71 officers had the same British military backround and served with each other?
 

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Bitter defeat? Do you even know the meaning of this word? Where did Indian troops retreat? Where did they surrender in this battle? Why where they still standing on Pak soil in the end of the day? This blog article is merely a desperate attempt to save face infront of internet warriors and fanboys.

Ok believe whatever you want. Its pointless to argue with people like you. Everything is conspiracy by evil Hindu RAW or Jewish Mossad, you are invincible, you could have conquered the world without bakstabbing people among your ranks OBL was a fake etc etc blah blah blah :pakistan:....

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Keep dreaming, I wont wake you up again ;)



Thats truly something special. Some officers were even writing letters to each other congratulating each other. Maybe its because many 65 and 71 officers had the same British military backround and served with each other?
Yes, that could be a factor and perhaps another one could be the 'warrior spirit' as seen in the combat cultures (be it sports or military) that after the immediate hostilities are over the two warriors see each other in respect as they have pushed each other to the limit (seen in boxing, MMA, post-WWII). Be it Pakistan or India or any other nation, we cannot deny that being a soldier is not anyone's cup of tea and we should be respectful to their courage whether they were our adversaries or our defenders.
 

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Bitter defeat? Do you even know the meaning of this word? Where did Indian troops retreat? Where did they surrender in this battle? Why where they still standing on Pak soil in the end of the day? This blog article is merely a desperate attempt to save face infront of internet warriors and fanboys.

Ok believe whatever you want. Its pointless to argue with people like you. Everything is conspiracy by evil Hindu RAW or Jewish Mossad, you are invincible, you could have conquered the world without bakstabbing people among your ranks OBL was a fake etc etc blah blah blah :pakistan:....

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Thats truly something special. Some officers were even writing letters to each other congratulating each other. Maybe its because many 65 and 71 officers had the same British military backround and served with each other?
Dude like i said read the thread if u can then yr denial dont count.
this article was published in defense journal in 97-98 n is written after a very long and comprehensive study.

Thats why i said read the conclusion n note heading!!!!!!


Like its said u cant expect a caveman to drive a car specially when he refuses to learn.

It was a good read. I think Nawaz might have meant the second largest tank battle that India and Pakistan engaged in, typo mistakes are common. As a student of history it would be an immense pleasure to write up the narrative of the major battles that Pakistan and India have engaged in.

I met a gentleman from India who was a Major at the time of the 1965 war and Colonel in the 1971 war and Yahya Khan's family who also served as soldiers (some). It is so ironic that these warriors speak so respectfully of each other and we make use their battles to mock or belittle each other.
I keep my words n i meant second largest tank battle on the human history.

Even neutral sources acknowledged this fact.

http://www.militaryeducation.org/10-most-epic-tank-battles-in-military-history/

And use google for more.
 

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To my fellow Pakistanis, please stop embarrassing yourselves by making such absurd and ignorant claims.

Battle of Chawinda was not the second largest Tank Battle.


10 Most Epic Tank Battles in Military History
January 3, 2012 By Ryan


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The tank is one of the most devastating and adaptable weapons available to an army’s command. Since their initial conception in the early 1900s and first use by the French and British during World War One, the tank has been a constant and powerful symbol of modern warfare. Throughout the 20th century, it has been one of the most potent tools available for an army to call upon and it has seen intense and devastating action. From the late World War Two mayhem of the Battle of the Bulge — which saw over 3,000 tanks take part in fighting — to the 1981 Battle of Dezful between Iran and Iraq, the tank has played a major part in offensives around the world. Join us as we take a look at the 10 most epic tank battles in military history.

