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Austria Wants To Offload Its Unwanted Eurofighter Typhoons, Could this be an opportunity for Paf?

Not really PAF has no appetite for another 4TH gen fighter. PAF has made up its mind that it will not induct another type until project azm matures. If PAF can get its hands on more F16s then that is another issue altogether but other than that it is just waste of resources.
 

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So far there is only Indonesia that show interest. @UKBengali bro/sis, does Bangladesh also have interest on the planes.

Indonesia will use the planes for our F 5 squadron if the deal can be achieved, particularly if it is really cheap. The planes still have 20 years operating hours, not bad. All of our F5 planes have all been grounded so the squadron needs the substitution as soon as possible. Buying second hand planes also mean that we will have bigger budget to spend for other pressing needs.
 

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Not really PAF has no appetite for another 4TH gen fighter. PAF has made up its mind that it will not induct another type until project azm matures. If PAF can get its hands on more F16s then that is another issue altogether but other than that it is just waste of resources.
Typhoon is supposed to replace Tornado. Tornado and F-16 are same generation. Typhoon and F-35 are same generation.
 

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"defense ministry has called into question the jet’s operating costs and lack of certain critical capabilities — including the PIRATE infrared sensor, a helmet-mounted display, and the EuroDASS self-defense suite. At the same time, the Austrian jets have no beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile and lack any air-to-ground capability."

It seems these 15 Typhoons of the Austrian airforce are not even at PAR with PAF ROSE mirages. I wonder why Indonesia is interested in them, maybe they are getting them on throw away price.
 

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"defense ministry has called into question the jet’s operating costs and lack of certain critical capabilities — including the PIRATE infrared sensor, a helmet-mounted display, and the EuroDASS self-defense suite. At the same time, the Austrian jets have no beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile and lack any air-to-ground capability."

It seems these 15 Typhoons of the Austrian airforce are not even at PAR with PAF ROSE mirages. I wonder why Indonesia is interested in them, maybe they are getting them on throw away price.
When deals like this happen, either their is a serious offset program, upgrade program, or both.

Most of the services keep things quiet due to sensitivities, this is something we should all consider before we jump the gun.
 

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There is reason why austria reject such fighter jet. Don't be a fool again to get taken a ride again. European weapon are overprice and under perform. They are expensive is more of the hype and marketing not becos you think the quality is better or technology is advanced than peer.
 

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"defense ministry has called into question the jet’s operating costs and lack of certain critical capabilities — including the PIRATE infrared sensor, a helmet-mounted display, and the EuroDASS self-defense suite. At the same time, the Austrian jets have no beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile and lack any air-to-ground capability."

It seems these 15 Typhoons of the Austrian airforce are not even at PAR with PAF ROSE mirages. I wonder why Indonesia is interested in them, maybe they are getting them on throw away price.
Most probably just for interim solution since our F 5 planes also dont have BVR capabilities and IMO our defense planners are waiting KFX/IFX to successfully reach mass production in 2026 (inshaAllah), although upgrading them in Indonesia Aerospace to enable them have BVR capabilities can also be already in the plan, considering our F 16 A/B planes are also undergoing MLU/upgrade in the country currently.

Yup, it is the price that will determine the deal, if it is not cheap enough, there will be no deal at all IMO. Indonesia is also getting economic difficulty during this pandemic and will likely to decrease defense equipment import greatly, so cheap second hand defense equipment import could be more preferred than a new and expensive ones.
 

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Most probably just for interim solution since our F 5 planes also dont have BVR capabilities and IMO our defense planners are waiting KFX/IFX to successfully reach mass production in 2026 (inshaAllah), although upgrading them in Indonesia Aerospace to enable them have BVR capabilities can also be already in the plan, considering our F 16 A/B planes are also undergoing MLU/upgrade in the country currently.

Yup, it is the price that will determine the deal, if it is not cheap enough, there will be no deal at all IMO. Indonesia is also getting economic difficulty during this pandemic and will likely to decrease defense equipment import greatly, so cheap second hand defense equipment import could be more preferred than a new and expensive ones.
Comparing F-5 freedom fighter vs eurotyphoon for lacking of BVR is a bad bad comparison. F-5 fighter is made in the 60s while euro typhoon is in the 90s. For such high price and so called modern jet to lack any BVR capabilities is a joke.

F-5 being cheap and older is totally understandable not to equipped with BVR.
 

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Austria Wants To Offload Its Unwanted Eurofighter Typhoons, Could this be an opportunity for PAF?
''The Swedish fighter had been judged more expensive than the Typhoon, but since then the defense ministry has called into question (1) the jet’s operating costs and (2) lack of certain critical capabilitiesincluding the PIRATE infrared sensor, a helmet-mounted display, and the EuroDASS self-defense suite. At the same time, the Austrian jets have no beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile and lack any air-to-ground capability."

PAF will not be interested to buying these aircraft with almost no capability of 4 gen aircraft.
 

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Typhoon is supposed to replace Tornado. Tornado and F-16 are same generation. Typhoon and F-35 are same generation.
In which world Tornado and F16 is of same generation? F16 has same or better avionics that Typhoon. Current typhoon doesn't even have AESA radar and uses a pulse Doppler radar. F35 is not even comparable to any of the jet you mentioned it being a 5th gen fighter jet. Your entire logic is confusing.
 

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In which world Tornado and F16 is of same generation? F16 has same or better avionics that Typhoon. Current typhoon doesn't even have AESA radar and uses a pulse Doppler radar. F35 is not even comparable to any of the jet you mentioned it being a 5th gen fighter jet. Your entire logic is confusing.
Nope. Tornado and F-16 are 1970s planes. Typhoon and F-35 are same generation.
 

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