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Battle of Badr: The first of the great battles of Islam

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hussain0216

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Yes, they will detonate their nukes and take the entire Islamic world with it if Muslims even dare destroying the Jewish State:
Samson Option - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its a threat of mutually assured destruction that prevented Arab regimes from attacking Israel ever since :D :D :D
We will all die, death is a inevitability we trust in Allah

Fear of death should not stop us from fighting for our muslim people and righting a wrong the jews committed

Option 1 must be to increase our population and put pressure on the dream of a jew state

We dont know what the future holds let the jews commit suicide if that is there destiny


We as muslims need to keep trying to help our Brethren you as a alleged muslim should be on the same page so why the ultra uncle tom attitude your like a african American pining for whiteys whip, let me guess your an ahmedi right
 

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We dont know what the future holds let the jews commit suicide if that is there destiny
Jews would never allow Second Holocaust of their people. There is a reason why Israel has won all its wars, and will continue to win in the future. Failure is not an 'option' for Jews anymore! :D :D :D
 

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The whole reason religion came into being is 2 factors -
1.Man's inherent curiosity how all his surroundings.
Physics increasingly answers these questions.
2.Man's fear of death .Fear of the unknown..of what happens after he dies and search for some security against this fear.
Now it has been recently discovered that the whole reason we age and die is with time,our cells are no longer capable of maintaining their rate of daily replacement.If genetics can figure out a solution which i wager it will in maybe a few hundred years at most ,man will not die from aging.A man who doesn't die has no need of god.There is no spooky judgement day story to drill into heads from childhood and keep them in line..gone.Finished.Over.
God no longer needed,Religion kaput.
Well sorry your points are based on wrong assumptions
 

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There is no cure against aging in the foreseeable future. Because naturally, without the process of aging, a body cannot survive.
The stem cells replenishment rate is the core issue that causes ageing.Not in forseeable future maybe but in 100-200 yrs- absolutely possible.You take a man from 1815 and drop into today.he will die of heart attack.Its simply beyond his conception.
 

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Abu Sufyan had to call in armed aid from Mecca to protect his rich caravan from being raided by peaceful muslims as usual:
The Myth:

Muslims Fought the Battle of Badr in Self-Defense

The Truth:

If Muslims are only supposed to fight in self-defense, then the Battle of Badr would had to have been a case in which an enemy was attacking or marching on Muhammad at Medina. If this is what you want to believe, then stop right now and try to stay away from history books.

Muslim historians of the day meticulously documented the circumstances that preceded the Battle of Badr and there is not the least bit of wiggle room for anyone hoping to believe that Muslims fought in self-defense that day.

In the first place, the Meccans were not marching on Muhammad. They did send out an army - but it was to protect their caravans from Muslim raiders (who had recently killed Meccan caravan drivers defending their property). The Meccans were not interested in starting a war; only in seeing that their merchandise and drivers were unmolested by Muhammad’s pirates (see prior article on Muhammad's Caravan Raids).

According to the historians of the day:

Then the apostle heard that Abu Sufyan was coming from Syria with a large caravan of Qurish, containing their money and merchandise, accompanied by some thirty or forty men… When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.”(Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428)

The account goes on to say that some of the Muslims were reluctant to participate in the attack because they did not want to go to war. Muhammad later refers to these peaceful Muslims as ‘Hypocrites’ in the Qur’an, where he also condemns them to Hell and demands that true Muslims deal with them harshly (66:9).

After Muhammad sent his men to attack the caravan, Abu Sufyan (his Meccan adversary) learned of his plans:

When he got near to the Hijaz, Abu Sufyan was seeking news and questioning every rider in his anxiety, until he got news from some riders that Muahmmad had called out his companions against him and his caravan. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428)

Muhammad himself declared that the Meccans were simply trying to protect their property:

The Quraysh have come to protect their horsemen. (Tabari, Volume V11, p.31)

Abu Sufyan even tried to avoid a battle by changing his route and calling for help. The Meccans then sent out a larger force of about 900 men to rescue the caravan.

A lengthy cat and mouse game ensued between Muhammad and the Meccans, in which the latter do nearly everything they can to avoid a conflict and make their way home (Ishaq/Hisham 433 to 443). Eventually Muhammad successfully forces them into battle by deliberately stopping up the water wells on which they depended for the trek back to Mecca - and then planting his army between the remaining wells and the thirsty Meccans.

What part of this could possibly be confused with self-defense on the part of Muhammad?

At that point, the Muslims clearly had the advantage against the weary and reluctant Meccans, even though they were lesser in number. Initially, they amused themselves by killing the few men desperate enough to try and reach the water:

Al-Aswad, who was a quarrelsome ill-natured man, stepped forth and said, “I swear to God that I will drink from their cistern or destroy it or die before reaching it.” Hamza [a Muslim strongman] came forth against him and when the two met, Hamza smote him and sent his foot and half his shank flying as he was near the cistern. He fell on his back and lay there, blood streaming from his foot toward his comrades. Then he crawled to the cistern and threw himself into it for the purpose of fulfilling his oath, but Hamza followed him and smote him…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 443)

The Muslims toyed with several other thirst-crazed Meccans in the same deadly manner before Muhammad finally gave the order to rout the “enemy.”

