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When you open your mouth without using your brain and bit research. :rofl: :rofl:

DEARSAN has created a corvette / OPV ship family by taking its YTKB (Tuzla Class) experience forward. For example, the Turkmenistan navy was built from scratch. Here the main warship became the C92 corvettes (Han class missile corvettes).

In this sense, Dearsan is one of the most important companies that attaches importance to cooperation with friendly and brotherly countries and accumulated an important working experience in this field. Just in this month, the Nigerian navy signed contracts for the construction of two Dearsan OPV-76 corvettes.



Dearsan may be the first company in TR's private sector to be able to produce large-tonnage warships with its own sources and organization, independent of SSB projects. It is one of the most important players in the Turkish shipbuilding industry, which is not well known in foreign defense circles, but has a very strong organization. If there had been no military coup in Sudan, Dearsan was planning ro establish huge shipyard investment there. Agreements on this were completed, but the process was interrupted. Maybe Bangladesh can attract this investment to its own country.

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There are very few private shipyards in the world that have achieved this level of military production capability.
 
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DEARSAN has created a corvette / OPV ship family by taking its YTKB (Tuzla Class) experience forward. For example, the Turkmenistan navy was built from scratch. Here the main warship became the C92 corvettes (Han class missile corvettes).

In this sense, Dearsan is one of the most important companies that attaches importance to cooperation with friendly and brotherly countries and accumulated an important working experience in this field. Just in this month, the Nigerian navy signed contracts for the construction of two Dearsan OPV-76 corvettes.



Dearsan may be the first company in TR's private sector to be able to produce large-tonnage warships with its own sources and organization, independent of SSB projects. It is one of the most important players in the Turkish shipbuilding industry, which is not well known in foreign defense circles, but has a very strong organization. If there had been no military coup in Sudan, Dearsan was planning ro establish huge shipyard investment there. Agreements on this were completed, but the process was interrupted. Maybe Bangladesh can attract this investment to its own country.

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What i meant was:

There are very few private shipyards in the world that have achieved this level of military production capability.
@dBSPL brother feel free to "ignore" this guy, I have. He is an inveterate India-shill and therefore anti-Bangladesh, anti-Pakistan and anti-Turkey. Yes we have fifth columnist India-shills in Bangladesh, we are a tolerant society.

These people will obviously mock Turkey because they have no clue where Turkey is as a shipbuilding nation. Turkey and Bangladesh ties will only get more deeper and brotherly with time, as has been demonstrated by official visits. Shipyard investments are only the start, as has been stated by the Turkish ambassador to Bangladesh.
 

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For a country that can only afford a couple of dozen submarines over the next 30 years, it makes no sense to build submarines locally as the cost will blow up beyond imagination.
We need submarine in numbers to be able to break naval blockades, and this can only be achieved by getting them on discounts from large builders.

BN has no plan to BUILD submarines - the submarine base is not intended for that purpose. Whoever told you that has no clue about what he is talking about.
If you're talking about designing and building the whole new sub locally from scratch independently then yes, it's not a good idea but gotta start somewhere. ToT is way to build the capability and numbers. Not only discount, shipbuilders offer ToT if you can spend bit more than $1 billion for three subs. (Judging by the Indonesian deal). If MRCA/frigate fund gets approved then i don't see any problem with that. We could get Chang Bogo, Type-39A or maybe Turkish one from STM.

Countries like Sweden, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Indonesia, Pakistan, Brazil etc have less than 12 conventional subs in service but they are building subs locally. I am surprised that you're saying, "BN has no plan to BUILD submarines" when BN is trying build everything locally and PM's statement about technology transfer. It's too early to say that as more dockyards-shipyard is on the pipeline. Besides BN always kept us in dark about sub project. BNS Sheikh Hasina will have MRO facility. Not necessarily have to build submarine there. Shipyards can do that.

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A combination of Sea Eagles (supersonic) and ATMACA (~250km range) would be good.
Sea Eagles is retired.

BN should R&D and build midget subs no dramas.
No need for that. Plenty designs out there, we can just buy and build them here. Besides like i said above we don't have the capability yet.

If we can afford it in the distant future, we should also add nuclear submarines: just a handful of these will go a long way towards countering any naval blockades.
Not gonna happen in 50 years like you're expecting. Nuclear submarines is for long endurance. Nuclear missile is a difference case though. Since BN will only operate in BoB and possibly in the Arabian sea, an AIP sub can cover that range (approximately 6000 km. Jang Bogo-class has 20000-15000 km range). AIP sub is more silent than a nuclear one, combine the idea of Korean KSS-III and Swedish A-26 with that and you get a potent submarine with less maintenance cost than nuclear sub.