10. Battle of Cambrai, 20 November – 8 December 1917


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World War One’s Battle of Cambrai, fought between the British and the Germans, took place towards the end of 1917 and is often mistakenly called the first tank battle in history. In fact, the distinction of having taken part in the first ever tank battle goes to the French army, who deployed tanks earlier in 1917, as did the British at the Third Battle of Ypres. Cambrai did, however, see a larger number of tanks deployed than ever before. The British plan of attack was to use their tanks to strike at the heart of the German Hindenburg Line. This formidable defense was previously viewed as impenetrable, until a commander named Henry Hugh Tudor suggested using tanks to support the troops attempting to break through the line. Around 476 tanks were used and both sides lost around 45,000 men. The final result of the battle was an operational stalemate.

9. Second Battle of El Alamein, 23 October – 11 November 1942


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With over 1,000 Allied tanks lining up against their 547 Axis counterparts, World War Two’s Second Battle of El Alamein saw the Germans effectively lose their battle for possession of Egypt and the much-prized Suez Canal. After the First Battle of El Alamein had halted the Axis advance into Egypt, the second battle effectively turned the course of the North African Campaign in the Allied forces’ favor. Tanks played a huge part in the battle, with the Allied forces receiving Sherman Tanks courtesy of the Americans. This bolstered their forces and made it possible for them to continue with the conflict longer than the Germans, whose own forces were more concentrated on the Eastern Front.

8. Battle of Raseiniai, 23 – 27 June 1941


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The major tank battle of Raseiniai, in World War Two, saw virtually a complete destruction of the Soviet Union’s deployed mechanized units on the Northwestern Front. Consisting of 749 tanks, versus the Germans’ 245, the Soviet tanks — which were technically superior to their German counterparts — were systematically outmanoeuvred and overpowered. The Germans were helped in no small part by their air force, the Luftwaffe, which made life particularly difficult for the Soviet command. A major battle of Operation Barbarossa (a.k.a. the German invasion of the USSR), the Battle of Raseiniai left the German army in a state of supreme confidence and with no doubt of the tank’s importance in the war.

7. Battle of the Valley of Tears, 6 – 9 October 1973


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The Yom Kippur War — fought between Israel and an Arab coalition led by Egypt and Syria — saw the Arabs break a ceasefire that had lasted since the Six-Day War of 1967 and march into Israeli territory. Tanks were central to the surprise attack, known as the Valley of Tears, which occurred on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism. The number of Syrian tanks has been estimated at around 1,260, with the Israelis having command of around 100. Various reasons have been given for the Israelis overturning such a massive disadvantage in tank numbers — from the superiority of their air force to the threat of their using nuclear weaponry.

6. Battle of Brody, 23 – 30 June 1941


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The Battle of Brody, which has been called “the largest tank battle of World War II until the Battle of Kursk two years later,” saw 800 Axis tanks line up against 2,500 of their Russian opposite numbers. The German victory was partly due to their air force, the Luftwaffe, flying over the Polish war fields, destroying up to 201 Soviet tanks. However, the tank battle was incredibly fierce, with the German forces finding that the new Soviet T-34 tanks were virtually impervious to their firepower. It was mainly due to the Red Army’s supply chain drying up that the Germans were allowed to continue their offensive and press home their advantage.

5. Battle of Hannut, 12 – 14 May 1940


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The Battle of Hannut took place in Belgium, fought between the French army and Nazi German invaders. At the time, it was the largest tank conflict of the Second World War. Involving up to 674 German tanks (although some sources put the figure at 618) and 600 French and Dutch armored fighting vehicles, the battle was part of the German thrust through the Ardennes region. While it could be said that the Germans successfully tied down the Allied forces at Hannut, there was no conclusive outcome. The French army, although severely weakened, were able to fight on for some time longer.

4. Operation Goodwood, 18 – 20 July 1944


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Operation Goodwood, a British attack on German forces near the northern French city of Caen, has been called, by at least one historian, “the largest tank battle the British Army has ever fought.” Over 1,100 British tanks took part, with some authorities giving a figure as high as 1,300. Battling against 377 German tanks, the British had as their objective gaining control of Caen, from which they could then liberate the rest of the occupied country. Not all went as planned for the British, however, with the Germans preventing a complete breakthrough. The British advanced a further seven miles to the east of the city. The force of the attack, although by no means conclusive, confirmed the Germans’ fears that the British and Canadian forces on the eastern side of the Allied battle zone were their most dangerous enemies.

