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Barbarism 2014: On Religious Cleansing by Islamists

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Thread topic was answered in post 6 ...By opening a million similar threads is not issuing a new topic....
You didn't read the article, did you?

However it does re-enforce this: If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
If you accept that the pursuit of justice is an important - even holy - endeavor then humans have to be careful to not only discern truth from lies but to run away from falsehoods rather than embracing them simply because it's convenient or profitable to do so. That takes self-criticism of both one's self and one's society. The first requires honesty. The second requires courage.
 

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Well that is what I see you doing...Why not practice what you preach, eh?
Yes. And when other posters here can point to errors I've made I thank them. It doesn't happen very often.

Obviously, the OT isn't nearly as important to you as your need to put the blame on others, rather than yourself, for failing your moral duties. I'd like to point out that doesn't make me a better or superior person than you; I'm in a society where freedom of speech is enshrined and personal safety is high. So the challenge to you is much greater than the challenge to me.

But so are the rewards, both to yourself and your society.
 

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It doesn't happen very often.
not very humble are we?


your need to put the blame on others
1stly, blaming ISIS for their crimes is not blaming "others"...its the one responsible...them...and them alone...Like no one blames American citizens for the crimes committed by their "foreign policy"


for failing your moral duties.
So if the need to blame the right person is wrong, I suggest you get YOUR moral laws right!


I'm in a society where freedom of speech is enshrined and personal safety is high.
I can show you how the dream is a delusion....but there is no point arguing with one who is delusional, right?


. So the challenge to you is much greater than the challenge to me.
Great responsibilities come with great challenges! Only those who are responsible are given something to do be it a challenge!


But so are the rewards, both to yourself and your society.
My society would be fixed the day your foreign policy stops screwing half the world and their mental being....Karma really is a bitch when it comes round to bite then you might wake up from the delusions!
 

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1stly, blaming ISIS for their crimes is not blaming "others"...its the one responsible...them...and them alone...
Only if the society the individuals are part of condemns and prosecutes them for it. Otherwise the society that nurtured them shares responsibility.

I can show you how the dream is a delusion....but there is no point arguing with one who is delusional, right?
You want your words accepted as gospel rather than working to actually establish their veracity. If that's not willingness to embrace delusion, what is?
 

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Only if the society the individuals are part of condemns and prosecutes them for it.
Codemn was done on the 1st beheading but it was not enough just like till date stating what they are doing is not Islamic at all is not prosecution enough ....

Like I said the day the West apologizes for their crimes against humanity will be the day they can ask someone else or preach something similar!


You want your words accepted as gospel rather than working to actually establish their veracity. If that's not willingness to embrace delusion, what is?
When did I claim my words as gospel....However I already answered your thread with another thread (Open Letter to Abu Bakar Al-Baghdadi, by leading global Scholars of Islam. which has been on this forum and still thread upon thread is repeating the same thing that Open Letter to Abu Bakar Al-Baghdadi, by leading global Scholars of Islam. already answered...how is that not denial and delusional?
 

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Which reminds me, what about your dying need to blame Islam, Muslims and anything related to the 2?
I'd much rather blame Communists but they're currently in short supply! Seriously, it's dishonest to distract attention or invent elaborate unsupported conspiracies rather than embrace Occam's Razor and pursue the simplest explanation that fits all the available evidence.
 

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Codemn was done on the 1st beheading but it was not enough just like till date stating what they are doing is not Islamic at all is not prosecution enough ....
Albanians are Muslims. They're sending troops to fight ISIS. They understand that mere lip service is empty - or conceals support.

Like I said the day the West apologizes for their crimes against humanity will be the day they can ask someone else or preach something similar!
You remind me of the Pakistani law professor who here in town last year who, in his final argument about the "illegality of drones", proclaimed he would never accept a position if that meant upholding white people over those who are brown. It doesn't get you off the hook for evil deeds or moral failure, Akheilos. Your society pays the price for that.

When did I claim my words as gospel....
When you claimed you could prove me wrong but declared you wouldn't bother to do so. You might as well have claimed the Earth is flat.

