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Considering the potential poor efficacy of many of not most Chinese vaccines to latest mutations of the virus as well as a variant of delta or omicron entering China, they need a way to open up without losing face. A population that is similar to the US in terms of number of elderly and average age of the population, the government there is smart to be cautious. If the deaths are at the same rate as those in the US we are talk about more then 4 million potential deaths. They will need to step cautiously but at some point have to open up.

Ideally they would accept the best vaccines in the world for their most vulnerable patients (some news report say only 20% of China’s elderly are even vaccinate with any vaccine), but reports also say they would be willing to accept the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine of the MRNA vaccine technology is shared with China.

I suspect behind the scenes there are teams working hard to try to push their own MRNA as well as other teams trying to reverse engineer Pfizer and Moderna’s technologies. You can’t blame them for that; any major technologically advanced country would do they same. The technology is probably not for sale, so the R&D probably continues.

In the mean time keeping the younger and/or healthiest people away from those with comorbidities and the elderly and letting them get infected and recover is probably the only real way to let the virus move through the population and for most people to not have to live in lockdown.

A tough job for anyone in a government position, his caution in answering at least shows how cautiously the Chinese government will have to act, and that he isn’t in a position to answer yet.
 
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Ideally they would accept the best vaccines in the world for their most vulnerable patients (some news report say only 20% of China’s elderly are even vaccinate with any vaccine), but reports also say they would be willing to accept the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine of the MRNA vaccine technology is shared with China.
They reached out to moderna for their vaccine, moderna accepted it on the condition that they manufacture and ship the vaccine to China, China demanded they manufacture it in China, but Moderna refused for two obvious reasons-
1- poor manufacturing practices and quality control simce its a highly sensitive temperature sensitive mRNA vaccine requiring a strong supply chain control, for example US govt had to hire FEDEX to ensure safety.
2- obvious issue being China will steal this high technology from Moderna.
I suspect behind the scenes there are teams working hard to try to push their own MRNA as well as other teams trying to reverse engineer Pfizer and Moderna’s technologies.
They have been trying for years and failed, USA mRNA technology has its roots from an obscure research paper written by a graduate student named Robert Malone in 1960 in California, it really got into limelight when the only vaccine effective against Covid pandemic was derived from it. China does not have that long scientific discoveries to rely on, thats where they are feeling the lag bow, along with semiconductor fab processes.
These High technology achievements take a half century, thats whybthey cant now
 

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You do know we have Mrna tech also right? The point is my uncle got cancer rr after second dose Pfizer within a month. Can you explain that? The Chinese vacvine ws designed for the first variant ans even Pfizer is useless. 90k ppl died in the States since Shanghai Lockdown.

Here is some reality not reported by cnn. And majority are vaccinated
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They reached out to moderna for their vaccine, moderna accepted it on the condition that they manufacture and ship the vaccine to China, China demanded they manufacture it in China, but Moderna refused for two obvious reasons-
1- poor manufacturing practices and quality control simce its a highly sensitive temperature sensitive mRNA vaccine requiring a strong supply chain control, for example US govt had to hire FEDEX to ensure safety.
2- obvious issue being China will steal this high technology from Moderna.

They have been trying for years and failed, USA mRNA technology has its roots from an obscure research paper written by a graduate student named Robert Malone in 1960 in California, it really got into limelight when the only vaccine effective against Covid pandemic was derived from it. China does not have that long scientific discoveries to rely on, thats where they are feeling the lag bow, along with semiconductor fab processes.
These High technology achievements take a half century, thats whybthey cant now
I am no supporter if zero covid, but j wouldnt want 4 mil dead bodies burning in carparks.
 

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They reached out to moderna for their vaccine, moderna accepted it on the condition that they manufacture and ship the vaccine to China, China demanded they manufacture it in China, but Moderna refused for two obvious reasons-
1- poor manufacturing practices and quality control simce its a highly sensitive temperature sensitive mRNA vaccine requiring a strong supply chain control, for example US govt had to hire FEDEX to ensure safety.
2- obvious issue being China will steal this high technology from Moderna.

They have been trying for years and failed, USA mRNA technology has its roots from an obscure research paper written by a graduate student named Robert Malone in 1960 in California, it really got into limelight when the only vaccine effective against Covid pandemic was derived from it. China does not have that long scientific discoveries to rely on, thats where they are feeling the lag bow, along with semiconductor fab processes.
These High technology achievements take a half century, thats whybthey cant now
You indians are the worst thieves stealing the drug patents over the world to produce the cheap generic drugs in india. Same thing doesnt apply to china, fool.
 

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They reached out to moderna for their vaccine, moderna accepted it on the condition that they manufacture and ship the vaccine to China, China demanded they manufacture it in China, but Moderna refused for two obvious reasons-
1- poor manufacturing practices and quality control simce its a highly sensitive temperature sensitive mRNA vaccine requiring a strong supply chain control, for example US govt had to hire FEDEX to ensure safety.
2- obvious issue being China will steal this high technology from Moderna.