The period following the victorious battle was one of giddy celebration for the Muslims. The decapitated heads of Muhammad’s opponents from Mecca were presented to him, and their slayers honored. Live captives were brought before him as well, where he ordered some ransomed and others executed. In what seemed bizarre even to his own men, Muhammad walked among the bodies of the dead Meccans and taunted them, insisting that they could hear him in Hell (Bukhari 59:314).

The captured wealth of the Meccans was divided among the victors. Hamza, the man who had slaughtered the first Meccan attempting to reach water, turned his cruel amusement toward defenseless animals, cutting the humps off of camels and disemboweling them for no reason other than to relish their agony (Bukhari 59:340).

Amid the drunken carnage, Allah “spoke” to Muhammad and told him to make sure that the other Muslims gave him a fifth of the war booty. These words have become permanently recorded in the Qur’an (8:1), even though they have no relevance today.

The prophet of Islam also informed his men that their victory was actually due to a legion of angels sent down by Allah (8:9) - which were, of course, visible only to Muhammad (8:50). (For some reason, the angels didn’t show at the next battle, in which the Muslims were routed at Uhud).

Much of the 8th Sura, one of the Qur’an’s more violent chapters, was “revealed” following the aftermath of the Battle of Badr. Many of the verses make little sense outside of their historical context, proving that the Sira (biography of Muhammad) is necessary for interpreting the Qur’an.

In this case, the historical context is completely at odds with any misconception on the part of modern-day Muslims that the Battle of Badr was a defensive conflict. Only the Meccans fought in defense of their lives and property that day – and they did so reluctantly after Muhammad took monumental steps to force them into battle.
Myth: Muslims Fought the Battle of Badr in Self-Defense
Oh how come on, you are posting from that website? That's the least I expected of you. Mecca and the state of Medina was in a state of war, armed action had been taken by both sides prior to this engagement. In any war, trade and supply routes are open game for either side, to expect muslims to sit at home while the Meccans traded peacefully nearby while simultaneously harassing the muslims shows lack of military knowledge. The thing is, this whole war was defensive from the muslim point of view, Mecca was the aggressor, they continued to be the aggressor until they were finally defeated. So yes this was part of the defensive war fought by the Muslims.
 

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Norway is not a warmongering nation. Never been. There is a reason why Norway is obliged to give Nobel Peace Prize each year of all countries in the world! :D :D :D
They are part of NATO in every second war they also take part

Such as maulana saab?
Your whole point of view is based on Aethism so it's bound to contradict most things and points.

@waz @Horus @Oscar @WebMaster Close the thread people are just trolling here
 

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In any war, trade and supply routes are open game for either side, to expect muslims to sit at home while the Meccans traded peacefully nearby while simultaneously harassing the muslims shows lack of military knowledge.
Didn't know Qadianis were that dumb. If Meccans wanted to exterminate Muslims in Medina, they would have formed an alliance with the rest of pagan tribes and started the hostilities. Instead, it was Muslims that didn't let Meccans at peace by repeatedly attacking their trade caravans. And when Meccans retaliated, they were defeated, hence all that 'glory' of Islam.
 

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Jews would never allow Second Holocaust of their people. There is a reason why Israel has won all its wars, and will continue to win in the future. Failure is not an 'option' for Jews anymore! :D :D :D
Sooo whats that got to do with us muslims

We should give up because the jews are committed

Let them be, muslims trust in God and should also be committed like i said lets take small steps lets first increase our population and go from there we need to give them no peace and put pressure on that jew state of theres


Just to check you are an ahmedi right, i just want to know why your uncle tom attitude
 

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the trail of events if you like are similar to other Ibrahamic faiths. the Messenger and his followers are always persecuted because he breaks the status quo.
Except that in Christianity Jesus,or the prophet before him (John) don't pick the sword to kill ,rape other people and destroy their cities.The know that their Divine mission can be acomplished by God and their deeds,there's no need for human wars .They sacifice themselves without lifting a finger in their defence when their enemies come for them because they know that God's plan is more powerfull than millions of human swords on Earth.They do not need people to kill for their religion,they do not need their religion spread by the sword.Did people sometimes spread Christianity by the sword ? Yes ,they did but that was not the message of Jesus,unlike Muhammad.That's what sets this two apart ,making one the Son of God,without any fears on Earth ,no frustrations and the other just a man,a man who needed swords to protect him,armies to kill others in his name,a man like others with fears,anger and lust.
 

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there is a whole series of all the GHAZWAZ of Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) and khulfa-e-rashideen its called Omar Series with english subs here is the link its an awesome series you must watch this.
 

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Except that in Christianity Jesus,or the prophet before him (John) don't pick the sword to kill ,rape other people and destrouy their cities.The know that their Divine missioncan be acomplished by God and their deeds,there's no need for human wars .They sacifice themselves without lifting a finger in their defence when their enemies come for them because they know thatt God's plan is more powerfull than millions of human swords on Earth.They do not need people to kill for their religion,they dop not need their religion spread by the sword.Did people spread Christianity by the sword ? Yes ,they did but that was not the message of Jesus,unlike Muhammad.That's what sets this two apart ,making one the Son of God,without any fears on Earth ,no frustrtions and the other just a man,a man who needed swords to protect him,armies to kill others in his name,a man like others with fears,anger and lust.
Very well said! Applauded! There is a reason why both Christianity and Judaism transformed into civilised world but not Islam.

there is a whole series of all the GHAZWAZ of Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) and khulfa-e-rashideen its called Omar Series with english subs here is the link its an awesome series you must watch this.
Pro-Islamic propaganda, nothing else :D
 
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