3. Battle of 73 Easting, 26 – 27 February 1991


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A decisive victory for the American and British forces in their Desert Storm operation in Iraq, the Battle of 73 Easting refers to the conflict that took place on the north-south line of coordinates on the military map. In a truly devastating show of strength from the Coalition, the Iraqi forces were overwhelmed and overcome. The main part of the battle involved the US 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which attacked and completely destroyed the Iraqi 18th Mechanized Brigade and 37th Armored Brigade. During the battle — one of the most studied in modern history — the Iraqis lost over 160 tanks to the American and British forces.

2. Battle of Chawinda, 17 – 22 September 1965


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The battle of Chawinda, which was part of the Indo-Pakistani war of 1965, has been called one of the largest tank battles since World War Two’s Battle of Kursk. The forces were fairly evenly matched, with the Indian Army commanding 225 tanks and the Pakistani Army controlling 282 tanks (including reinforcements). The Indian aim of the attack was to seize control of the Sialkot-Pasrur railway, thereby cutting off Pakistan’s route to important supplies. Things did not, however, go the Indians’ way, with the Pakistanis receiving reinforcements from Kashmir that vastly improved their situation.

1. Battle of Prokhorovka (part of Battle of Kursk) 12 July 1943


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Known as the largest tank battle in military history, the Battle of Prokhorovka saw 800-850 tanks of the Soviet army line up against the significantly smaller force of the Germans. Russian sources put the German number of tanks between 500 and 700. Although figures from German sources are not available, the real number is likely to have been far less, with 294 German tanks having been listed as available the day before the battle. After fierce and intense fighting, resulting in many dead and wounded, the outcome of the battle was not immediately clear. The Russians claimed a propaganda victory, particularly due to the fact that Hitler had been forced to call off the attack on the Kursk salient. Clearly, the Soviets were far from finished as a force in the war and the tide was beginning to turn away from the Germans.


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10 Most Epic Tank Battles in Military History
January 3, 2012 By Ryan


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The tank is one of the most devastating and adaptable weapons available to an army’s command. Since their initial conception in the early 1900s and first use by the French and British during World War One, the tank has been a constant and powerful symbol of modern warfare. Throughout the 20th century, it has been one of the most potent tools available for an army to call upon and it has seen intense and devastating action. From the late World War Two mayhem of the Battle of the Bulge — which saw over 3,000 tanks take part in fighting — to the 1981 Battle of Dezful between Iran and Iraq, the tank has played a major part in offensives around the world. Join us as we take a look at the 10 most epic tank battles in military history.

10. Battle of Cambrai, 20 November – 8 December 1917


Image Source

World War One’s Battle of Cambrai, fought between the British and the Germans, took place towards the end of 1917 and is often mistakenly called the first tank battle in history. In fact, the distinction of having taken part in the first ever tank battle goes to the French army, who deployed tanks earlier in 1917, as did the British at the Third Battle of Ypres. Cambrai did, however, see a larger number of tanks deployed than ever before. The British plan of attack was to use their tanks to strike at the heart of the German Hindenburg Line. This formidable defense was previously viewed as impenetrable, until a commander named Henry Hugh Tudor suggested using tanks to support the troops attempting to break through the line. Around 476 tanks were used and both sides lost around 45,000 men. The final result of the battle was an operational stalemate.