However I already answered your thread with another thread (Open Letter to Abu Bakar Al-Baghdadi, by leading global Scholars of Islam. which has been on this forum and still thread upon thread is repeating the same thing that Open Letter to Abu Bakar Al-Baghdadi, by leading global Scholars of Islam. already answered...how is that not denial and delusional?
I'm not a Muslim. I don't need to bother about the Koran. Words are not deeds and may be deceits to lull people to weakness. Whether one is barbaric or not depends on their actions in context - and the same for whether a people are civilized or not. Why does the West have to deal with this menace while Muslims like yourself are content with pointing fingers and citing the faults of others? Why aren't you encouraging your government to send money and troops to fight ISIS? Why haven't you yourself taken up arms to protect Pakistan's Christians and encourage the prosecution of their tormenters? Why haven't you worked to establish the principle that sometimes justice is obtained by non-Muslims killing those who claim to be Muslims, especially when and where Muslims refuse to accept the yoke of law enforcement responsibility themselves? Why don't you advocate letting the abused victims of ISIS immigrate into Pakistan, as the Caliphs did with Jewish refugees from Spain?

I don't see why all these questions shouldn't be at the top of your mind. Right now. Before all others dealing with Pakistan's foreign affairs. Because it's a question of identity and the kind of Muslim identity you accept.
 

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Albanians are Muslims. They're sending troops to fight ISIS. They understand that mere lip service is empty - or conceals support.
So you are giving a blind eye to the Iranians, Iraqi, the Turks and numerous others who are fighting?


he would never accept a position if that meant upholding white people over those who are brown.
I dont have such nonsense in me!

It doesn't get you off the hook for evil deeds or moral failure, Akheilos. Your society pays the price for that.
What If I said that 9/11 was a price your society paid? Would that not sound inconsiderate and a whole load of BS?


When you claimed you could prove me wrong but declared you wouldn't bother to do so. You might as well have claimed the Earth is flat.
I could prove you wrong - I was saying (in context) I could prove this 2 delusions as wrong:

freedom of speech is enshrined and personal safety is high.

I didnt coz it would be derailing...We have a saying in Urdu: Izzat tumhay raaz nai atti.. You cant digest respect!

I'm not a Muslim. I don't need to bother about the Koran.
Yet you have a dying need for drawing attention on Islam through whatever means be it a lie, be it hate, be it delusion?

And and when people dont bother about something and claim to know about it...That is where lies start popping up!

Words are not deeds and may be deceits to lull people to weakness. Whether one is barbaric or not depends on their actions in context
And as per the letter, Open Letter to Abu Bakar Al-Baghdadi, by leading global Scholars of Islam. the actions of ISIS is not from the Quran....had you read the letter you wouldnt be appearing as a fool, right?


Why does the West have to deal with this menace while Muslims like yourself are content with pointing fingers and citing the faults of others?
Majority joining them have passports from countries in the West....
West started all this chaotic crap by beginning with WOT...now this is terror too...go fight!


Why aren't you encouraging your government to send money and troops to fight ISIS?
We have our own problems ALSO CREATED since USSR cold war! So no thanks to you everyone is busy....You have a problem do something instead of busily pointing at a religion or its people who are "peacefully minding their own business"


? Why haven't you yourself taken up arms to protect Pakistan's Christians and encourage the prosecution of their tormenters?
Because like you dont go to the South of America or in every city in America to fend off injustice....Christians are not prosecuted in my city...We dont tolerate such stupid prosecutions...


Why haven't you worked to establish the principle that sometimes justice is obtained by non-Muslims killing those who claim to be Muslims, especially when and where Muslims refuse to accept the yoke of law enforcement responsibility themselves?
If I was to work on establishing that...Then you should work on accepting prosecution of Christians in Pakistan right? Oh wait you are a Zionists to hell with the Christians....hmmm...


Why don't you advocate letting the abused victims of ISIS immigrate into Pakistan, as the Caliphs did with Jewish refugees from Spain?
Those were Khalifs not Republic of Pakistan...and why not Americans who are crying the most Crocodile tears on the issue?


Because it's a question of identity and the kind of Muslim identity you accept.
It is clear in Islam everyone will answer for their actions only...esp of you have hit puberty and are of sane mind and can distinguish right from wrong...then your actions are your responsibilities....esp when you have an open letter from 100+ scholars then maybe you should reflect why 100+ scholars would say all that...
 

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