Gotta build our own nuclear warhead, ballistic missile and reactor before thinking about nuclear sub. Surely India and the west won't sit around and let us do that, specially when we are a Muslim country blessed with considerable amount of anal loving radical idiots. Something like Korean+Swedish sub combo is the solution for now.

Let's say some Type 23 Frigates do come from the RN.

The question is....What will be the ASM used by BN?

The Harpoons are old and the RN was looking for a replacement.

Also, I doubt BN would even get access, as I think some agreements need to be in place before any transfer of the Harpoon to Bangladesh.

So then which is it?

Exocet? In light of recent events.

Otomat? Since we already use it?

ATMACA?

Interesting topic IMO.

Have a look at below to get some background info:

Otomat's teseo launcher is too bulky. We didn't get ATMACA yet. Don't think we will buy exocet. ATMACA or C-802 seems a bit bigger in length and diameter than Harpoon. But the ship seems to have more space. ⤵ Anyway if nothing works we can fit C-704 like we did in Castle class corvette.



I think the best way to counter such arguments (or should I say daydreaming?) is to refer to papers published by Bangladesh Navy officers. It looks like BN officers have a more realistic view about their nation's capabilities & do not neccessarily agree with BD members here who want BN to build frigates & submarines.
It's evident that Bangladesh lack the infrastructure, R&D capabilities & backward-linkage industries to undertake major Naval projects.
Before trolling Bihari Billy you better check what your own people do. Every time we buy something your people start saying, "Why's BD's arming itself?", "Who's their enemy", "Why BD needs so much arm?" blah blah blah, And when they ran out of things to say then they brings out the classic old dialogue as last resort, "We liberated you from Pakistan. You should be grateful".

And when they get angry more intense stuff comes out of their mouth. One got his twitter account suspended because of that. And this is not only coming from Indians though.

I haven't read the article but looks like the article is about necessity of local shipbuilding and the officer is identifying current obstacles to build warship locally. The headline make it quite clear, "TRANSFORMATION FROM BUYER’S TO BUILDER’S NAVY: A STRATEGIC CHOICE FOR BANGLADESH". And plan to build warship locally won't gonna stop because of a paper published in 2019. Already one new shipyard and dry dock is coming for shipbuilding and three new docks will be built for MRO.

DEARSAN has created a corvette / OPV ship family by taking its YTKB (Tuzla Class) experience forward. For example, the Turkmenistan navy was built from scratch. Here the main warship became the C92 corvettes (Han class missile corvettes).

In this sense, Dearsan is one of the most important companies that attaches importance to cooperation with friendly and brotherly countries and accumulated an important working experience in this field. Just in this month, the Nigerian navy signed contracts for the construction of two Dearsan OPV-76 corvettes.



Dearsan may be the first company in TR's private sector to be able to produce large-tonnage warships with its own sources and organization, independent of SSB projects. It is one of the most important players in the Turkish shipbuilding industry, which is not well known in foreign defense circles, but has a very strong organization. If there had been no military coup in Sudan, Dearsan was planning ro establish huge shipyard investment there. Agreements on this were completed, but the process was interrupted. Maybe Bangladesh can attract this investment to its own country.

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What i meant was:

There are very few private shipyards in the world that have achieved this level of military production capability.
Ummm i was actually laughing because that blabbering idiot saw Tuzla class as an "ideal next steps beyond what our Padma class offers" while actually both boats are almost same in dimension, performance and firepower. Well, nothing's wrong with being proved right again about that Ramchagol's missing connection between his brain and mouth.
 
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If the definition/fatwa of pro-Bangladeshi is this ⤵ then thank god i am lucky to be anti-Bangladeshi. People are not blind here. They can see who actually does dalali and looks for other countries interest instead of Bangladesh. ⤵ The intense subservient attitude here is clearly noticeable.

There are plenty evidences in this forum for members. I suggest this chamchika to bring evidence next time when he accuses me for being anti-BD, Turkey, India-shill blah blah blah. Otherwise he only sends invitation to troll him more and more. চিল্লায়া মার্কেট ফাওন যাইব? So far it's his only resort when he can't argue with logic and proof other than crying to mod and burying his in dirt.

Only some spineless creatures can take fanboyism to the level of boot-licking, feel blessed/proud to be a chamchika and grovel in the name of keeping good relation. Even Koreans have more dignity than these miserable creatures.