9. Second Battle of El Alamein, 23 October – 11 November 1942


Image Source

With over 1,000 Allied tanks lining up against their 547 Axis counterparts, World War Two’s Second Battle of El Alamein saw the Germans effectively lose their battle for possession of Egypt and the much-prized Suez Canal. After the First Battle of El Alamein had halted the Axis advance into Egypt, the second battle effectively turned the course of the North African Campaign in the Allied forces’ favor. Tanks played a huge part in the battle, with the Allied forces receiving Sherman Tanks courtesy of the Americans. This bolstered their forces and made it possible for them to continue with the conflict longer than the Germans, whose own forces were more concentrated on the Eastern Front.

8. Battle of Raseiniai, 23 – 27 June 1941


Image Source

The major tank battle of Raseiniai, in World War Two, saw virtually a complete destruction of the Soviet Union’s deployed mechanized units on the Northwestern Front. Consisting of 749 tanks, versus the Germans’ 245, the Soviet tanks — which were technically superior to their German counterparts — were systematically outmanoeuvred and overpowered. The Germans were helped in no small part by their air force, the Luftwaffe, which made life particularly difficult for the Soviet command. A major battle of Operation Barbarossa (a.k.a. the German invasion of the USSR), the Battle of Raseiniai left the German army in a state of supreme confidence and with no doubt of the tank’s importance in the war.

7. Battle of the Valley of Tears, 6 – 9 October 1973


Image Source

The Yom Kippur War — fought between Israel and an Arab coalition led by Egypt and Syria — saw the Arabs break a ceasefire that had lasted since the Six-Day War of 1967 and march into Israeli territory. Tanks were central to the surprise attack, known as the Valley of Tears, which occurred on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism. The number of Syrian tanks has been estimated at around 1,260, with the Israelis having command of around 100. Various reasons have been given for the Israelis overturning such a massive disadvantage in tank numbers — from the superiority of their air force to the threat of their using nuclear weaponry.

6. Battle of Brody, 23 – 30 June 1941


Image Source

The Battle of Brody, which has been called “the largest tank battle of World War II until the Battle of Kursk two years later,” saw 800 Axis tanks line up against 2,500 of their Russian opposite numbers. The German victory was partly due to their air force, the Luftwaffe, flying over the Polish war fields, destroying up to 201 Soviet tanks. However, the tank battle was incredibly fierce, with the German forces finding that the new Soviet T-34 tanks were virtually impervious to their firepower. It was mainly due to the Red Army’s supply chain drying up that the Germans were allowed to continue their offensive and press home their advantage.

5. Battle of Hannut, 12 – 14 May 1940


Image Source

The Battle of Hannut took place in Belgium, fought between the French army and Nazi German invaders. At the time, it was the largest tank conflict of the Second World War. Involving up to 674 German tanks (although some sources put the figure at 618) and 600 French and Dutch armored fighting vehicles, the battle was part of the German thrust through the Ardennes region. While it could be said that the Germans successfully tied down the Allied forces at Hannut, there was no conclusive outcome. The French army, although severely weakened, were able to fight on for some time longer.

4. Operation Goodwood, 18 – 20 July 1944


Image Source

Operation Goodwood, a British attack on German forces near the northern French city of Caen, has been called, by at least one historian, “the largest tank battle the British Army has ever fought.” Over 1,100 British tanks took part, with some authorities giving a figure as high as 1,300. Battling against 377 German tanks, the British had as their objective gaining control of Caen, from which they could then liberate the rest of the occupied country. Not all went as planned for the British, however, with the Germans preventing a complete breakthrough. The British advanced a further seven miles to the east of the city. The force of the attack, although by no means conclusive, confirmed the Germans’ fears that the British and Canadian forces on the eastern side of the Allied battle zone were their most dangerous enemies.

3. Battle of 73 Easting, 26 – 27 February 1991


Image Source

A decisive victory for the American and British forces in their Desert Storm operation in Iraq, the Battle of 73 Easting refers to the conflict that took place on the north-south line of coordinates on the military map. In a truly devastating show of strength from the Coalition, the Iraqi forces were overwhelmed and overcome. The main part of the battle involved the US 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which attacked and completely destroyed the Iraqi 18th Mechanized Brigade and 37th Armored Brigade. During the battle — one of the most studied in modern history — the Iraqis lost over 160 tanks to the American and British forces.