They have been trying for years and failed, USA mRNA technology has its roots from an obscure research paper written by a graduate student named Robert Malone in 1960 in California, it really got into limelight when the only vaccine effective against Covid pandemic was derived from it. China does not have that long scientific discoveries to rely on, thats where they are feeling the lag bow, along with semiconductor fab processes.
These High technology achievements take a half century, thats whybthey cant now

If a technology exists, the wheel doesn’t have to be reinvented all over again. Bits and pieces of the knowledge come out in research papers and engineers that work for these companies can be hired by Chinese firms, either in China or in the west at labs paid for by Chinese firms. They will eventually figure it out, but in the mean time they need a strategy that lets them open up without endangering the most vulnerable.

One option is to allow the investment homes to be rented by the government to house healthier people with vulnerable family. Let these people return to work but minimize the time the see their relatives (similar to what we have done in the west during the first two years of the pandemic). The government is already bailing out the housing market, why not put the housing to good use while it is sitting idle for the sake of a national emergency.

After people have been vaccinated with latest vaccines and as the virus moves through the healthy population, herd immunity will be achieved in a matter of months. At that point, older people can be vaccinated with the vaccines found to be most effective, allowed to show they have achieved a level of immunity and be reunited with their families.
 

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You do know we have Mrna tech also right? The point is my uncle got cancer rr after second dose Pfizer within a month. Can you explain that?

I took some Aspirin today and the same day spilled my tea. Clearly taking Aspirin leads to spilling tea.

The first things you learn with the scientific method is to differentiate between cause and effect.

You display utter stupidity
 

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You do know we have Mrna tech also right?
You don't, thats why CCP is asking moderna to provide it...

The point is my uncle got cancer rr after second dose Pfizer within a month.
Your uncle is obviously not a chinese citizen, chinese are not allowed to have pfizer.
I am no supporter if zero covid, but j wouldnt want 4 mil dead bodies burning in carparks.
But chinese people are being locked and welded up in their homes, nowhere else.
You indians are the worst thieves stealing the drug patents over the world to produce the cheap generic drugs in india. Same thing doesnt apply to china, fool.
No wonder mRNA was invented in India and used by them. China still begging Moderna for mRNA...
If a technology exists, the wheel doesn’t have to be reinvented all over again. Bits and pieces of the knowledge come out in research papers and engineers that work for these companies can be hired by Chinese firms, either in China or in the west at labs paid for by Chinese firms. They will eventually figure it out, but in the mean time they need a strategy that lets them open up without endangering the most vulnerable.
Technilogy exists, just china needs to pay for it, will not be allowed to steal it this time.
After people have been vaccinated with latest vaccines and as the virus moves through the healthy population, herd immunity will be achieved in a matter of months. At that point, older people can be vaccinated with the vaccines found to be most effective, allowed to show they have achieved a level of immunity and be reunited with their families.
Key point is having a working vaccine before opening lockdown, unfortunately China does not have a working vaccine after 3 years.
 

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To all CCP robots here :

1. CCP does not provide working vaccines to chinese people. Only foreigners can get biontech. Because chinese people are considered cattle by CCP.

2. The Googled graph showing the spike in Nov date - stop quoting that. Read the numbers first. We already know you're dumb robots so don't have to prove if daily.

3. For a long time you have been defending zero Covid policy and now some of you have started unsupporting it. Those who are still supporting must contact CCP software support and get debugged immediately

4. Also stop quoting 4m death projection- it was an extrapolation as admitted by WHO using a model that has been discredited now. There's a 40 page document that you can read if you have any interest at truth.

5. Assuming you are not 100% preprogrammed and that there's atleast 1% original thought left in you , understand that even CCP will be forced to buy working vaccines sooner or later. Prepare to change your stances. Get debugged often.

6. When you steal formulae, designs etc pls steal safety procedures as well so that you don't spread Wuhan virus types again.

7. Learn to communicate sooner when you screw up again. Don't lie all the time

And yes, avoid bat soup.

Ps: is hu Jintao safe in the Xinjiang concentration camp? I understand his next cell is reserved for Winnie the pooh .
 

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You don't, thats why CCP is asking moderna to provide it...


Your uncle is obviously not a chinese citizen, chinese are not allowed to have pfizer.

But chinese people are being locked and welded up in their homes, nowhere else.

No wonder mRNA was invented in India and used by them. China still begging Moderna for mRNA...

Technilogy exists, just china needs to pay for it, will not be allowed to steal it this time.

Key point is having a working vaccine before opening lockdown, unfortunately China does not have a working vaccine after 3 years.
We begged Moderna? We already have the rights for biontech mrna in China numb numb. The Pfizer vaccine used by US was created by biontech Germany funded by Fosun and Pfizer, Fosun owned the rights to greater China, while Pfizer is globally.

I can't deny there were some cases in tje early days of panic where building management actually welded some doors but it is not policy to weld, it's more effective if we send them to quarantine centers.

Cansino is a mrna vaccine, and there ate risks in using gmo LIVE vaccines. My Uncle is Singapore PR and is working there, had cancer after second dose.

Btw, Brazil had been using Sinovac, Indonesia too, UAE, China was the world's largest vaccine provider not India, i don't see you barking there?

Science works the same regardless of geography, your friggin pharmaceutical industry uses Chinese APIs. So don't brag too much when 4 mil yindoos are dead an begging for oxygen. Lol
 

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