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Our armed forces orchestra isn’t that good. They’re regular drill beats guys so they’re only good with that.
Most of these band crew from probably come from rural areas who never played a single instrument. But somehow i am the anti-Bangladeshi here?!:omghaha: Many of western countries have whole system including proper education, music classroom to teach their people about music since school. We don't have that luxury. আসল জিনিসেরই খবর নাই আবার এইগুলা।

Don't mind this Geneva camp dweller. Not the first time this lollipop lover talked shit about BD armed forces. Sobaire nijer ma er vatar der moto "Itor methor, sweeper, peon" kore. Nola talks like he is a music expert. Better ask this motir vai to play a single note of what our band player performed. We all know which navy's band he loves most.

Comment porlei bujhba. ⤵ Imagine some random a-hole who never hold a scalpel calling you "Itor methor, sweeper, peon" just because the bas*** didn't like the way you operate or do surgery. The inferiority complex is intense here. I wonder what kind of "Itrami" our band players did with this motherboard. Probably made "maracas" or "gong" out of his tun-tuni. নাকি প্যান্ট খুইলা রাস্তায় ছেড়ে দিছে?

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Small but potent - just like Naga peppers.

These tiny Harbor Patrol Boat things built at Khulna Shipyard (Batch of six) use two 550 HP Volvo Penta motors.

Length 15.4m, Breadth 4.1m and Depth 2.1m.

Complement of 12 personnel, 4 bunks and an HMG station.

 
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Looks like Myanmar Navy received a free Type 35 submarine from China.

Chinese Mings are really getting long in the tooth but they are better than old Indian Kilos any day...

Bangladesh Navy should stop twiddling their thumbs and get a couple of Song class types (S26T) with AIP like Thailand did ($430 Million each). Also - an LPD (type 071E type) by now has become almost "Farz" purchase right now. Thailand also got one of those from China.

If not Song class, we need at least any one of the following.
  • Scorpene (France),
  • Type 209 (Germany),
  • Project 636 Varshavyanka (Kilo-class, proposed by Russia)
  • DW-1400T (derived from German Type 209 and made by Daewoo South Korea and where Indonesian Navy is risk sharing partner), Brother @Indos may have more information on these and my Thanks in advance.
 

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Chinese Mings are really getting long in the tooth but they are better than old Indian Kilos any day...

Bangladesh Navy should stop twiddling their thumbs and get a couple of Song class types (S26T) with AIP like Thailand did ($430 Million each). Also - an LPD (type 071E type) by now has become almost "Farz" purchase right now. Thailand also got one of those from China.

If not Song class, we need at least any one of the following.
  • Scorpene (France),
  • Type 209 (Germany),
  • Project 636 Varshavyanka (Kilo-class, proposed by Russia)
  • DW-1400T (derived from German Type 209 and made by Daewoo South Korea and where Indonesian Navy is risk sharing partner), Brother @Indos may have more information on these and my Thanks in advance.
Indonesia is likely ordering Scorpene for the next batch of submarine (3 submarine). This is hinted by Indonesia shipyard, PT PAL Indonesia that shows their future products that include design of scorpene submarine. Naval Group high officials from France has just had meeting with Indonesia Defense Minister recently in Jakarta, along with PT PAL director.
 

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Indonesia is likely ordering Scorpene for the next batch of submarine (3 submarine). This is hinted by Indonesia shipyard, PT PAL Indonesia that shows their future products that include design of scorpene submarine. Naval Group high officials from France has just had meeting with Indonesia Defense Minister recently in Jakarta, along with PT PAL director.
I believe Scorpene sub is going to be slightly bigger than Nagapasa class (DSME 1400 class) made in Indonesia (also made by PT PAL) then - but are the roles going to be any different? For Nagapasa class (1400 ton) the price I believe was very good for brand new subs (3 for roughly 1 Billion, or $350 Million each).
 
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I believe Scorpene sub is going to be slightly bigger than Nagapasa class (DSME 1400 class) made in Indonesia then - but are the roles going to be different?
We ordered 3 submarines from South Korea and it includes TOT. PT PAL workers were sent to South Korea during the construction of those 3 submarines. What Indonesia do in PT PAL facility is pretty much assembling and system integration job for third submarine.

Next batch should be complete production. This year and next year the submarine infrastructure in PT PAL will be added to enable submarine complete construction. It could include steel supply as well if we manage to have good deal since our Navy ships have already used Indonesian made steel. Indonesia biggest steel maker, PT Krakatau Steel, which is a state owned company but some of shares have been sold in stock market, has made several JV companies with Japanese and South Korean companies.

This I think steel can come from PT Krakatau Posco so it can benefits both Indonesian and Korean company as well.

Krakatau Posco


Krakatau Steel

 
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