2. Battle of Chawinda, 17 – 22 September 1965


Image Source

The battle of Chawinda, which was part of the Indo-Pakistani war of 1965, has been called one of the largest tank battles since World War Two’s Battle of Kursk. The forces were fairly evenly matched, with the Indian Army commanding 225 tanks and the Pakistani Army controlling 282 tanks (including reinforcements). The Indian aim of the attack was to seize control of the Sialkot-Pasrur railway, thereby cutting off Pakistan’s route to important supplies. Things did not, however, go the Indians’ way, with the Pakistanis receiving reinforcements from Kashmir that vastly improved their situation.

1. Battle of Prokhorovka (part of Battle of Kursk) 12 July 1943


Image Source

Known as the largest tank battle in military history, the Battle of Prokhorovka saw 800-850 tanks of the Soviet army line up against the significantly smaller force of the Germans. Russian sources put the German number of tanks between 500 and 700. Although figures from German sources are not available, the real number is likely to have been far less, with 294 German tanks having been listed as available the day before the battle. After fierce and intense fighting, resulting in many dead and wounded, the outcome of the battle was not immediately clear. The Russians claimed a propaganda victory, particularly due to the fact that Hitler had been forced to call off the attack on the Kursk salient. Clearly, the Soviets were far from finished as a force in the war and the tide was beginning to turn away from the Germans.


Source:Copyright © 2013 · Military Education


@Desert Fox is right.

And this source is utter BS!!!!

Its just a some fanboy article based on his "knowledge". There are no sources and we dont even get to know anything about the writers backround. This military education page is pure fanboy stuff and not serious historical work.

Besides, this ranking you posted does not say that it was the 2end largest tank battle. Anyone with at least some form of knowledge about military history knows that.

The 2end battle of El Alamein alone included +1000 tanks on the Brits side. :hitwall:

So please dont embarrass yourself b posting those nonsense facts.

Like I said earlier, all Indo Pak wars are more like ant wars, compared to WW2.

Why do these online fanboys from both countries constantly compare this small engagements to WW2?
 
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@Desert Fox is right.

And this source is utter BS!!!!

Its just a some fanboy article based on his "knowledge". There are no sources and we dont even get to know anything about the writers backround. This military education page is pure fanboy stuff and not serious historical work.

Besides, this ranking you posted does not say that it was the 2end largest tank battle. Anyone with at least some form of knowledge about military history knows that.

The 2end battle of El Alamein alone included +1000 tanks on the Brits side. :hitwall:

So please dont embarrass yourself b posting those nonsense facts.

Like I said earlier, all Indo Pak wars are more like ant wars, compared to WW2.

Why do these online fanboys from both countries constantly compare this small engagements to WW2?
Indo-Pakistani War 1965 - Battle of Chawinda
Written by Marcia Malory

The Battle of Chawinda, which took place during the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War, was one of the largest tank battles since the Second World War.

It has been claimed that as many as two thousand tanks took part in the battle, and that the Battle of Kursk has been the only tank battle that involved more tanks. It is known that during the Battle of Chawinda, each side had at least several hundred tanks. Both the Pakistanis and the Indians had Sherman tanks. The Indians also had Centurion tanks, while the Pakistanis also had Patton tanks.

The battle took place in the Ravi-Chenab corridor, which connects Jammu and Kashmir with the Indian mainland. It lasted from September 6 to September 22, 1965.

India's 18th Cavalry, which fought at the Battle of ChawindaIndia's goal was to break up the Pakistani supply line by cutting off the city of Sialkot from the city of Lahore.

The plan was for the Indians to attack from the region around Samba, east of Jammu, move southwest, and cut off the road between Jammu and Sialkot.

On the night of September 6, Indian artillery began shelling Pakistani forces stationed on both sides of Jassar Bridge. The Pakistani counterattack included blowing up part of the bridge.

The Indians captured some border villages on the night of September 7, while fighting was still going on at the bridge.

On September 8, Indian forces began moving toward Chawinda, in the Sialkot district. Pakistani aircraft fired at advancing Indian tanks but did not cause much damage to the tanks. Some tank against tank fighting then took place.

The Indian moved on to the Phillora region. A huge tank battle took place there on September 11. The Pakistanis were heavily outnumbered, and the Indians were able to capture Phillora.

Next, the Indians began moving toward Chawinda. They planned to capture Chawinda and gain control of the railway that ran from Pasrur to Sialkot.

Meanwhile, the Pakistanis received reinforcements.

On the way to Chawinda, the Indians captured the town of Zafarwal and then lost it.

The Pakistanis, now supplied with more Patton tanks, were able to prevent the Indians from reaching Chawinda for several days.

Fighting began around Chawinda on September 16.

The Indians incurred the most losses during the fighting. More than 120 Indian tanks were lost, while only about 40 Pakistani tanks were lost.

On September 21, Indian forces withdrew.

The following day, the UN Security Council called for a ceasefire.

The war ended on September 23.
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Well i know it is a hard fact to accept which reminds oneself on failures. But this article in from a neutral source, infact a western source. And it is written that after the Battle of Kursk, Battle of chawinda was the biggest. Now ignore it, or accept it it wont change the reality.
And these are facts. What you wrote full of c.rap. Must be stinking where you are I guess.

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Well i know it is a hard fact to accept which reminds oneself on failures. But this article in from a neutral source, infact a western source. And it is written that after the Battle of Kursk, Battle of chawinda was the biggest. Now ignore it, or accept it it wont change the reality.
And these are facts. What you wrote full of c.rap. Must be stinking where you are I guess.

:sniper:

Failure? LOL Your army failed to capture Kashmir and you ended up losing more land than we and fighting on your own soil....

And no it does not stink here .... I live in a place that has a higher living standard than any part in your country (0.79, try to beat that)

Anyways on topic, thats wrong, 2000 tanks!?!! hahahaha epic fail. Both sides did not even have the infrastructure or logistics to support roughly one thousands tanks on each side

And this source is neutral? OMG :hitwall: He is only mentioning Pakistani claims and you call it neutral?!

And besides, who is this person? Whats his backround? Where are his sources?

Learn how to discuss properly kid or just be silent you are embarrassing yourself again...


@AUSTERLITZ Look at this claim LOL.
 
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Lolz at thousand tanks both sides had around roughly 225 tanks.

Pakistan fielded -

22 cavalry (44xM48),

10 Cavalry (44x Patton)

25 Cavalry (44x Patton)

33 TDU sqn (15x Shermans)

19 Lancers (44x Patton)

11 Cavalry (44x Patton)

Vs indian

4 Horse (45x Centurion)

16 Cavalry (45x Centurions

17 Poona (45x Centurion)

2 Lancers (45x Sherman)

62 Cavalry (45x sherman)

Pakistanis had more advanced pattons whose long range guns performed well defensively after their disastrous rout at asal uttar.
The reason this was considered a great achievement by pakistan army is not becaus eof the armour but the large infantry advantage the indian side had.
And while its true its ONE of the biggest tank battles after ww2,its not the biggest.That goes to golan heights arab israeli wars.
In indo pak conflict this was similar to khemkaran/asal uttar in number of armour.
 

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Lolz at thousand tanks both sides had around roughly 225 tanks.

Pakistan fielded -

22 cavalry (44xM48),

10 Cavalry (44x Patton)

25 Cavalry (44x Patton)

33 TDU sqn (15x Shermans)

19 Lancers (44x Patton)

11 Cavalry (44x Patton)

Vs indian

4 Horse (45x Centurion)

16 Cavalry (45x Centurions

17 Poona (45x Centurion)

2 Lancers (45x Sherman)

62 Cavalry (45x sherman)

Pakistanis had more advanced pattons whose long range guns performed well defensively after their disastrous rout at asal uttar.
The reason this was considered a great achievement by pakistan army is not becaus eof the armour but the large infantry advantage the indian side had.
And while its true its ONE of the biggest tank battles after ww2,its not the biggest.That goes to golan heights arab israeli wars.
In indo pak conflict this was similar to khemkaran/asal uttar in number of armour.
Excuses, contrary to the popular indian myth the tech rate was equal as indians had AMX-13 of france who saw production after Pattons n battle tested centurion tanks.

Indians had out numbered us in the wars that we had fought with them.

and this was the 2nd largest tank battle after WW2's battle of kursk.

10 Most Epic Tank Battles in Military History

Failure? LOL Your army failed to capture Kashmir and you ended up losing more land than we and fighting on your own soil....
Any proof of that other then wikipedia who is the University of knowledge for Indians.

and a little education might help.

http://www.militaryeducation.org/10-most-epic-tank-battles-in-military-history/
 

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Excuses, contrary to the popular indian myth the tech rate was equal as indians had AMX-13 of france who saw production after Pattons n battle tested centurion tanks.

Indians had out numbered us in the wars that we had fought with them.

and this was the 2nd largest tank battle after WW2's battle of kursk.

10 Most Epic Tank Battles in Military History



Any proof of that other then wikipedia who is the University of knowledge for Indians.

and a little education might help.

10 Most Epic Tank Battles in Military History
1.) this ranking is utter garbage, fanboy stuff.... what are the criteria for "epicness" ? And where are even his references? What is this guys backround? He does not even show his real name.... This ranking is garbage.

And most importantly: It does not support your claim that it was the 2end largest tank battle!

For instance, the 2end battle of El Alamein had more than 1000 tanks on the Commonwealth side, so how can Chawinda be at No. 2?!



2.) According to your "source": "At the UN-enforced end of hostilities, India held around 200 square miles of Pakistani territory" How much territory did the PA hold at this time?

And what about the PAs aim to capture Kashmir? Why did they end up defending Lahore itself?
 

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1.) this ranking is utter garbage, fanboy stuff.... what are the criteria for "epicness" ? And where are even his references? What is this guys backround? He does not even show his real name.... This ranking is garbage.

And most importantly: It does not support your claim that it was the 2end largest tank battle!

For instance, the 2end battle of El Alamein had more than 1000 tanks on the Commonwealth side, so how can Chawinda be at No. 2?!



2.) According to your "source": "At the UN-enforced end of hostilities, India held around 200 square miles of Pakistani territory" How much territory did the PA hold at this time?

And what about the PAs aim to capture Kashmir? Why did they end up defending Lahore itself?
Sarcasm aside.
Military education is the very highly respected website on military affairs and education.
And if u dont agree use Google.

Yr El Alamain Drama is the biggest brain fart on this thread by an indian:omghaha:
 

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Sarcasm aside.
Military education is the very highly respected website on military affairs and education.
And if u dont agree use Google.

Yr El Alamain Drama is the biggest brain fart on this thread by an indian:omghaha:
1.) A website without further references, sources, citeria of the ranking except of "epicness" (!) or even basic information about the author is has a high reputation?!

You mean it has a high reputation among fanboys?


2.) Brain fart?! you are simply showing your utmost desperation and switching to denial and troll mode since even your own "source" acknowledged that India held 200 square miles and that the PA ended up fighting for Lahore after the failure of the attempt to capture Kashmir.


You simply cannot prove that Chawinda was the 2end largest tank battle with a couple of hundred tanks.

I gave you the example of another WW2 tank battle with more than 1000 tanks, and you accuse me of brain farts?


KID, you are simply embarrassing yourself.

Go and learn how to discuss properly since absolutely no one managed to teach it to you :(
 

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